Is this one and the same coin ?

JamesMurray · July 9, 2011 3:03AM

Bear in mind my photography skills ( lower coin ) suck. Thanks

AUandAG · July 9, 2011 3:06AM

No, I don't believe they are the same coin.

bob

JamesMurray · July 9, 2011 3:09AM

Thanks Bob , i was afraid of this , bait and switch...

MrSpud · July 9, 2011 3:13AM

Doesn't look the same, but it may just be the harsh lighting in the first picture making them look different.

JamesMurray · July 9, 2011 3:17AM

Its that scar she has picked up below the corner of her eye , would harsh light completely hide that ? Theres that and in my pic on the reverse theres a little black dot at 6 o'clock but i can understand lighting hiding that. I really don't want the hassle but i don't want to get played either.

kerikow · July 9, 2011 3:20AM

nope

MrSpud · July 9, 2011 3:22AM

I'm not sure, but I have played around with lighting and also creative photo editing and you can cover up blemishes with both lighting and editing. I think they are different coins, but wouldn't have been surprised if you waited until a bunch of people responded they are different and then you revealed that it was the same coin taken with different lighting with a little creative editing.

Either way, perhaps the seller would just accept a return if you simply stated that you aren't satisfied with the coin now that you have it in hand.

fcloud · July 9, 2011 3:24AM

No.

It looks like a different mint mark location.

Rampage · July 9, 2011 3:24AM

The bottom coin is worth melt. The top one, a few dollars more.

Rampage · July 9, 2011 3:25AM

PS--No way is it the same coin in both images.

devious · July 9, 2011 3:27AM

Looking at the rim, they are by no means the same coin.

CaptHenway · July 9, 2011 3:28AM

Definitely not the same coin.
TD

JamesMurray · July 9, 2011 3:29AM

It's an Ebay purchase,bought in good faith as in the top photos which were the sellers. To me that shows an uncirculated coin with luster. My first glance at it coming out the envelope was that it's not the coin i paid for. The lower pics are mine shot this morning under sunlight.Without question what i have is a beautiful coin but the photos are showing me things the sellers didnt.
My aim is to upgrade our completed merc album where needed.I'll do as you suggest Mr S and leave it for a while to gather thoughts and opinions before commenting to the seller or leaving his feedback. I'm just disappointed is all , one look at the pics will tell you why. Thanks all

Zoins · July 9, 2011 3:30AM

Nope, check out the hits on the lower bands.

JamesMurray · July 9, 2011 3:32AM

<< The bottom coin is worth melt. The top one, a few dollars more. >>

Melt ? I don't know about that , regardless of it not being the same coin its still a full bands AU i reckon , it'll fetch a bit more than melt any day of the week .

Sonorandesertrat · July 9, 2011 3:33AM

<< No.

It looks like a different mint mark location. >>

Zoins · July 9, 2011 3:34AM

<< 

<< No.

It looks like a different mint mark location. >>

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Super obvious there!

JamesMurray · July 9, 2011 3:36AM

Gentlemen , thank you , the mintmark clinched it. ..heavy sigh .. i'm off to see about my money back , thank you all.

TomB · July 9, 2011 3:44AM

Different coins. I agree with the previous statement that an AU with full bands is worth essentially melt. Also, you should attempt to get refunded for your return shipping as well as anything you paid to get the coin to you.

RB1026 · July 9, 2011 3:46AM

I have to agree with the majority and say that it isn't the same coin. Hopefully, it's an honest mistake and the seller will make good on it.

JamesMurray · July 9, 2011 3:57AM

Thanks everybody , i've messaged the seller and was right to the point.For all i know the seller is aware of the thread here as it's not a johnny come lately on the bay , seems to be an established seller. If he wasn't aware of the thread before he is now.It's not the most expensive Merc i know , i do think it a shame a seller is pulling this and apparantly been getting away with it up til now.Over 6000 feedbacks.

19Lyds · July 9, 2011 4:04AM

No. You did NOT receive the coin pictured in the eBay listing. Return it and leave the appropriate feedback.

Then continue looking.

