My experiment of crossing ANACS photo certificates to PCGS...Lots of photos.

relicsncoins · April 20, 2011 3:38AM

I'm getting a decent sample now of crossing these coins. Some have been great and some have been disappointments. Here are the coins I have crossed so far, with the ANACS grading certificates and the PCGS grades.

1. 1917 P 10C. ANACS MS65/65 PCGS MS66FB

2. 1864 2C ANACS MS65/63 PCGS MS62RB

3. 1891 S 10C ANACS MS63/63 PCGS MS64+ (second time to PCGS. First Genuine 91)

4. 1934 P 25C ANACS MS65/65 PCGS MS67

5. 1935 P 50C Boone. ANACS MS65/65 PCGS MS64.

6. 1942 P 50C ANACS MS65/65 PCGS MS64+

7. 1921 Peace $1 ANACS MS63/63 PCGS MS63

My conclusion so far. There are some overgraded coins, undergraded coins and correctly graded coins according PCGS standards. (I know, quite a revelation)

drwstr123 · April 20, 2011 3:46AM

Wonderful compilation. Thanks.

IrishMikey · April 20, 2011 4:07AM

I like that 1921 Peace dollar -- it has a great look. Probably needs a better strike for a 64,
but as a 63 it looks pretty PQ.

crypto79 · April 20, 2011 5:09AM

I agree more with the PCGS grades then the ANACS but it gut goes to show you

coinkid855 · April 20, 2011 5:12AM

Wow! Awesome job on that 34-P Quarter!!!

-Paul

yellowkid · April 20, 2011 5:17AM

Intertesting thread, thanks!!

Kove · April 20, 2011 6:48AM

Threads like this with empirical "data" and photos are worthwhile reads. Thanks for sharing!

habaraca · April 20, 2011 7:03AM

not a 2 cent collector so know nothing about them,,,,,, but that 1864 going from 65/63 to 62
just looks wrong to me... That is one nice looker

jesbroken · April 20, 2011 7:06AM

JJ,
Great post, thank you for sharing. Actually, I have no problem with any of the grade disruptions other than the one. The 1891 LSDime is ridiculous and should prove to pcgs that their needs be some training in their ranks regarding color. For one set of graders(not one but a set) to be undecided about the coin's color and the next SET of graders to decide it is so good it deserves a PLUS shows some real weakness in their grading system--I know from one grader to another a grade point is in the eye of the beholder, but color for a group of graders to say no good to 'that deserves a plus' is sickening. I'm sure I'll be flamed about how its not something that can be done equally but I say from one end of the spectrum to the other is a little ridiculous. JMHO.
Bring it on.
Jim

golfer72 · April 20, 2011 9:34AM

All a plus means is that its at the top end of its assigned grade. Nothing significant about it. The fact that the coin went from Genuine to mid MS grade is the problem. Not that it has a plus.

Raybo · April 20, 2011 9:48AM

<< not a 2 cent collector so know nothing about them,,,,,, but that 1864 going from 65/63 to 62
just looks wrong to me... That is one nice looker >>

I agree!

smallchange · April 20, 2011 9:53AM

I have 8 Standing Liberty Quarters that just arrived at PCGS. All 8 are the small ANACS holders. They are all AU50 to AU58's. I will post the results when I get them. Interesting thread.

Jim

relicsncoins · April 21, 2011 12:48PM

<< Just about what I expected, however the varience in grades was interesting i.e. a 65/65 going 67 for example or a 65/63 going 62, >>

I agree, I can understand 1 grading point. There is a huge difference between a Washington in 65 and one in 67. Part of the problem is that ANACS only used 60, 63, 65 and 67 up until around 1985.

CaptHenway · April 21, 2011 1:10PM

<< not a 2 cent collector so know nothing about them,,,,,, but that 1864 going from 65/63 to 62
just looks wrong to me... That is one nice looker >>

I agree.
(BTW, that one was graded after I left ANACS.)
TD

Rollerman · April 22, 2011 1:26AM

I just bought several gold coins in the old ANAC's photo certificate grading. I took them to a ANA grader who runs their grading seminars for his opinion. I bought these for the Dansco 7070 Type set, so didn't want to actually get them graded only to have to break them out for the album. Here's the results:

1878 S $2 1/2 ANACS AU50 Grader AU55+

1899 $5 ANACS AU55 Grader MS 62-63

1901 $10 ANACS AU55 Grader MS63

1910 $10 ANACS AU58 Grader MS62

1914 D $20 ANACS AU58 Grader AU50

I've been at this a long time and agreed with the older more conservative grading of the photo ANACS, except for the $20 piece, I had it as a AU53. You might know the most expensive coin would be overgraded!

Sorry to not be able to supply photo's of these coins, it would have had more impact.
Pete

mdwoods · April 22, 2011 1:59AM

<< 

<< not a 2 cent collector so know nothing about them,,,,,, but that 1864 going from 65/63 to 62
just looks wrong to me... That is one nice looker >>

I agree.
(BTW, that one was graded after I left ANACS.)
TD >>

I was thinking the same. Still there were some nice upgrades, grats!!

canadanz · April 22, 2011 4:43AM

This is a great thread, thanks! Looks like you did quite well on some of those upgrades! I'm surprised the 2c piece only went 62 though.

