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Strange 1957-D Jeff - overstruck or clashed dies?

I found this nickel while searching some old rolls - can't figure what happened to it, but my hunch is that it was struck over a different coin. The effects are seen much better in hand with a loupe than I can photograph, but I will show my best efforts at imaging the coin.
Besides the dents in TJ's forehead & collar, the obverse has a convex surface between the motto and the portrait on both sides, and evidence of some marks in Jeff's flattened hair. The reverse surface is really uneven, with both convex & concave areas, and what looks like a small 'p' between the pillars on the right side. What appears to be a doubled mm is actually part of the die error.
Are there any documented die errors for '57-D nickels? I plan on submitting the coin for verification - it will be interesting to see what they make of it.
Any guesses/opinions/knowledge is appreciated! Here are the best photos I could take so far -
obverse 1
obverse 2
obverse 3

reverse 1
reverse 2


Thanks!
Chuck
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    Cam40Cam40 Posts: 8,146
    just looks like a late die state jeffy to me

    image
    also your red background throws off the color of the coin.
    try a blue/purplish background and see if that doesnt improve your shots
    color wise anyway..
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    gonzergonzer Posts: 3,084 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>just looks like a late die state jeffy to me >>



    I will gladly concur.
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    A lotta people aren't familiar with the odd things that happen when you overuse a die and strike the coin weakly.

    BU nickels from the late '50's into the '60's are some interesting things to check out, haha.
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    golddustingolddustin Posts: 838 ✭✭
    Yeah, that makes sense, since the planchets are so hard, I guess the dies do wear out quicker and can cause some issues....I've just never seen anything quite like this one.
    I will take you up on the suggestion to use purple background, and maybe add artificial lighting, since it tends to expose all the little marks that don't show in natural light.
    There just seems to be too many suspicious marks - although the late die state could explain the areas of 'wavy' grain texture in some of the recessed areas....definitely no metal flow on this coin!

    Thanks.
    Don't you know that it's worth
    every treasure on Earth
    to be young at heart?
    And as rich as you are,
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    19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,503 ✭✭✭✭
    image
    I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.



    The name is LEE!
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    golddustingolddustin Posts: 838 ✭✭
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    That last pic is just too cool! That's what I'm talkin' 'bout! Only on the coin that I have, that only shows up in certain areas, not all over the surface.
    I took some more pictures using a darker background, a couple different white balances, and artificial lighting. The first two photos are very good images of what the coin looks like. The others show a bit more detail - it looks like there might be some small letters in the right obverse field? There are other odd elements, like the triple rim on the reverse that still make me wonder...

    obv #1
    rev #1
    obv #2
    rev #2
    obv #3
    rev #3

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    johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 32,824 ✭✭✭✭✭
    interesting coin image nice pick up
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    FredWeinbergFredWeinberg Posts: 6,029 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It's struck from a well-worn die,
    or sometimes called an overused die.

    A very common effect in this period,
    thru the mid-60's.
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    golddustingolddustin Posts: 838 ✭✭
    OK - I guess I'm getting convinced. (Thanks, Fred!) Do worn dies result not only in the rippling effect as shown in the photos, but also the appearance of areas that look like other die elements struck into the coin - like the rectangular areas in both 19Lyds & my coins? Are those from little bits of metal that have protruded or fallen into the dies that leave the unusual marks?
    How about what appears to be a 'T' in the field to the right of Jefferson - just a coincidence?

    You can tell I'm still not 100% convinced, but then again, I'm not a specialist in errors nor Jeffs.

    It's a neat coin - I'll probably hold onto it anyway.
    Don't you know that it's worth
    every treasure on Earth
    to be young at heart?
    And as rich as you are,
    it's much better by far,
    to be young at heart!

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