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As you know, incandesentd bulbs will be banned soon.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/8462626/Energy-saving-light-bulbs-contain-cancer-causing-chemicals.html

Energy saving light bulbs 'contain cancer causing chemicals'

Fears have been reignited about the safety of energy saving light bulbs after a group of scientists warned that they contain cancer causing chemicals.

Their report advises that the bulbs should not be left on for extended periods, particularly near someone’s head, as they emit poisonous materials when switched on.

Peter Braun, who carried out the tests at the Berlin's Alab Laboratory, said: “For such carcinogenic substances it is important they are kept as far away as possible from the human environment.”

The bulbs are already widely used in the UK following EU direction to phase out traditional incandescent lighting by the end of this year.

But the German scientists claimed that several carcinogenic chemicals and toxins were released when the environmentally-friendly compact fluorescent lamps (CFLs) were switched on, including phenol, naphthalene and styrene.

Andreas Kirchner, of the Federation of German Engineers, said: “Electrical smog develops around these lamps.

“I, therefore, use them only very economically. They should not be used in unventilated areas and definitely not in the proximity of the head.”
British experts insisted that more research was needed and urged consumers not to panic.

Dr Michelle Bloor, senior lecturer in Environmental Science at Portsmouth University, told the Daily Express: “Further independent studies would need to be undertaken to back up the presented German research.”

The Department for the Environment insists the bulbs are safe, despite the fact that they contain small amounts of mercury which would leak out if the glass was broken.

Advice on its website states: “Energy efficient light bulbs are not a danger to the public.

“Although they contain mercury, limited at 5mg per lamp, it cannot escape from a lamp that is intact.

“In any case, the very small amount contained in an energy efficient bulb is unlikely to cause harm even if the lamp should be broken.”

The latest report follows claims by Abraham Haim, a professor of biology at Haifa University in Israel, that the bulbs could result in higher breast cancer rates if used late at night.

He said that the bluer light that CFLs emitted closely mimicked daylight, disrupting the body's production of the hormone melatonin more than older-style filament bulbs, which cast a yellower light.

The Migraine Action Association has warned that they could trigger migraines and skin care specialists have claimed that their intense light could exacerbate a range of existing skin problems.

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  • dcarrdcarr Posts: 9,124 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If a person is concerned about all that, they can get LED bulbs (which I prefer) instead of CFL bulbs.
  • EagleEyeEagleEye Posts: 7,677 ✭✭✭✭✭
    You can always buy them on-line from Canada.
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  • ANACONDAANACONDA Posts: 4,692
    Grading by LED.....cool....also halogens are favored by some.

    Well, I hope Canada continues making them.
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  • rgCoinGuyrgCoinGuy Posts: 7,478
    This is the biggest stretch I have seen in a while. A UK paper, quoting a German scientist, then a bunch of misc. crap thrown in for good measure.
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  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭
    CFLs or compact fluorescent light bulbs are light bulbs that have lower energy requirements than 'standard' incandescent bulbs and are often designed to fit into incandescent sockets. They come in a variety of shapes. A common one looks like this:

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  • Unfortunately, almost everything these days has been identified to cause cancer on one level or another.

    I believe that similar natural daylight bulbs are advertised to help deal with "cabin fever" depression. Six of one, half dozen of another, its good for you if it doesn't kill you first.
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  • pakasmompakasmom Posts: 1,920
    Thank God. I was starting to worry I wouldn't get my daily laugh out of this place today...
  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,313 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Unfortunately, almost everything these days has been identified to cause cancer on one level or another.
    I believe that similar natural daylight bulbs are advertised to help deal with "cabin fever" depression. Six of one, half dozen of another, its good for you if it doesn't kill you first. >>



    True enough. I believe the processed food we eat is the major cause for the increase in major health problems over the past several decades. Second major reason is probably the
    shunning of sunlight due to skin cancer fears....hence vitamin D deficiencies for many months out of the year over most of the USA. We continue to lose the war on cancer, heart disease, diabetes, alzheimer's, etc. The 90% solution is fixing our diets at the source. Unfortunately corporate America will have none of that. Can I supersize that order for you?

    Light bulbs are the least of our worries, right down there with background radiation. Cell phones and electromagnetic exposure are probably much more of a threat.

    roadrunner
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  • epcjimi1epcjimi1 Posts: 3,489 ✭✭✭
    My parents live on a farm in SW Iowa suffered a lightening strike last week on the house. All the curly-cue, energy saving light bulbs exploded. Incandescent bulbs did not explode. Go figure.

