Fake 1894 Morgan in fake PCGS slab on Ebay - nuked!!! Thanks everyone!

mbogoman · July 10, 2011 7:37AM

The font on this one caught my eye first, then I saw it is a one day auction (red flags!!!). Cert lookup on PCGS had a link to the Heritage Long Beach auction last Feb. The seller's coin ain't even close to the real AU55. Whether the coin is authentic or not is moot - the slab is fake and needs to be called out. Anyway, I've reported it to Ebay. Since it is a one day auction, it would help if more reported it so that it gets pulled before anyone loses $$$

Ebay link to fake PCGS 1894 Morgan

Here's the real one on Heritage:
Real 1894 AU55 on Heritage

LindeDad · July 10, 2011 7:53AM

For some reason I do not see the slab image.

derryb · July 10, 2011 7:56AM

Reported to ebay but the 24 hr sale is a smart move by the seller. Ebay is slow to respond to reports.

HOWEVER, my contact at paypal fraud dept. is working tonight. Let's see if he can kill it in time.

Here's ebay's simple coin reporting link for those that don't have it. SAVE IT!

coirn · July 10, 2011 8:02AM

<< For some reason I do not see the slab image.

>>

Your browser is probably set to not show counterfeits.

mbogoman · July 10, 2011 8:04AM

<< For some reason I do not see the slab image. >>

Which slab image? Both links work for me. You may need to be signed in at Heritage. The Ebay item number is: 250853196197

cheezhed · July 10, 2011 8:09AM

Reported

morgansforever · July 10, 2011 8:23AM

Heritage pic, distictive hit on the cheek.

Sellers pic.

Close up of obverse, where's the hit on the cheek?

EDIT: Font looks funny too. Where are the PCGS brass?
HRH you should be all over this.

morgansforever · July 10, 2011 8:31AM

Anyone belong to Heritage, that could supply a larger pic?
The best I could do without making it blurry.

LindeDad · July 10, 2011 8:32AM

I could not get the eBay slab image to show anything but the thumbnail. I reported it for not haveing front and back images of the slab.
No problem at Heritage I am a member there.

Super size.

JCMhouston · July 10, 2011 8:33AM

<< Where are the PCGS brass? >>

Well, it is Sunday afternoon, maybe everyone doesn't work 24/7?

MsMorrisine · July 10, 2011 8:39AM

they are getting better at faking the label.

morgansforever · July 10, 2011 8:39AM

That's a large image allright. A bit smaller, clearly not the same coin, Heritage pic.
Thanks LindeDad, for the larger pic.

Sellers pic.

DennisH · July 10, 2011 8:43AM

Reported.

mbogoman · July 10, 2011 8:44AM

The "coin" in the seller's pics isn't even close to an AU. That was another tip-off. It looks more like a VF30 or 35 maybe, shiny, but certainly not an AU55 (unless it was a very, very, VERY weak strike!)

morgansforever · July 10, 2011 8:51AM

Even if it was Monday 9 a.m what can HRH do? He is not in law enforcement or secret service that I aware of, he can't do much more than you (if anything).

Forget it, I reported it. I was just thinking out loud.

sweetwilliet · July 10, 2011 8:55AM

<< For some reason I do not see the slab image.

>>

I'm having the same issue, I can see the other two.

morgansforever · July 10, 2011 8:58AM

No problems viewing the slab here.
Could it be a real 1894 in a fake slab?
Or a fake coin in a fake slab?

mbogoman · July 10, 2011 8:59AM

I did some poking around in the seller's feedback history. He has no selling feedback - just buying. And he has purchased a number of items from across the Pacific...hmmmm....I'm just saying...

morgansforever · July 10, 2011 9:03AM

All we can do is send multiple reports to Ebay.
I reported it and included the url to the Heritage pic.
If your in this thread report it!

EDIT: Asked the seller if he could supply a reverse pic of the slab.

crypto79 · July 10, 2011 9:50AM

Look at the hair around the ear, it is not struck like a P mint coin and is a great place to look for signs of a fake as these is often not brought up.

morgansforever · July 10, 2011 9:55AM

<<Look at the hair around the ear, it is not struck like a P mint coin and is a great place to look for signs of a fake as these is often not brought up. >>

Good point, but it's not stopping the bidding, already at $102 in the first 3 hours.
Please report it, save the hobby, one scummy auction at a time.