Meltdown · April 22, 2011 4:48AM

Very interesting. I always enjoy seeing your photo cert. threads.

Just curious, does PCGS send back the photo's certs after they cross them into slabs?

TPRC · April 22, 2011 4:52AM

My one cross was an 1807 dime ANACS F12/12 to PCGS VF-30! I'm still not sure what grade that coin actually is.

relicsncoins · April 22, 2011 5:02AM

<< Very interesting. I always enjoy seeing your photo cert. threads.

Just curious, does PCGS send back the photo's certs after they cross them into slabs? >>

The photo certs are separate from the coins already, so they are not sent in with the coins.

PQueue · April 22, 2011 5:03AM

relics, you have a good eye, it's nothing about how they cross. I don't go by photos, but that '34 quarter looks real strong...well struck and great cheek bone.
Rollerman, 1901 $10 ANACS AU55 Grader MS63 Which is it? One of the graders is totally inept!

MFH · April 22, 2011 5:06AM

Great post and thanks for showing the old ANACS cards as well.

All nice coins and I'd love to see them in hand as well.

Rollerman · April 22, 2011 5:17AM

<< relics, you have a good eye, it's nothing about how they cross. I don't go by photos, but that '34 quarter looks real strong...well struck and great cheek bone.
Rollerman, 1901 $10 ANACS AU55 Grader MS63 Which is it? One of the graders is totally inept! >>

Well one might jump to that conclusion, but remember, there's almost 30 years between the two grading sessions. This $10 gold is a real blazer for luster, and luster seems to have a greater value today than back then. It's pushed hard as an eye appeal issue, but to me, contact marks are a big part of eye appeal. Contact marks would hold this coin down a bit from MS63 for me - but I have to admit to be a bit dumb about gold as I have looked at very few pieces over the last many years of serious collecting. This was part of the reason I sought a 2nd opinion so to speak. I really think the piece is an AU58+ but I'm conservative and I'm also not used to the softer metal in these gold coins.

I think so so luster is what held the $20 St. Gaudens from a 58 to a 50 also.

Pete (AKA Rollerman)

PQueue · April 22, 2011 5:46AM

Rollerman, AU55 has clear WEAR, no ifs, ands, or buts. It does not matter how many years have transpired. I agree with you about luster, however if it's broken on the high points that is wear in any era. I suspect your assessment is the correct one, which suggests the recent grader calling it a 63 needs some schooling. For 1901 $10 Libs, no way should anyone call an AU coin MS63.

relicsncoins · April 22, 2011 6:03AM

<< Rollerman, AU55 has clear WEAR, no ifs, ands, or buts. It does not matter how many years have transpired. I agree with you about luster, however if it's broken on the high points that is wear in any era. I suspect your assessment is the correct one, which suggests the recent grader calling it a 63 needs some schooling. For 1901 $10 Libs, no way should anyone call an AU coin MS63. >>

Here is an ANACS graded gold coin. This coin is graded AU50/50. My guess is AU58 today. I will probably send it in as part of my next submission.

UncleJoe · April 22, 2011 6:49AM

I agree with some of the other posters about the 2 cent piece.

Is there something about the coin not seen in the photos that this coin should only grade 62? I think this one might need a reevaluation.

Joe.

leothelyon · April 22, 2011 7:43AM

<< I just bought several gold coins in the old ANAC's photo certificate grading. I took them to a ANA grader who runs their grading seminars for his opinion. I bought these for the Dansco 7070 Type set, so didn't want to actually get them graded only to have to break them out for the album. Here's the results:

1878 S $2 1/2 ANACS AU50 Grader AU55+

1899 $5 ANACS AU55 Grader MS 62-63

1901 $10 ANACS AU55 Grader MS63

1910 $10 ANACS AU58 Grader MS62

1914 D $20 ANACS AU58 Grader AU50

I've been at this a long time and agreed with the older more conservative grading of the photo ANACS, except for the $20 piece, I had it as a AU53. You might know the most expensive coin would be overgraded!

Sorry to not be able to supply photo's of these coins, it would have had more impact.
Pete >>

So.....did ANACS see a bit of wear on those AU's when they graded them?

Leo

leothelyon · April 22, 2011 7:56AM

<< 4. 1934 P 25C ANACS MS65/65 PCGS MS67

>>

I believe ANACS took notice to the condition of the working dies in the quality of fields, strength of strike and the carbon spots up by the eagle's head.

When another coin in your collection doesn't have all those problems and has been graded MS67 as well, what does that tell you? It leaves the collector confused is the problem.

Leo

relicsncoins · April 22, 2011 8:04AM

<< I believe ANACS took notice to the condition of the working dies in the quality of fields, strength of strike and the carbon spots up by the eagle's head.

When another coin in your collection doesn't have all those problems and has been graded MS67 as well, what does that tell you? It leaves the collector confused is the problem.

Leo >>

Those are shadows not carbon spots.

My experiment of crossing ANACS photo certificates to PCGS...Lots of photos.

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