  • pontiacinfpontiacinf Posts: 8,915 ✭✭
    well while I see your logic, your point...

    I also see 50 million other things on a daily basis that can/might/mightnot cause issues with
    ones health.

    MY next door neighbor constantly used a cell phone, geesh it was hard to find a time when you did not see
    one in his hand, constantly calling his wife, friends, geesh I wouldnt doubt if he made crank calls just to use it.
    Long story short I remember his wife and kids giving him grief when reports said cell microwaves etc could cause brain tumours.
    Fast fowrcd about 15 years later, the man just died, had a huge tumour on the same side of his head he held his phone
    to-did the phone cause it? who knows.

    no real point cept Adrian, if I worried about everything out there on a daily basis, I might as well stay locked away at home.

    But wait, home was built in 1964, who knows what these walls may contain.

    get my drift?
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  • ANACONDAANACONDA Posts: 4,692
    I started this thread basically to redistribute some information.

    Use it or don`t.

    For me, the information is most important in pointing out how our government is trying to make us do things. If incandescent bulbs are safe and assuming that CFLs are safe, why should our government be telling us what can and can`t be made?

    By the way, for health reasons, I think there are good things to do and good things not to do. Don`t smoke, eat a lot of vegatables, make sure you`re not vitamin D deficient, wear your seatbelt, etc.

    Not everything causes cancer but I get your drift.....and agree with you......the scientific method is great to determine what the truth is, it just takes a long time and can be abused and mis-applied.

    Motorcyclists who don`t wear helmets often say `when it`s your time to go, you`ll go, whether or not you`re wearing a helmet`. These are the same guys who don`t step out in front of moving cement trucks. Logic mis-applied.
  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,621 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>My parents live on a farm in SW Iowa suffered a lightening strike last week on the house. All the curly-cue, energy saving light bulbs exploded. Incandescent bulbs did not explode. Go figure. >>



    See ? If they don't work, they save energy.
  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,850 ✭✭✭✭✭
    << My parents live on a farm in SW Iowa suffered a lightening strike last week on the house. All the curly-cue, energy saving light bulbs exploded. Incandescent bulbs did not explode. Go figure. >>

    See ? If they don't work, they save energy

    What would Henry Wallace or Herbert Hoover think??

    I selected these two as being two well-known Iowa greats- Bix Beiderbecke would be too far off topic...

    My concern has always been the Mercury in these- while I am a big believer in saving energy- What happens if one breaks? Well, the clean up is not as easy as one anticipates

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  • BigEBigE Posts: 6,949 ✭✭✭
    This proves that political action groups work---or do they?----------------------BigE
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  • RWBRWB Posts: 8,082
    Maybe a warning should be issued: "Do Not Eat."

    Astrology to alchemy to phrenology --- pseudoscience and pop-media confusion are just part of the human condition.
  • 2ndCharter2ndCharter Posts: 1,704 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I've been stocking up on light bulbs for a while now - it should be quite a few years before I have to worry about having to use those CFL bulbs.

    Member ANA, SPMC, SCNA, FUN, CONECA

  • IrishMikeyIrishMikey Posts: 1,561 ✭✭✭
    I understand that the main health risk with CFL bulbs is that they release tiny amounts of
    fluoride into the air, causing rises in broken bones with the elderly, pink staining on teeth,
    and of course, a noticeable rise in communism in our neighborhoods. Incandescent bulbs,
    on the other hand, emitted trace amounts of a chemical that produced entrepreneurialism
    in lab rats.

    You really needed to have been raised in coal country to understand the immense human
    cost of this form of energy. I was. Knowing that a favorite uncle died very young due to
    respiratory illness, or that a cousin was killed in a mining accident at the age of 22, tends to
    skew your thinking about the use of energy.image
  • LanLordLanLord Posts: 11,723 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm pretty certain all the foods you eat, liquids you drink and air you breathe also cause cancer.

    So in order to avoid carcinogens, one must stop eating, drinking and breathing. Then you can live a long and healthy life, well, except for that starvation, dehydration and asphyxiation thing.
  • slipgateslipgate Posts: 2,301 ✭✭
    CFL Bulbs (very few, but still) have also been known to spontaneusly burst into flames when they burn out. More than a few house fires have been attributed to them.
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  • ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,785 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I'm pretty certain all the foods you eat, liquids you drink and air you breathe also cause cancer.

    So in order to avoid carcinogens, one must stop eating, drinking and breathing. Then you can live a long and healthy life, well, except for that starvation, dehydration and asphyxiation thing. >>




    You could always become a plant and live on sunlight. Oh wait, UV can cause skin cancer.




