<< <i> However, when Wayne sent them in to PCGS to be reslabbed, he specifically had them go through the "sniffer" just to make sure that they weren't AT. >>
Surely, Sy, a man with your background does not actually believe that the sniffer can detect AT!
As has been opined repeatedly on the forums, the most common type of AT (exposure to various sulfur containing materials in the presence of various combinations of heat, oxygen, and water) would very likely be chemically indistinguishable from NT.
That being said, I have no idea whether these coins are the real deal or not. They are, however, unquestionably cool!
While they're tremendously cool looking, it seems pretty obvious that these are AT ... odd that so many here believe them to be otherwise. There's a reason why you've never seen anything like them. Not meant to bash...just the opinion of someone that has, like many here, seen thousands of toners over the past 15 years.
Wow, I don't normally liked toned coins. To me it is not "as it left the mint" so I normally say "blech" but those two Franklins are swaying me. They are fantastic looking. I like that the toning still allows you to see the surfaces well. I find often that toning gets in the way when I try to grade, but not these two. Once again, fantastic and congratulations on sinking the two point upgrade.
<< <i>While they're tremendously cool looking, it seems pretty obvious that these are AT ... odd that so many here believe them to be otherwise. There's a reason why you've never seen anything like them. Not meant to bash...just the opinion of someone that has, like many here, seen thousands of toners over the past 15 years. >>
First off SeattleSlammer when was it you saw these coins? Or are you saying that you saw the images of these two Frankies and are making your conclusion that they are AT by simply viewing an image? Just for the record i have seen them and they are both 100% natural... So is it what you are really saying that PCGS doesn`t know what they are doing and their new technology for detecting AT and altered coins doesn`t work? I for one believe that it works VERY well and they are real pros for evaluating the results.
Now PawPaul... I for one resent you trashing my coins and my thread... I have never done that to you and never would... Instead on more then one occasion i have complimented your stuff... One thing that you should definitely know is that since these two Frankies bother you so much you`ll never have to worry about ever seeing them in your hands... Not that you would want to anyhoo!
As for the guys and gals that have supported and complimented this thread I thank you and apologize for ever posting this thread...
I am definitely not a Franklin expert...Never claimed to be but i do know naturally toned end roll coins and others. I do know one person on here(SkyMan) that you left off your list this time that i consider to be THE Franklin specialist on here... Bottom line is you are wrong when it comes to your evaluation of these two and forgot that you only have the true NT ones...In your opinion but who knew... But in reality your toes must hurt! But then again maybe not...
Thanks for that bstclser...You`re a buddy! And you most definitely know your toners! Thanks as well illini...I love them and they were exactly what i had been looking for... TD i always value and very much respect your opinions and oh MA! Guys have no idea since i have acquired these two the offers i have had... And best thing is they are mine and will be staying that way...
<< <i>I hate Frankies,BUT,i believe these coins are NT,and they definitely have all the proper looks of endrollers,and they are GORGEOUS.jmho >>
There are other end rollers that look like these? I'd love to see them! I'm not making a judgment one way or the other on AT/NT, but I haven't seen any other Frankies like these so I'm curious to see what you're talking about.
...I brought the sister thread to the top regarding these coins .............
it's the least I could do ;
here's an excerpt from that thread " I Got your Rainbow Franklins Right Here "
Wednesday March 30, 2011 3:15 PM (NEW!) ............ a natural level for the MS 66 piece , with fierce bidding and multiple folks wanting the coin ....... would possibly break the 2000$ barrier . The coin has a pop. of over 600 , and although the date is really scarce with magnificent toning it is no where near the territory of say the MS 66+ super toned PCGS 1951-D I had to work very hard to get 3 grand for , and not even close to the league the 49-D plays in with the best , prettiest , pieces money can buy in PCGS MS 65 FBL holders bringing 2 to 3 thousand dollars . No , I put it to you that Franklin specialists are the ones that lay out a few thousand dollars for individual coins , and they do that only when they know the coin is something very , very special . The like's of Ronyahski, Skyman, Madmonk , Rainbowroosie, Sumorada, SeattleSlammer, Bear, Dragon, Pontiacinf, etc, etc had some problems with the coin ; as did nearly every other knowledgeable Franklin enthusiast .and I surely don't have to spell out why ! Folks like the one's named above have a tremendous amount of experience and knowledge ....... They are some of top toned coin people in the world Jack : you can take their combined opinions and engrave it in granite - that's how much weight their words carry. So that would leave folks that got money to burn and limited practical knowledge of the series left to bid , and I say no way in heck did that coin achieve the 4000$ level with those type of bidders ..not without some kind of hocus pokus
Very colorful coins. I looked at the other thread of PP's and noticed something strange on the first coin posted. If you look carefully, you will see a straight line through the center of the coin from top to bottom from the E in liberty to the E in we, as if something with a straight edge was laying against the coin. If the coin was an end of roll toner, would'nt the straight line edge of the paper be a lot less than halfway?
