EAC Convention and I cannot get a simple answer....

Coin Finder · May 9, 2011 12:26AM

When will the bourse be open for the public? No one seems to know. This convention which only happens once a year starts Wednesday. The EAC website has little information on it. Does anyone know? The only other response I have received is to pay 25 bucks to join and you will find out then....

MidLifeCrisis · May 9, 2011 12:46AM

Start Date : May 13, 2011
End Date : May 15, 2011
Time : 09:00 am to 03:00 pm

Email : bimgander@gmail.com (I recommend you send an email to confirm)
Location : Doubletree Hotel, 1000 NE Multnomah St. Portland, OR 97086

MidLifeCrisis · May 9, 2011 12:50AM

Quick follow-up:

The convention bourse is open from 9 a.m. to 5 p.m. May 13 and 14, and 9 a.m. to 3 p.m. May 15.

Article about the convention

ThePennyLady · May 9, 2011 1:09AM

Here is a detailed schedule of events at the EAC, as well as a listing of dealers and their table numbers:

Events at EAC, Portland, OR

Wednesday:

10:00 Security Room Opens

Thursday:

9:00-12:00 Grading Seminar Broadway/Weidler

11:00-5:00 Registration Main Lobby

1:30 Security Room Closes

1:30-5:00 Dealer set-up Exhibit Hall

5:00-7:00 Reception PacNW Ballroom

7:00-8:00 setup for Happenings

8:00-10:00 Happenings

Colonial Hawthorne
Half Cent Sellwood

Large Cent Morrison

JRCS Ross Island

Friday:

8:00-4:00 Registration Main Lobby

8:00-9:00 Dealer set-up Exhibit Hall

8:00-9:00 Exhibitor set-up Exhibit Hall

9:00-5:00 Bourse open to public Exhibit Hall

9:00-5:00 Exhibits open to public Exhibit Hall

9:00-5:00 Lot Viewing Exhibit Hall

11:00-5:00 Educational Seminars Willamette

6:00-11:00 Dinner & Educational Forum PacNW

Floor Plan, Meeting Rooms at

The Doubletree

SPECIAL EVENTS AT EAC 2011

WINE TOUR AND TASTING

Thursday May 12

Departing at 12:10 pm from Lloyd Center Doubletree

Returning by 4:45 pm to allow evening activity
participation

COLUMBIA RVER GORGE WATERFALL TRIP

Saturday May 14

Departing at 9:30 am from Lloyd Center Doubletree

Lasting for ~4+ hours

EAC Thanks the Generous Donors to the

Thursday Night Hospitality Reception

Saturday:

8:00-10:00 Board Meeting Broadway

8:00-4:00 Registration Main Lobby

8:00-5:00 Educational Seminars Willamette

8:00-9:00 Bourse open to dealers Exhibit Hall

9:00-5:00 Bourse open to public Exhibit Hall

9:00-5:00 Exhibits open to public Exhibit Hall

9:00-5:00 Lot Viewing Exhibit Hall

7:30-1:00 EAC Sale Willamette

Sunday:

9:00-10:00 EAC Annual Meeting Willamette

9:00-2:00 Registration Main Lobby

10:00-2:00 Bourse open to public Exhibit Hall

10:00-2:00 Exhibits open to public Exhibit Hall

2:00 Convention Ends

Exhibitors

Pierre Fricke A Large Cent Color Set

Steve Carr The Cents of 1830

Thomas Nielsen S-180 and the Ladies' Writing Desk

Thomas Nielsen Assembling A Choice Copper Type Set
on a Budget

Jim Ross Early Half Dollar Overdates

Dan Trollen 1794 NCs

Brad Higgins Terminal Die States and Cuds on
Draped Bust Half Dollars

Steve Tompkins Engraved Masonic Chapter Pennies on
US Large Cents

Steve Tompkins Engraved Love Tokens on Bust Coinage

The Portland Cent

Wendell Lutz Grading Some Lovely Scudzys

Jim McGuigan Mint Errors: Striking Process

Educational Seminars

Friday:

Noon Bob Fegaly Pricing Relationships in
United States Coinage

1PM Buell Ish Introduction to Forming a
New Jersey Type Collection

2PM Bob Hoge 1794: The Face of a 10

3PM Steve Tompkins Counterfeit Bust Coinage,
Contemporary and Modern

4PM Mark Borchardt Look What Happened in Ann
Arbor

The Educational Forum

7:00 –8:00 PM Alexander, Master of Marbles

8:00-9:00 An Evening with John Wright

Saturday:

8AM Colonial Coin Collectors Club Meeting

11AM Jack Robinson Update on CQR: The Latest

Noon Jim Matthews All Cracked Up and With
Pieces Falling Out

1PM John Kraljevich The Taste of Dogmeat:
Lewis and Clark in the
Pacific Northwest"

2PM Rob Matuska An Investigation of the
Causes of Planchet Errors

3PM Jerry Bobbe Copper HIPS: Who Is The
Real Perpetrator?"