LindeDad · July 10, 2011 9:59AM

Kaaboom it's gone great work to all.

morgansforever · July 10, 2011 10:02AM

Another nuking brought to you by the CU police.
Proud to say I've been a part of three nukings in the last 2 weeks.

cheezhed · July 10, 2011 10:19AM

MC015 Security notice: eBay listing removed

mbogoman · July 10, 2011 10:55AM

<< Kaaboom it's gone great work to all. >>

<< MC015 Security notice: eBay listing removed >>

Yeehaw!!! You're welcome! Thanks to everyone who answered the call. That was pretty fast. Glad I spotted it and got the ball rolling. These crooks stink!

BigRick · July 10, 2011 11:02AM

Hello

We're writing to let you know that this listing for an item you won or bid on is no longer available:

250853196197 - 1894-P Morgan Dollar PCGS AU-55

We understand this may be disappointing, but occasionally we need to remove listings. In some cases, the item itself is fine, but was listed in a way that didn't follow eBay's guidelines.

Here's what you can do next:

-- If you already paid, received your item, and you're satisfied, please disregard this notice.
-- If you won the item but haven't paid, don't pay. Since eBay removed the listing, you're no longer obligated to go through with the transaction.
-- If you already paid for this item through eBay, and it's past the estimated delivery time, you can open a case in our Resolution Center. Click the link below, and select the "I haven't received it yet" option. This will guide you through the process of opening a case.
http://resolutioncenter.ebay.com

If the seller offers you the item outside of eBay, we strongly discourage you from accepting the offer. These types of transactions are extremely risky and aren't covered by eBay buyer protection programs.

If you didn't pay through eBay or PayPal, and:
-- You paid by Western Union or MoneyGram, contact the company directly (Western Union 800-325-6000 or MoneyGram 800-926-9400).
-- You paid by check, contact your bank to stop payment.

Thanks,

eBay

To learn more about eBay Buyer Protection, please visit:
http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/buyer-protection.html

H12534

HKstrongside · July 10, 2011 11:42AM

Nice work!

mbogoman · July 12, 2011 12:57AM

I know it won't keep him away forever, but chalk up one for the good guys - just received this email from Ebay:

<< Dear XXXXX,

Thanks for reporting this listing to us. I understand your concern over this listing. I investigated this listing and confirmed that it has been ended and removed from the site and the seller suspended.

Again, thank you for your report. We appreciate your help in keeping eBay a safe and reputable forum to conduct business. Have a great day and thanks for using eBay.

Sincerely, Judith eBay Customer Support >>

LanceNewmanOCC · July 12, 2011 2:25AM

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well done everyone

i have bookmarked the ebay report item link

having reported dozens of listings, this will come in most handy

it is really really sad to see these scammers work 2x as hard for 1/2 as much than if they were to do things honestly and get 2x for 1/2 the work

fear is the strangest of all things

johnny9434 · July 12, 2011 4:27AM

the item is long gone as of 2:25 eastern time

Frankcoins · July 12, 2011 12:20PM

I reported it, and got this reply...Guess they sent the wrong canned response...

Dear eBay Member,

Thank you for writing eBay to report this potentially violating listing
to us.

I have thoroughly investigated your report, and have confirmed that the
item is not in violation of our raw and uncertified coins policies. As
such, no action has been taken on the item.

This listing is for a Pre-sale item that has only been recently
released. Our current policies permit sellers to sell items such as this
that may have been purchased, but not yet released from the mint. As
sellers cannot show an image of a coin they haven't yet received, they
are not required to show an actual picture of the coin. This policy
exception only applies to the small window where sellers are able to
pre-purchase coins that the mint has not yet made yet.

If you happen to see any listings you may feel violate our Coins and
Currency policies, we encourage you to report them via the Report Item
link in the listing. This ensures that we can get the reports to the
most appropriate department in a timely manner.

Please see the following page for eBay's policies regarding the sale of
coins:
http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/selling-coins.html

Thanks again for your report.

Sincerely,

Derek B.
eBay Customer Support

Fake 1894 Morgan in fake PCGS slab on Ebay - nuked!!! Thanks everyone!

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