<< <i>...I brought the sister thread to the top regarding these coins .............
it's the least I could do ;
here's an excerpt from that thread " I Got your Rainbow Franklins Right Here "
Wednesday March 30, 2011 3:15 PM (NEW!) ............ a natural level for the MS 66 piece , with fierce bidding and multiple folks wanting the coin ....... would possibly break the 2000$ barrier . The coin has a pop. of over 600 , and although the date is really scarce with magnificent toning it is no where near the territory of say the MS 66+ super toned PCGS 1951-D I had to work very hard to get 3 grand for , and not even close to the league the 49-D plays in with the best , prettiest , pieces money can buy in PCGS MS 65 FBL holders bringing 2 to 3 thousand dollars . No , I put it to you that Franklin specialists are the ones that lay out a few thousand dollars for individual coins , and they do that only when they know the coin is something very , very special . The like's of Ronyahski, Skyman, Madmonk , Rainbowroosie, Sumorada, SeattleSlammer, Bear, Dragon, Pontiacinf, etc, etc had some problems with the coin ; as did nearly every other knowledgeable Franklin enthusiast .and I surely don't have to spell out why ! Folks like the one's named above have a tremendous amount of experience and knowledge ....... They are some of top toned coin people in the world Jack : you can take their combined opinions and engrave it in granite - that's how much weight their words carry. So that would leave folks that got money to burn and limited practical knowledge of the series left to bid , and I say no way in heck did that coin achieve the 4000$ level with those type of bidders ..not without some kind of hocus pokus >>
That`s so kind of you Paw.Paul.! Since that was the least you could do what i find very interesting about the sister thread was your bashing of the coins never started until the auction was over? Could it really have been you were the under bidder and that`s why you are riding the jealousy express?
<< <i>If the coin was an end of roll toner, would'nt the straight line edge of the paper be a lot less than halfway? >>
Maybe from a roll of the type that "folded closed" as opposed to the "crimped closed"? >>
"georgiacop50" That`s a close idea to what we think is how these amazing Frankies toned... But we actually have another thought on it and something i had discussed in great detail with someone that i trust and has seen and sold many toned coins of all sorts in the past...I wanted to understand how that particular pattern could have occurred well before i laid out my hard earned dollars as they are slightly different then your typical folded end rollers...For starters the colors on both Frankies are exactly correct for naturally toned silver coins... Next thing is our thoughts on the pattern is this... Take a piece of tissue paper crumple it up and push it onto the surface of a dusty table and see what type of pattern is left in the dust... What maybe and i do say maybe was that these two Frankies were stored for many years in tubes with tissue paper crumpled in the ends to prevent them from sliding back a forth and it is that contact with the tissue paper that contributed to the amazing pattern and colors that these Frankies ended up with... It`s just a idea and guess one we`ll never know for sure except the person who had these coins stored...One thing for certain is if you look very close at both coins is the proper everything to the toning including the subtle progression of colors around in a circular pattern around the few blemishes that both coins possess...And also the different elevations and depressions of the colors as it is on the surfaces...I say again everything looks correct to me and i believe that`s exactly why PCGS has stood behind them... I know that there will be those that will never believe any of this and that`s fine and their opinion... But bottom line is i really dig both coins they are both now in PCGS secure plus holders...They have both been sniffed and evaluated and i received a 2 grade bump up on the one and couldn`t be any happier with them... I will probably never again purchase any Frankies but who knows...
not sur if they are NT or not as i am no expert but i like the color on them and as long as they are in pcgs slabs that realy all that matters ...and that u are happy with them it shouldnt matter what anyone says .....
<< <i>not sur if they are NT or not as i am no expert but i like the color on them and as long as they are in pcgs slabs that realy all that matters ...and that u are happy with them it shouldnt matter what anyone says .....
