Can you tell me what is the oldest proof coin designated as Cameo and Deep Cameo by PCGS?
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Can you tell me what is the oldest proof coin designated as Cameo and Deep Cameo by PCGS?
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There is also an 1848 cent in 64CAM.
There is an 1858 quarter in 64 DCAM. I can't find any older DCAMs.
There are CAMs in 1822 for both the dime and the half dollar.
And then there are the proof dollars of 1802 and 1803. They are both "available" in CAM, but my understanding of these is that they were actually minted in the 1858.
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In 1988 MrGadzooka and I owned the Garrett 1821 $2 1/2 proof that disappeared from the pop report sometime before 1998. It was not the Loewinger coin from a few years ago's FUN Platinum Night. I am sure both would grade CAM, The Garrett coin I remember as then a 64, should be a 65 CAM now (always was). Loewinger's was a PR64CAM now if resubmitted.
There were only 3 of these minted. The 3rd was the Norman Stack coin, which was NGC 64 and overdipped. I may be wrong about this, but I believe 1821 QE's were the first documented proofs. Calling RWB.
I also recall an 1820 $5 from Norweb that I have a hard time believing was not a proof. It brought a price that indicated that two guys with a lot more money than I thought so too.
I sold an 1831 $2 1/2 to Harry Bass in the mid-80's through Mike Brownlee that's on display at the ANA Money Museum. Same date in PR66 (From Art Kagin, as I recall) was owned by MrGadzooka a few years later.
Both CAM++ at the very least.
The Pittman 1833 $5 PCGS PR67 (would DCAM) made me wet. Brought $400-420K+10% juice. Sold just under $1M at Heritage (Gold Rush Collection) maybe 5 years ago. It is owned by a family in Texas that really likes coins. My favorite pre-1838 gold proof. I was willing to call it PR68. It is a solid OMG++ and of higher technical quality IMNSHO than the Childs 1804 $1 PCGS PR68 which they also own. It's pretty nice. They really really like coins. You can't imagine what else they own. I have sold a few pieces to the family, but they were trivial in the bigger scheme of things. Actually, I can't imagine what they own without a RedBook.
Pittman also had 1835 and 1836 $5's that were CAM or better, as well as a $2 1/2 or two of this quality. One of the $5's is a 66CAM. I remember at least two 1829-1834 type $5's that would CAM
Pittman also had original 1843 and 1844 proof sets with gold. All the gold was at least CAM. Perhaps an 1842 set (ex: Pres. John Tyler)and 1846 set also. All of these had cameos. Pittman liked original.
I co-owned an 1836 head of 1835 PF65 $2 1/2 that should CAM, and quite a few other more common (relatively, LOL) Classic $2 1/2's. The Eliasberg 1834 recently appeared (unattributed) in an auction. It was a 64 with a noticeable spot on the brow and nice original color. It is now dipped/conserved and the spot is still there. Guess what? It looks worse now. I guess I was having a bad week, but looking at it induced a mild case of nausea.
<< <i>There was an 1836/1836 O-108 50c proof in the last Stacks-Bowers sale which was PCGS PR64CAM.
In 1988 MrGadzooka and I owned the Garrett 1821 $2 1/2 proof that disappeared from the pop report sometime before 1998. It was not the Loewinger coin from a few years ago's FUN Platinum Night. I am sure both would grade CAM, The Garrett coin I remember as then a 64, should be a 65 CAM now (always was). Loewinger's was a PR64CAM now if resubmitted.
There were only 3 of these minted. The 3rd was the Norman Stack coin, which was NGC 64 and overdipped. I may be wrong about this, but I believe 1821 QE's were the first documented proofs. Calling RWB.
I also recall an 1820 $5 from Norweb that I have a hard time believing was not a proof. It brought a price that indicated that two guys with a lot more money than I thought so too.
I sold an 1831 $2 1/2 to Harry Bass in the mid-80's through Mike Brownlee that's on display at the ANA Money Museum. Same date in PR66 (From Art Kagin, as I recall) was owned by MrGadzooka a few years later.
Both CAM++ at the very least.
The Pittman 1833 $5 PCGS PR67 (would DCAM) made me wet. Brought $400-420K+10% juice. Sold just under $1M at Heritage (Gold Rush Collection) maybe 5 years ago. It is owned by a family in Texas that really likes coins. My favorite pre-1838 gold proof. I was willing to call it PR68. It is a solid OMG++ and of higher technical quality IMNSHO than the Childs 1804 $1 PCGS PR68 which they also own. It's pretty nice. They really really like coins. You can't imagine what else they own. I have sold a few pieces to the family, but they were trivial in the bigger scheme of things. Actually, I can't imagine what they own without a RedBook.
Pittman also had 1835 and 1836 $5's that were CAM or better, as well as a $2 1/2 or two of this quality. One of the $5's is a 66CAM. I remember at least two 1829-1834 type $5's that would CAM
Pittman also had original 1843 and 1844 proof sets with gold. All the gold was at least CAM. Perhaps an 1842 set (ex: Pres. John Tyler)and 1846 set also. All of these had cameos. Pittman liked original.
I co-owned an 1836 head of 1835 PF65 $2 1/2 that should CAM, and quite a few other more common (relatively, LOL) Classic $2 1/2's. The Eliasberg 1834 recently appeared (unattributed) in an auction. It was a 64 with a noticeable spot on the brow and nice original color. It is now dipped/conserved and the spot is still there. Guess what? It looks worse now. I guess I was having a bad week, but looking at it induced a mild case of nausea. >>
WOW, thats wild, they had their stuff together way back-shame they didnt learn as years went on, otherwise you would see alot more-unless
that killer proof stuff was used over the years during hardtimes?
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<< <i>The Pittman 1833 $5 PCGS PR67 (would DCAM) made me wet. Brought $400-420K+10% juice. Sold just under $1M at Heritage (Gold Rush Collection) maybe 5 years ago. It is owned by a family in Texas that really likes coins. My favorite pre-1838 gold proof. I was willing to call it PR68. It is a solid OMG++ and of higher technical quality IMNSHO than the Childs 1804 $1 PCGS PR68 which they also own. It's pretty nice. They really really like coins. You can't imagine what else they own. I have sold a few pieces to the family, but they were trivial in the bigger scheme of things. Actually, I can't imagine what they own without a RedBook. >>
Laura wrote, somewhere, that this collection combined with the other well-known Texas collection would be oer $500M. That's a lot of coin........
I could be wrong. I was wrong last year when i thought i was wrong.
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<< <i>Ive seen an 1805 Bust Dollar... I remember it as a 66 CAM. it was two years ago though... >>
I'm hoping that's a mistyping. Perhaps you mean the 1802 from yet another Heritage sale. PR65CAM at $920K. All the 1805's were melted to make 1835 Gobrechts
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Ron
<< <i>I think there is a proof bust dollar small eagle reverse graded proof 66 cameo. 1795? 1796? I don`t remember.
I could be wrong. I was wrong last year when i thought i was wrong. >>
1795. The Jimmy Hayes coin, which is more than slightly amazing. It brought over $100K at the time, maybe close to $200K. Can't find my catalogue right now. Probably now classified Specimen, a la the Amon Carter....-Lustig-.........Knoxville-Parrino-Contursi-Logies 1794.