JamesMurray · July 9, 2011 5:00AM

Hi guys , the listing and receipt i have is for a BU FSB , it's a real headscratcher now as i looked the seller up on toolhaus , almost 12,000 feedback and not one single neg or nuetral , member since 03. I'm going to actually have to put credence into the earlier post suggesting a mix up of some kind.Maybe somewhere this morning somebody got a nicer dime than they expected...wasnt me though

keyman64 · July 9, 2011 5:06AM

not the same

Rampage · July 9, 2011 5:06AM

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<< The bottom coin is worth melt. The top one, a few dollars more. >>

Melt ? I don't know about that , regardless of it not being the same coin its still a full bands AU i reckon , it'll fetch a bit more than melt any day of the week . >>

Show me a coin collector/dealer who will pay you more than melt for that coin, regardless of full bands or not.

JamesMurray · July 9, 2011 5:24AM

By the same token , show FSB AU mercs for melt anywhere available to the public at the click of a mouse. Watch the mercs closing on the bay , you might be surprised.

RichieURich · July 9, 2011 5:59AM

Definitely not the same coin. On the 2nd coin, the bottom of the mintmark is parallel to the rim of the coin. On the 1st coin, the bottom of the mintmark is definitely NOT parallel to the rim. Therefore, different coins.

When you return the coin, indicate that it is a different coin, and tell the seller what you see that proves the coins are different. Don't just say "different coin". This should make the return easier for the seller to expect.

Good luck!

HKstrongside · July 9, 2011 6:27AM

Nope, I don't think it is the same. Bummer deal man.

jesbroken · July 9, 2011 6:46AM

I vote no due to the base of wing being more defined in the first photo and the second 4 touching the rim in the second photo but does not in the first, most remaining differences may or not be accounted for by lighting. JMO
Jim

JamesMurray · July 9, 2011 7:02AM

I honestly thought the mintmark had swung it , first my pic with a celstron :

Best i can do with ebay pic:

Im not as sure , wanting to be fair and square the pics are here , could it really all be down to lighting ? Point taken about other details , but still...

Zoins · July 9, 2011 7:04AM

Compare the bottom of the olive branch and where it meets the bottom of the fasces in both pictures.

Also compare shape of the D.

Russ · July 9, 2011 7:08AM

Not the same coin, and your images don't suck. In fact, they're better than the seller's images unless one prefers "pretty" over realistic.

Russ, NCNE

JamesMurray · July 9, 2011 7:11AM

The mm and first leaf or branch is very subdued in the ebay pic , giving the appearance of a gap almost.Its not as open and shut on the mm as i thought.It's looking similar to me but i know there are real merc experts chimed in and might again,i want to be as fair on the seller as i had expected of him.

MFH · July 9, 2011 7:11AM

<< 

<< 

<< No.

It looks like a different mint mark location. >>

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Super obvious there!

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... no way, Jose !!

Not the same coin ...

JamesMurray · July 9, 2011 7:13AM

<< Not the same coin, and your images don't suck. In fact, they're better than the seller's images unless one prefers "pretty" over realistic.

Russ, NCNE >>

Thanks Russ , i can't shake the feeling it's not either , i'll return it and be done , i wont ruin his feedback which is perfect but put it down to experience , photographing coins isnt easy. Thanks again one and all

chieftain1 · July 9, 2011 7:18AM

Not even close......bagmarks and mintmark locations differ.

roadrunner · July 9, 2011 8:14AM

1st coin is a nice looking choice or Gem BU.

2nd coin is a scuffy slider/AU.

roadrunner

JamesMurray · July 10, 2011 12:06AM

The seller issued a full refund and will fwd an sae for return of the coin without any qualms,thanks again everyone.

CaptHenway · July 10, 2011 1:30AM

Many crooks and cheats are quick to issue refunds to the percentage of people who catch them at their game, so that they will not complain about them by name.

JamesMurray · July 10, 2011 2:18AM

I agree with what your saying Capt , however there's nothing in his manner or history to indicate crooked dealings and an ebayer since 03 , I accepted the cause of the problem being his using a scanner and that'll be that.Lesson learned , not all that glitters etc ..i'll need to be more careful and understand what i'm looking at in future.

Is this one and the same coin ?

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