<< <i>If the coin was an end of roll toner, would'nt the straight line edge of the paper be a lot less than halfway? >>
Maybe from a roll of the type that "folded closed" as opposed to the "crimped closed"? >>
"georgiacop50" That`s a close idea to what we think is how these amazing Frankies toned... But we actually have another thought on it and something i had discussed in great detail with someone that i trust and has seen and sold many toned coins of all sorts in the past...I wanted to understand how that particular pattern could have occurred well before i laid out my hard earned dollars as they are slightly different then your typical folded end rollers...For starters the colors on both Frankies are exactly correct for naturally toned silver coins... Next thing is our thoughts on the pattern is this... Take a piece of tissue paper crumple it up and push it onto the surface of a dusty table and see what type of pattern is left in the dust... What maybe and i do say maybe was that these two Frankies were stored for many years in tubes with tissue paper crumpled in the ends to prevent them from sliding back a forth and it is that contact with the tissue paper that contributed to the amazing pattern and colors that these Frankies ended up with... It`s just a idea and guess one we`ll never know for sure except the person who had these coins stored...One thing for certain is if you look very close at both coins is the proper everything to the toning including the subtle progression of colors around in a circular pattern around the few blemishes that both coins possess...And also the different elevations and depressions of the colors as it is on the surfaces...I say again everything looks correct to me and i believe that`s exactly why PCGS has stood behind them... I know that there will be those that will never believe any of this and that`s fine and their opinion... But bottom line is i really dig both coins they are both now in PCGS secure plus holders...They have both been sniffed and evaluated and i received a 2 grade bump up on the one and couldn`t be any happier with them... I will probably never again purchase any Frankies but who knows...
AB >>
All it takes is to own just one gorgeous franklin toner and they will multiply like roaches in your collection lol. For the coins in this thread, as long as you love them that's all that matters.
All it takes is to own just one gorgeous franklin toner and they will multiply like roaches in your collection lol. For the coins in this thread, as long as you love them that's all that matters.
Thanks for that djdilliondon... But i already have my hands quite full with my other series but can see where guys can love the Franks!
<< While they're tremendously cool looking, it seems pretty obvious that these are AT ... odd that so many here believe them to be otherwise. There's a reason why you've never seen anything like them. Not meant to bash...just the opinion of someone that has, like many here, seen thousands of toners over the past 15 years. >>
First off SeattleSlammer when was it you saw these coins? Or are you saying that you saw the images of these two Frankies and are making your conclusion that they are AT by simply viewing an image? Just for the record i have seen them and they are both 100% natural... So is it what you are really saying that PCGS doesn`t know what they are doing and their new technology for detecting AT and altered coins doesn`t work? I for one believe that it works VERY well and they are real pros for evaluating the results.
Yes, I have only seen pics of the coins. And since they appear to be professionally executed pics, I'm making my conclusion that they are AT by simply viewing the images. Isn't that what we do here day after day on this forum? I assumed that you wanted all opinions on the coins, not just those that agree with your assessment. Of course I think that PCGS knows their stuff--but has been proven here in the past, they also miss some obvious ones once in a while just like all humans do.
They don't look like normal end rolls to me, nor are they from mint sets. I could possibly imagine that happening from coins in a plastic tube with a piece of tissue paper wadded up at the end to keep the coins tight. Otherwise, while cool they are a bit, um, unusual for the date.
SeattleSlammer... Thanks for that and i do value your opinion...I know for a fact you`re a good guy i am home with a nasty flu and was just in a huff... Have an awesome weekend and thanks for the response...
<< <i>They don't look like normal end rolls to me, nor are they from mint sets. I could possibly imagine that happening from coins in a plastic tube with a piece of tissue paper wadded up at the end to keep the coins tight. Otherwise, while cool they are a bit, um, unusual for the date. >>
Tonelover i am not a big Frankie guy so i am not familiar with the dates and which of those normal tone and in what degree... I did see posted on here a couple of stunning 63`s that have a similar toning... And no doubt i listen to what SkyMan had said it is unusual for 56`s to have some wild toning such as these... I do however think i really lucked out and ended up with a couple of unique NT coins... Thanks Tonelover and happy collecting!
I'm liking the tissue paper theory. Very plausible.
There was a roll of 1954-S Franklins auctioned in the early 1980's (Bowers & Rudy?) for $20,000 that contained 20 mostly fabulously toned coins. They have a distinct look that, like these two 56's, share characteristics of mint set toning, yet are different.