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  • ANACONDAANACONDA Posts: 4,692
    Actually, too much UV is linked to cancer.

    Also, too little Vitamin D (generated by our bodies by exposure to the sun) is linked to cancer.

    All things in moderation. That`s why I only run with scissors in my mouth just twice a year. But only once every ten years while blindfolded.
  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,313 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That "too much UV" risk probably pales in comparison to the "too little UV" risk. The fact that we've covered up our skin over the past 30 yrs, applied SPF lotions, and
    work indoors far too many hours has increased vit D deficiencies. Prostrate and other cancer risks rise as you move away from the Gulf Coast up towards Canada. I saw one
    study that figured that the other cancers outweighed skin cancer by about 100 to 1 or greater. And skin cancers are often very treatable. Not getting 15-20 minutes of prime
    time sun exposure several times a week is a health risk. I actually performed a "self-test" on this from around 1999-2006. During that time I put in ridiculous hours at work
    almost never seeing the sun except on weekends. I went from someone who rarely ever got sick to picking up frequent colds, asthma, bronchitis, and significantly higher blood pressure.
    These days I get my sun, eat and exercise better. No more colds, no asthma, and no bronchitis in the past 3 yrs. Blood pressure much improved as well. Watch out for those
    "helpful" SPF lotions. The chemicals in them probably contribute more to cancer and other health risks than too much UV. I watch and played a lot of golf over the years. Don't recall
    any famous golfers dying of skin cancer. You can probably include baseball players and construction workers too. Exposure with moderation works.

    roadrunner
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  • slipgateslipgate Posts: 2,301 ✭✭


    << <i>That "too much UV" risk probably pales in comparison to the "too little UV" risk. The fact that we've covered up our skin over the past 30 yrs, applied SPF lotions, and
    work indoors far too many hours has increased vit D deficiencies. Prostrate and other cancer risks rise as you move away from the Gulf Coast up towards Canada. I saw one
    study that figured that the other cancers outweighed skin cancer by about 100 to 1 or greater. And skin cancers are often very treatable. Not getting 15-20 minutes of prime
    time sun exposure several times a week is a health risk. I actually performed a "self-test" on this from around 1999-2006. During that time I put in ridiculous hours at work
    almost never seeing the sun except on weekends. I went from someone who rarely ever got sick to picking up frequent colds, asthma, bronchitis, and significantly higher blood pressure.
    These days I get my sun, eat and exercise better. No more colds, no asthma, and no bronchitis in the past 3 yrs. Blood pressure much improved as well. Watch out for those
    "helpful" SPF lotions. The chemicals in them probably contribute more to cancer and other health risks than too much UV. I watch and played a lot of golf over the years. Don't recall
    any famous golfers dying of skin cancer. You can probably include baseball players and construction workers too. Exposure with moderation works.

    roadrunner >>



    Small story. I have had "interesting" health issues over the past several years. Chest pains, shortness of breath, very poor sleeper, joint pains, back pains, larthargy, etc, etc, etc. I thought I was going to have a heart attack, that my cholesteral and sugar must be sky high. I finally saw a Dr a few months ago. The Dr ordered numerous tests including a vitamin D test. All of my test results came back very good - even my cholesteral is fine. Except for one - Vitamin D! You are supposed to have a # between 35 and 100. My level was 6! I work in an interior office, in an interior office. I leave the house at 4:30 am and come home at 3pm. It takes me 5 minutes to walk to the underground metro for my hour train ride home. I get almost NO sun exposure. He put me on prescription Vitamin D pills at 50,000 IUs. A glass of milk has 100 IUs of Vitamin D. Daily allowance should be 400. He said all of my problems could be attributed to the severe Vitamin D deficiency that I have. Slowly I am starting to feel better. I go back in another month for a followup and to recheck my levels. He advised a daily multi-vitamin. He also said whenever I am in the sun to expose as much skin as possible and NOT to wear sunglasses. Said the eyes seeing unfiltered sunlight is what triggers the body to produce Vitamin D. We live in a society where we are totally covered from the sun. I do not use the term "protected" since that term when used with the sun is total BS. Your body did not evolve to be hurt by something that you need. All of the windows in our houses and offices are 100% UV filtered. Our car windows are 100% UV filtered. We wear sunglasses. On the rare occasions when we are in the sun we wear suntan lotion. This is a major problem. I am changing my lifestyle for the better. A little education on this subject goes a long way my friends!
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