4PM Jon Lusk Making Custom Printed Labels
for 2x2 Envelopes

See you next year in Rochester, NY!

Bourse Dealers and their Table Locations – Exhibit Hall

John Agre 60

Howard Barron 58-59

Babe Binette 58-59

Jack Beymer 7-9

Doug Bird 52-54

Del Bland 7-9

Jerry Bobbe 10-12

Boyz of '94 65

Mark Borckardt 32-33

David Consolo 73-74

John Dannereuther 78

John Dirnbauer 56

Dan Demeo 1-3

Steve Ellsworth 66-67

Sam Foose 32-33

Pierre Fricke 5

Revick Galstaun 29-30

Larry Gaye 10-12

Ira & Larry Goldberg 61-62

Bob Grellman 46-51

Richard Gross 10-12

Charmy Harker 75

Greg Hannigan 68-72

Heritage Auctions 32-33

Walt Husak 63-64

David Johnson 55

Brad Karoleff 5

Kyle Knapp 10-12

John Kraljevich 13

Barry Kurian 55

David Lisot 15

Jon Lusk 1-3

Nathan Markowitz 58

Chris McCawley 46-51

Jim McGuigan 4

Phil Moore 76

Jim Neiswinter 65

Bill Noyes 1-3

Mike Packard 58-59

Tom Reynolds 1-3

Jack Robinson 52-54

Sam Sloat Coins 77
Anthony Terranova 45

Dan Trollan 65

Tom Turissini 63-64

Jason Villareal 61-62

Kevin Vinton 77

March Wells 57

Rod Widok 6

Shawn Yancey 73-74

PerryHall · May 9, 2011 1:39AM

<< The only other response I have received is to pay 25 bucks to join and you will find out then.... >>

Wow! What a rude response.

Coin Finder · May 9, 2011 4:01AM

Thanks to all who respond, I think to promote copper more info like this would help.

Perry, I got an even ruder response from someone in person that is a EAC member, but I will not post it here.

Best, to all and thanks a million!!!

coindeuce · May 9, 2011 4:31AM

<< Thanks to all who respond, I think to promote copper more info like this would help.

Perry, I got an even ruder response from someone in person that is a EAC member, but I will not post it here.

Best, to all and thanks a million!!! >>

Ahhhh yes. Nothing like a copper snob. If you can make it to next year's convention in Buffalo, N.Y. I'll treat you to some Buffalo Wings. Make sure you bring a fire extinguisher with you.

Frankcoins · May 9, 2011 6:47AM

I don't know how many times I have heard a collector relate a story like this after talking to a "copper guy."

"How do I get prices and explanations for EAC grading?"

"Copper Quotes by Robinson"

"Is that online?"

"No, and it never will be. Printed copies only"

"Where can I buy one?"

"Can't. Out of print"

"So I guess there is no Kindle edition, either?"

"What???"

"When does the next print edition come out?"

"Whenever Jim gets around to it.. maybe 3 months, maybe 2 years"

quickwing · May 9, 2011 1:40PM

I found this on the first page of a google search-eac convention 2011
Coin World Article

Even though the event is not private most of the information about the convention is made available to EAC members. The auction is for EAC members only. For the past several years invitations and information on the annual convention has also gone out to the John Reich Society. Most EAC members enjoy bringing newcomers into the fold, but there are some that don't welcome new competition on coins they want.

Frank- Jack is hoping to get the next CQR out in the next couple of months.

Frankcoins · May 9, 2011 6:52PM

<< Frank- Jack is hoping to get the next CQR out in the next couple of months. >>

I remember a auction catalog a few years back where one of the EAC people had been hired to do the
descriptions on early copper. Lots of stuff like "In a PCGS MS63RB slab, actually AU50" and some of the
NGC stuff described as "incorrect grade, incorrect attribution, incorrect pedigree, recolored, otherwise nice"

Pistareen · May 10, 2011 1:49AM

I used to be one of those EAC cataloguers, and I can tell you no EACer would ever refer to a slab grade as "incorrect" in that kind of context.

They're different scales -- like Celsius and Fahrenheit. Canadians don't come to the US and tell our weatherman that the current temperature of 74 degrees is incorrect, it's just different.

Now if the provenance and attribution was incorrect, that is something we'd point out ...

I've never understood all the us vs. them thing with EAC. We're like the Mennonites of coins -- a little traditional, a little isolated, with our own dialect, but as neighborly and friendly as you could hope for.

See you at the show. Come introduce yourself.