The auction lot description for the roll of 54-S's did not make mention of it, but I have heard that each of the 20 coins was individually wrapped in tissue before storage.
Anybody else here remember that roll/auction? $20,000 for a roll of Franklins!
Sounds crazy even by todays toner crazy standards, but like Steve Tyler says, they were "Beautiful, man! Just beautiful!"
<< <i>was your bashing of the coins never started until the auction was over?
A.B .............. heavens to Betsy man ; telling the naive that a really cool pair of PCGS Rainbow Franklins are not what they appear to be
is not
what I feel is bashing .
............i'm telling you that what any of us think is of minor importance compared to the written word's of " THEM"
..........them being "those" that have a tremendous amount of combined knowledge ...................
it's "them" that have a problem with the toning ...........not us puny , needle brained nim wit's
I will give you that you are probably right though
........... "those" fellers all got together and conspired to get those two babies for themselves !!!!!!!!!
But you outsmarted the whole lot and for a mere 5 grand and change ; you won the bidding
Bravo ...........Bravo ; take your well earned bow >>
PawPaul...What ever that all means? Obviously you are way smarter then i ever hope to be...You are definitely the man and only you and a select few have the highest quality naturally toned Frankies which should only be the ones that bring the premium prices... When you speak of "us puny, needle brained nim wit`s" consider me not in that same bath tub... As well as when you speak of the naive just perhaps those roles are reversed... Just perhaps... Finally and the last i will post to MY disaster of a thread... I never sought to take a bow and was not my intention but did want to show off what i consider to be among the finest naturally toned Frankies i have ever seen...
<< <i>There are other end rollers that look like these? ... >>
I have seen some Morgan dollars with EXACTLY the look of the Franklins in question. >>
Do you have, or can you point to, any pics? I've seen a number of Morgan end rollers but they don't have the same look of these. I'd like to see what you are referring to.
Also, I'm guessing many people are like me and haven't seen any other Frankies like these. I think that's part of what makes the coins special along with the PCGS endorsement via Secure Plus and TrueView. Are there any pics of the 63s with similar toning that were mentioned above?
I'd like to own these, but not at the premiums paid. I'd find myself able to put down the LSD-25 vials and to start just dropping some frankies. *grin*
Nice coins. I don't know the whole NT AT debate with this kind of toning, but regardless, I'd be happy owning them. They're "FAR OUT!"
. I never sought to take a bow and was not my intention but did want to show off what i consider to be among the finest naturally toned Frankies i have ever seen..
...........ah soo ;
IF the coins were naturally toned - then yes, they would be among the finest anyone has ever seen
Comments
as almost missed this thread !
I was baffled myself as looking at the two different coins - one 64 and one 66 ;
I sure did not see two grade points between the two ........
I will however state as pretty as they are ............ I do not think the color is the real deal ;
but again : thats my problem
<< <i> However, when Wayne sent them in to PCGS to be reslabbed, he specifically had them go through the "sniffer" just to make sure that they weren't AT. >>
Surely, Sy, a man with your background does not actually believe that the sniffer can detect AT!
As has been opined repeatedly on the forums, the most common type of AT (exposure to various sulfur containing materials in the presence of various combinations of heat, oxygen, and water) would very likely be chemically indistinguishable from NT.
That being said, I have no idea whether these coins are the real deal or not. They are, however, unquestionably cool!
While they're tremendously cool looking, it seems pretty obvious that these are AT ... odd that so many here believe them to be otherwise
i recommend if in doubt ; read and re-read the above statement over and over again - until it sinks in ..............
<< <i>While they're tremendously cool looking, it seems pretty obvious that these are AT ... odd that so many here believe them to be otherwise. There's a reason why you've never seen anything like them. Not meant to bash...just the opinion of someone that has, like many here, seen thousands of toners over the past 15 years.
First off SeattleSlammer when was it you saw these coins? Or are you saying that you saw the images of these two Frankies and are making your conclusion that they are AT by simply viewing an image? Just for the record i have seen them and they are both 100% natural... So is it what you are really saying that PCGS doesn`t know what they are doing and their new technology for detecting AT and altered coins doesn`t work? I for one believe that it works VERY well and they are real pros for evaluating the results.
Now PawPaul... I for one resent you trashing my coins and my thread... I have never done that to you and never would... Instead on more then one occasion i have complimented your stuff... One thing that you should definitely know is that since these two Frankies bother you so much you`ll never have to worry about ever seeing them in your hands... Not that you would want to anyhoo!
As for the guys and gals that have supported and complimented this thread I thank you and apologize for ever posting this thread...
AB
forgive me if you feel I have stepped on your toes .............
You are a Franklin specialist of the caliber of Ronyahski ? Madmonk ? Bushmaster ? myself?
the coins are exquisite - you need not defend them to anyone ;
.................but as hard as it may be to swallow -
that is not N.T
AB
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<< <i>In the grading room, there's no such thing as AT or NT ... only MA or non MA. >>
But, if you scream in the grading room, does anyone really hear you?
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
Thanks as well illini...I love them and they were exactly what i had been looking for...
TD i always value and very much respect your opinions and oh MA! Guys have no idea since i have acquired these two the offers i have had...
AB
<< <i>I hate Frankies,BUT,i believe these coins are NT,and they definitely have all the proper looks of endrollers,and they are GORGEOUS.jmho
There are other end rollers that look like these? I'd love to see them! I'm not making a judgment one way or the other on AT/NT, but I haven't seen any other Frankies like these so I'm curious to see what you're talking about.
<< <i>In the grading room, there's no such thing as AT or NT ... only MA or non MA. >>
I'm guessing there's AT in the guarantee office
it make's no difference to me
They are straight from pristine , virgin bank wrapped rolls........... as original and naturally toned as a sunset over the Grand Canyon
it's the least I could do ;
here's an excerpt from that thread " I Got your Rainbow Franklins Right Here "
Wednesday March 30, 2011 3:15 PM (NEW!) ............ a natural level for the MS 66 piece , with fierce bidding and multiple folks wanting the coin ....... would possibly break the 2000$ barrier . The coin has a pop. of over 600 , and although the date is really scarce with magnificent toning it is no where near the territory of say the MS 66+ super toned PCGS 1951-D I had to work very hard to get 3 grand for , and not even close to the league the 49-D plays in with the best , prettiest , pieces money can buy in PCGS MS 65 FBL holders bringing 2 to 3 thousand dollars . No , I put it to you that Franklin specialists are the ones that lay out a few thousand dollars for individual coins , and they do that only when they know the coin is something very , very special . The like's of Ronyahski, Skyman, Madmonk , Rainbowroosie, Sumorada, SeattleSlammer, Bear, Dragon, Pontiacinf, etc, etc had some problems with the coin ; as did nearly every other knowledgeable Franklin enthusiast .and I surely don't have to spell out why ! Folks like the one's named above have a tremendous amount of experience and knowledge ....... They are some of top toned coin people in the world Jack : you can take their combined opinions and engrave it in granite - that's how much weight their words carry. So that would leave folks that got money to burn and limited practical knowledge of the series left to bid , and I say no way in heck did that coin achieve the 4000$ level with those type of bidders ..not without some kind of hocus pokus
coin posted. If you look carefully, you will see a straight line through the center of the coin from top
to bottom from the E in liberty to the E in we, as if something with a straight edge was laying against
the coin. If the coin was an end of roll toner, would'nt the straight line edge of the paper be a lot less than halfway?
<< <i>If the coin was an end of roll toner, would'nt the straight line edge of the paper be a lot less than halfway? >>
Maybe from a roll of the type that "folded closed" as opposed to the "crimped closed"?
it make's no difference to me
Paw.Paul. i can see that!
AB
<< <i>...I brought the sister thread to the top regarding these coins .............
it's the least I could do ;
here's an excerpt from that thread " I Got your Rainbow Franklins Right Here "
Wednesday March 30, 2011 3:15 PM (NEW!) ............ a natural level for the MS 66 piece , with fierce bidding and multiple folks wanting the coin ....... would possibly break the 2000$ barrier . The coin has a pop. of over 600 , and although the date is really scarce with magnificent toning it is no where near the territory of say the MS 66+ super toned PCGS 1951-D I had to work very hard to get 3 grand for , and not even close to the league the 49-D plays in with the best , prettiest , pieces money can buy in PCGS MS 65 FBL holders bringing 2 to 3 thousand dollars . No , I put it to you that Franklin specialists are the ones that lay out a few thousand dollars for individual coins , and they do that only when they know the coin is something very , very special . The like's of Ronyahski, Skyman, Madmonk , Rainbowroosie, Sumorada, SeattleSlammer, Bear, Dragon, Pontiacinf, etc, etc had some problems with the coin ; as did nearly every other knowledgeable Franklin enthusiast .and I surely don't have to spell out why ! Folks like the one's named above have a tremendous amount of experience and knowledge ....... They are some of top toned coin people in the world Jack : you can take their combined opinions and engrave it in granite - that's how much weight their words carry. So that would leave folks that got money to burn and limited practical knowledge of the series left to bid , and I say no way in heck did that coin achieve the 4000$ level with those type of bidders ..not without some kind of hocus pokus >>
That`s so kind of you Paw.Paul.! Since that was the least you could do what i find very interesting about the sister thread was your bashing of the coins never started until the auction was over? Could it really have been you were the under bidder and that`s why you are riding the jealousy express?