Justacommeman · May 10, 2011 2:09AM

PerryHall · May 10, 2011 2:10AM

<< I remember a auction catalog a few years back where one of the EAC people had been hired to do the
descriptions on early copper. Lots of stuff like "In a PCGS MS63RB slab, actually AU50" ............... >>

How is this even possible? The coin either has wear or it doesn't have wear. It can't be both.

coinhunters · May 10, 2011 2:28AM

We know Charmy is going .

coinhunters · May 10, 2011 2:34AM

Thats truly sad to hear. Not trying to make excuses for such behavior though, things at all big auctions get quite the frenzy , especially two days before the actual show/auction. After the show, I would compose yourself and a letter to the EAC president and fully explain your experience. Even it's just a single individual, that can't properly deal with the stress associated with these events, perhaps they should not be taking member or customer calls. Enjoy the show and good luck !!

notwilight · May 10, 2011 2:35AM

<< 

<< Thanks to all who respond, I think to promote copper more info like this would help. Perry, I got an even ruder response from someone in person that is a EAC member, but I will not post it here. Best, to all and thanks a million!!! >>

Ahhhh yes. Nothing like a copper snob. If you can make it to next year's convention in Buffalo, N.Y. I'll treat you to some Buffalo Wings. Make sure you bring a fire extinguisher with you.

>>

I ran a marathon in Buffalo a few years back and partied with the locals afterward. I have to say that I have never met a friendlier bunch of guys and gals. I highly recommend Buffalo. --Jerry

mozin · May 10, 2011 2:53AM

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<< The only other response I have received is to pay 25 bucks to join and you will find out then.... >>

Wow! What a rude response. >>

I was the one making that response. I have been a John Reich Club member for more than a decade, and I received NO information from EAC about the combined EAC/JRCS meeting. Had I known anything about the public show times, I could have responded better. Thanks to Charmy for giving us all the complete info on this show. It is much larger than I thought it would be.

shorecoll · May 10, 2011 6:00AM

PerryHall...Eac'ers are just stricter on "rub" than the rest of the world...there are lots of slabs of all services with MS grades and rub. Look at large cents and bust halves. I have seen bunches of busties up to MS63 with rub that even I can see...but they are "market acceptable". We won't resolve this here, it's been debated forever...but that is part of the EAC story. Pistareen can jump in with more if he chooses.

Frankcoins · May 10, 2011 6:05AM

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<< I remember a auction catalog a few years back where one of the EAC people had been hired to do the
descriptions on early copper. Lots of stuff like "In a PCGS MS63RB slab, actually AU50" ............... >>

How is this even possible? The coin either has wear or it doesn't have wear. It can't be both. >>

From the PCGS grading guide....

PerryHall · May 10, 2011 7:20AM

Thanks, Frank. That makes everything crystal clear.

Coin Finder · May 10, 2011 9:40AM

I can name copper dealers (plural) by first and last name who discount and down grade by "EAC standards" the PCGS/NGC grade of a copper large cent from America from the dates of 1793 to 1814. I have pointed this out to these individuals in person using CQR for one. The response is we "don't care" for the most part. I have also been sold by said copper dealers PCGS graded copper ( although to be fair this was a rare event) from the same era and fairly high premiums....

So I must disagree with Mr. Kraljaveck on this matter only......Otherwise he is the man!

shorecoll · May 11, 2011 6:07AM

And does this explain the same phenomena with busties? I guess it does, sort of...even though you don't have as clear a color differential. The debate continues...

Staircoins · May 11, 2011 7:02AM

Did I really just read that "... technical grading of these becomes a mere technicality." ?

Really? You don't say! There it is folks, in black and white, courtesy of our very own Department of Redundancy Department.

mozin · May 11, 2011 1:26PM

Registration begins at 11 AM Thursday morning.

joecopper · May 12, 2011 1:16AM

You got time - bourse does not open until tomorrow AM.

questor54 · May 12, 2011 1:21AM

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<< The only other response I have received is to pay 25 bucks to join and you will find out then.... >>

Wow! What a rude response. >>

Why should the organization provide free information?

questor54 · May 12, 2011 1:25AM

<< I used to be one of those EAC cataloguers, and I can tell you no EACer would ever refer to a slab grade as "incorrect" in that kind of context.

They're different scales -- like Celsius and Fahrenheit. Canadians don't come to the US and tell our weatherman that the current temperature of 74 degrees is incorrect, it's just different.

Now if the provenance and attribution was incorrect, that is something we'd point out ...

I've never understood all the us vs. them thing with EAC. We're like the Mennonites of coins -- a little traditional, a little isolated, with our own dialect, but as neighborly and friendly as you could hope for.