Not that i really care either...
AB
<< <i>
<< <i>If the coin was an end of roll toner, would'nt the straight line edge of the paper be a lot less than halfway? >>
Maybe from a roll of the type that "folded closed" as opposed to the "crimped closed"? >>
"georgiacop50" That`s a close idea to what we think is how these amazing Frankies toned... But we actually have another thought on it and something i had discussed in great detail with someone that i trust and has seen and sold many toned coins of all sorts in the past...I wanted to understand how that particular pattern could have occurred well before i laid out my hard earned dollars as they are slightly different then your typical folded end rollers...For starters the colors on both Frankies are exactly correct for naturally toned silver coins... Next thing is our thoughts on the pattern is this... Take a piece of tissue paper crumple it up and push it onto the surface of a dusty table and see what type of pattern is left in the dust...
I know that there will be those that will never believe any of this and that`s fine and their opinion... But bottom line is i really dig both coins they are both now in PCGS secure plus holders...They have both been sniffed and evaluated and i received a 2 grade bump up on the one and couldn`t be any happier with them... I will probably never again purchase any Frankies but who knows...
AB
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<< <i>not sur if they are NT or not as i am no expert but i like the color on them and as long as they are in pcgs slabs that realy all that matters ...and that u are happy with them it shouldnt matter what anyone says .....
Thanks indi...
AB
<< <i>
<< <i>
<< <i>If the coin was an end of roll toner, would'nt the straight line edge of the paper be a lot less than halfway? >>
Maybe from a roll of the type that "folded closed" as opposed to the "crimped closed"? >>
"georgiacop50" That`s a close idea to what we think is how these amazing Frankies toned... But we actually have another thought on it and something i had discussed in great detail with someone that i trust and has seen and sold many toned coins of all sorts in the past...I wanted to understand how that particular pattern could have occurred well before i laid out my hard earned dollars as they are slightly different then your typical folded end rollers...For starters the colors on both Frankies are exactly correct for naturally toned silver coins... Next thing is our thoughts on the pattern is this... Take a piece of tissue paper crumple it up and push it onto the surface of a dusty table and see what type of pattern is left in the dust...
I know that there will be those that will never believe any of this and that`s fine and their opinion... But bottom line is i really dig both coins they are both now in PCGS secure plus holders...They have both been sniffed and evaluated and i received a 2 grade bump up on the one and couldn`t be any happier with them... I will probably never again purchase any Frankies but who knows...
AB
All it takes is to own just one gorgeous franklin toner and they will multiply like roaches in your collection lol. For the coins in this thread, as long as you love them that's all that matters.
Thanks for that djdilliondon... But i already have my hands quite full with my other series but can see where guys can love the Franks!
AB
First off SeattleSlammer when was it you saw these coins? Or are you saying that you saw the images of these two Frankies and are making your conclusion that they are AT by simply viewing an image? Just for the record i have seen them and they are both 100% natural... So is it what you are really saying that PCGS doesn`t know what they are doing and their new technology for detecting AT and altered coins doesn`t work? I for one believe that it works VERY well and they are real pros for evaluating the results.
Yes, I have only seen pics of the coins. And since they appear to be professionally executed pics, I'm making my conclusion that they are AT by simply viewing the images. Isn't that what we do here day after day on this forum? I assumed that you wanted all opinions on the coins, not just those that agree with your assessment. Of course I think that PCGS knows their stuff--but has been proven here in the past, they also miss some obvious ones once in a while just like all humans do.
AB
<< <i>They don't look like normal end rolls to me, nor are they from mint sets. I could possibly imagine that happening from coins in a plastic tube with a piece of tissue paper wadded up at the end to keep the coins tight. Otherwise, while cool they are a bit, um, unusual for the date. >>
Tonelover i am not a big Frankie guy so i am not familiar with the dates and which of those normal tone and in what degree... I did see posted on here a couple of stunning 63`s that have a similar toning... And no doubt i listen to what SkyMan had said it is unusual for 56`s to have some wild toning such as these... I do however think i really lucked out and ended up with a couple of unique NT coins... Thanks Tonelover and happy collecting!
AB
A.B .............. heavens to Betsy man ; telling the naive that a really cool pair of PCGS Rainbow Franklins are not what they appear to be
is not
what I feel is bashing .
............i'm telling you that what any of us think is of minor importance compared to the written word's of " THEM"
..........them being "those" that have a tremendous amount of combined knowledge ...................
it's "them" that have a problem with the toning ...........not us puny , needle brained nim wit's
I will give you that you are probably right though
........... "those" fellers all got together and conspired to get those two babies for themselves !!!!!!!!!
But you outsmarted the whole lot and for a mere 5 grand and change ; you won the bidding
Bravo ...........Bravo ; take your well earned bow
There was a roll of 1954-S Franklins auctioned in the early 1980's (Bowers & Rudy?) for $20,000 that contained 20 mostly fabulously toned coins. They have a distinct look that, like these two 56's, share characteristics of mint set toning, yet are different.
The auction lot description for the roll of 54-S's did not make mention of it, but I have heard that each of the 20 coins was individually wrapped in tissue before storage.
Anybody else here remember that roll/auction? $20,000 for a roll of Franklins!
Sounds crazy even by todays toner crazy standards, but like Steve Tyler says, they were "Beautiful, man! Just beautiful!"
<< <i>was your bashing of the coins never started until the auction was over?
A.B .............. heavens to Betsy man ; telling the naive that a really cool pair of PCGS Rainbow Franklins are not what they appear to be
is not
what I feel is bashing .
............i'm telling you that what any of us think is of minor importance compared to the written word's of " THEM"
..........them being "those" that have a tremendous amount of combined knowledge ...................
it's "them" that have a problem with the toning ...........not us puny , needle brained nim wit's
I will give you that you are probably right though
........... "those" fellers all got together and conspired to get those two babies for themselves !!!!!!!!!
But you outsmarted the whole lot and for a mere 5 grand and change ; you won the bidding
Bravo ...........Bravo ; take your well earned bow >>
PawPaul...What ever that all means? Obviously you are way smarter then i ever hope to be...You are definitely the man and only you and a select few have the highest quality naturally toned Frankies which should only be the ones that bring the premium prices...
As well as when you speak of the naive just perhaps those roles are reversed... Just perhaps...
Finally and the last i will post to MY disaster of a thread... I never sought to take a bow and was not my intention but did want to show off what i consider to be among the finest naturally toned Frankies i have ever seen...
AB
I have seen some Morgan dollars with EXACTLY the look of the Franklins in question.
RMR: 'Wer, wenn ich schriee, hörte mich denn aus der Engel Ordnungen?'
CJ: 'No one!' [Ain't no angels in the coin biz]
I love'm both and would be proud to own them!
Those who take big risks (in this case dropping thousands on toners that may be questionable) can receive big rewards. Congrats AB.
"Got a flaming heart, can't get my fill"
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<< <i>There are other end rollers that look like these? ... >>
I have seen some Morgan dollars with EXACTLY the look of the Franklins in question. >>
Do you have, or can you point to, any pics? I've seen a number of Morgan end rollers but they don't have the same look of these. I'd like to see what you are referring to.
Also, I'm guessing many people are like me and haven't seen any other Frankies like these. I think that's part of what makes the coins special along with the PCGS endorsement via Secure Plus and TrueView. Are there any pics of the 63s with similar toning that were mentioned above?
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<< <i>WOW! You're old!
Me and the wife last week on holiday...Not feeling so old this day though...
AB
But next time try to have the picture taker hold the camera straight...because jiggling the camera made the building in the background appear tilted.
Nice coins. I don't know the whole NT AT debate with this kind of toning, but regardless, I'd be happy owning them. They're "FAR OUT!"
P.S. Whatever happened to the edit feature? I can't edit posts any longer, or the method to edit a post has changed. Help?
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<< <i>Looks like they went to the same clinic.
...........ah soo ;
IF the coins were naturally toned - then yes, they would be among the finest anyone has ever seen