See you at the show. Come introduce yourself. >>

Perhaps the Canadian and US temperature scales are different, but that does not prevent someone from Manhattan from criticizing Chicago pizza.

PerryHall · May 12, 2011 3:56AM

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<< The only other response I have received is to pay 25 bucks to join and you will find out then.... >>

Wow! What a rude response. >>

Why should the organization provide free information? >>

He wanted to know when the show openned. It's not like he was asking for their secret handshake.

questor54 · May 12, 2011 3:59AM

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<< The only other response I have received is to pay 25 bucks to join and you will find out then.... >>

Wow! What a rude response. >>

Why should the organization provide free information? >>

He wanted to know when the show openned. It's not like he was asking for their secret handshake. >>

I understand, but why should that information be freely distributed to whomever asks?

Bochiman · May 12, 2011 4:04AM

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<< The only other response I have received is to pay 25 bucks to join and you will find out then.... >>

Wow! What a rude response. >>

Why should the organization provide free information? >>

Really? Really? Why should the organization provide free information on when the bourse would be open to the public?
It's a bourse, right? What's the purpose of a bourse? Isn't it to facilitate the sales/exchange of product basically? Don't you think it would behoove the organizers to make sure that folks that want to attend have the information so that dealers that pay to set up a table have the opportunity for more customers (both buying and selling)? The more product the dealers buy from the public the more opportunity that others can buy those from the dealers, that they may not have had a chance for previously.

Also, maybe attending public may decide to join the EAC after going. Is that a bad thing? From your response/attitude I am guessing you may view that as bad.

I'm sorry, Questor54, but you seem to have an elitist attitude on this. If an organization setting up a show does not wish to supply basic information, freely, such as dates/times for the public, then they should CLOSE the doors to anyone not part of the org and leave it at that. Once you open it to the public, it is beyond rude to not freely, and openly, supply the most basic of information.

PerryHall · May 12, 2011 4:16AM

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<< The only other response I have received is to pay 25 bucks to join and you will find out then.... >>

Wow! What a rude response. >>

Why should the organization provide free information? >>

He wanted to know when the show openned. It's not like he was asking for their secret handshake. >>

I understand, but why should that information be freely distributed to whomever asks? >>

Duh! Why do coin shows pay to advertise? They want people to attend so they can recruit them to join and the member dealers can make money off of them.

questor54 · May 12, 2011 4:17AM

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<< The only other response I have received is to pay 25 bucks to join and you will find out then.... >>

Wow! What a rude response. >>

Why should the organization provide free information? >>

Really? Really? Why should the organization provide free information on when the bourse would be open to the public?
It's a bourse, right? What's the purpose of a bourse? Isn't it to facilitate the sales/exchange of product basically? Don't you think it would behoove the organizers to make sure that folks that want to attend have the information so that dealers that pay to set up a table have the opportunity for more customers (both buying and selling)? The more product the dealers buy from the public the more opportunity that others can buy those from the dealers, that they may not have had a chance for previously.

Also, maybe attending public may decide to join the EAC after going. Is that a bad thing? From your response/attitude I am guessing you may view that as bad.

I'm sorry, Questor54, but you seem to have an elitist attitude on this. If an organization setting up a show does not wish to supply basic information, freely, such as dates/times for the public, then they should CLOSE the doors to anyone not part of the org and leave it at that. Once you open it to the public, it is beyond rude to not freely, and openly, supply the most basic of information. >>

First, I guess I should have been using the sarcasm emoticon. Let me say, complete with wagging finger, "I am not now, nor ever have been, nor ever will be, a member of EAC!" I do think, given the non-verbal cues we are receiving, even though their events are open, they would prefer attendees to be 'suitable'. Perhaps I am wrong about that.

The most in-depth interaction I have ever had with one of their members has involved him insulting most of the USA as 'fly-over' country (he is from Manhattan, needless to say), and paying special attention to insulting the food, towns and residents of the area in which I live. Well! You can guess I gave him my two cents! (Sometimes I crack myself up!)

Giving out information concerning the EAC event freely to whomever wants it? I would PAY to not have the information if the member with whom I interacted is at all representative.

questor54 · May 12, 2011 4:20AM

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<< The only other response I have received is to pay 25 bucks to join and you will find out then.... >>

Wow! What a rude response. >>

Why should the organization provide free information? >>

He wanted to know when the show openned. It's not like he was asking for their secret handshake. >>

I understand, but why should that information be freely distributed to whomever asks? >>

Duh! Why do coin shows pay to advertise? They want people to attend so they can recruit them to join and the member dealers can make money off of them. >>

Perhaps some organizations would have better luck with that if they used those 'advertising' funds to teach basic courtesy and manners to their dealer members.

EAC Convention and I cannot get a simple answer....

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