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tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,608 ✭✭✭✭✭
Here is a coin that I just purchased. It has amazing cartwheel luster, beautiful toning, clean surfaces. I do not know why it is only an MS64, but I'm happy that it is. I compare it quite favorably to the MS65+ 1806 bust half that I own.

In this case, the plastic saved me tens of thousands of dollars! image

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    CoinRaritiesOnlineCoinRaritiesOnline Posts: 3,689 ✭✭✭✭
    That's a great looking coin. Congrats, TDN.
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    tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,608 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looking at the True View, I'd say it's a little high point glossiness that limited the grade.
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    bestclser1bestclser1 Posts: 5,566 ✭✭✭
    OH YEAH!image
    Great coins are not cheap,and cheap coins are not great!
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    ChrisRxChrisRx Posts: 5,619 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i> I do not know why it is only an MS64 >>



    Not my series but maybe hair and feather details?
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    KoveKove Posts: 2,041 ✭✭✭✭
    Beautiful coin.
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    fivecentsfivecents Posts: 11,207 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Sniff, sniff...I smell an upgrade.

    Gorgeous coin TDN.
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    yellowkidyellowkid Posts: 5,486
    After a week away , what a nice piece to start back with!! Beautiful!!
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    johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 32,402 ✭✭✭✭✭
    nice coin image
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    llafoellafoe Posts: 7,220 ✭✭
    Lithium should stop those coins from talking to you! image
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    Type2Type2 Posts: 13,985 ✭✭✭✭✭
    A very nice coin at a discount you did good. image


    Hoard the keys.
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    ColonelJessupColonelJessup Posts: 6,442 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The coin does not suck. Therefore, based mostly on my jealousy, you do, and are entitled to a "You Suck" award.



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    DorkGirlDorkGirl Posts: 9,994 ✭✭✭
    Pretty lady, thanks for sharing her.
    Becky
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    cheezhedcheezhed Posts: 6,321 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It's obvious that the unappealing tarnish is limiting the grade. image
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    pakasmompakasmom Posts: 1,920
    Just goes to show, "high grade/not high grade" is relative. She'd be in the upper tier of my collection.

    Beautiful coin!
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    DNADaveDNADave Posts: 7,346 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That's a pretty coin and I like it.

    I feel the same way as the opening statement "Not just high grade coins speak to me"

    but that's refering to the bottom of the grading scale for me.


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    fcfc Posts: 12,805 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Just goes to show, "high grade/not high grade" is relative. She'd be in the upper tier of my collection.

    Beautiful coin! >>



    MS64 is high grade to me when referring to coins as old as that... I cannot imagine
    too many coins of that date in a higher grade... a handful?

    beautiful coin TDN.
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    SeattleSlammerSeattleSlammer Posts: 10,123 ✭✭✭✭✭
    TDN, I fear that you lost touch with the concept of 'non high grade' many moons ago.
    But I'm pretty sure that we all forgive you anyways.
    Amazing piece!
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    BigEBigE Posts: 6,949 ✭✭✭
    It does look like the toning is rubbed off the high points, maybe a true case of "cabinet friction" is the reason for the grade--------BigE
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    cardinalcardinal Posts: 2,005 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Looking at the True View, I'd say it's a little high point glossiness that limited the grade. >>



    I would have to agree. I think this is a prime example of a coin with probably an accurate "technical" grade, but with the eye appeal of a much higher grade.image
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    speetyspeety Posts: 5,424
    Why am I not surprised that MS-64 is not considered high grade to you? image
    Want to buy an auction catalog for the William Hesslein Sale (December 2, 1926). Thanks to all those who have helped us obtain the others!!!

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    keyman64keyman64 Posts: 15,650 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Such a low grade there, you should be ashamed. That is sooooo low for you, you should just melt stuff like that. I can't believe you would even post something that low on the forums. Disgusting!






















    A post like this was clearly a requirement! I have to stand up for the poor people that consider that High Grade material.
    "If it's not fun, it's not worth it." - KeyMan64
    Not really looking for much these days but if I were, it might be a toner. :smile:
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    jhdflajhdfla Posts: 3,030 ✭✭✭
    Great coin! I love really nice 64's with that kind of eye appeal, esp. in such a tough series.
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    PCcoinsPCcoins Posts: 3,354 ✭✭✭
    AT....




    ...lol
    "It is what it is."
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    breakdownbreakdown Posts: 2,381 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If that is supposed to be pedestrian, it is a spectacular example of it. Makes me wonder how incredible a type set one could put together with sub-gems.
    Thanks for sharing!

    "Look up, old boy, and see what you get." -William Bonney.

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    PCcoinsPCcoins Posts: 3,354 ✭✭✭


    << <i>If that is supposed to be pedestrian, it is a spectacular example of it. Makes me wonder how incredible a type set one could put together with sub-gems.
    Thanks for sharing! >>



    I still wouldn't consider that example a "sub-gem" even graded at the ms64 level. Looks like a gem to these eyes!
    "It is what it is."
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    LeeBoneLeeBone Posts: 4,840 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I was looking for an actual "Low-Grade"...
    Shoulda known better from who the OP was image
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    PistareenPistareen Posts: 1,506 ✭✭✭
    I have to admit, upon seeing the title of the thread and who the poster was, I was kind of hoping you'd just bought the VG Birch cent or something!
    John Kraljevich, Director of Numismatic Americana, Stack's Bowers Galleries
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    RYKRYK Posts: 35,800 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Why am I not surprised that MS-64 is not considered high grade to you? image >>


    I was thinking the same.

    I have to admit, upon seeing the title of the thread and who the poster was, I was kind of hoping you'd just bought the VG Birch cent or something!

    I had a Strawberry leaf or Jefferson head in mind.

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    speetyspeety Posts: 5,424


    << <i>I have to admit, upon seeing the title of the thread and who the poster was, I was kind of hoping you'd just bought the VG Birch cent or something!

    I had a Strawberry leaf or Jefferson head in mind. >>



    I was thinking the 1802 half dime on David Lawrence - an AU-50.
    Want to buy an auction catalog for the William Hesslein Sale (December 2, 1926). Thanks to all those who have helped us obtain the others!!!

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    tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,608 ✭✭✭✭✭
    When I opened the package today, I was VERY surprised. The coin has the luster and look of a 66. It was off the website - Laura didn't even give me a heads up on it!
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    Billet7Billet7 Posts: 4,923 ✭✭✭
    TDN, if you need a reference point for what a high grade, and what a low grade coin is, look at my registry set...anything listed there is low grade. THAT capped beauty is anything but low grade, but I think you're just trying to get a rise out of the common folk! image

    I do not own any uncirculated capped or draped bust quarters (even though I specialize in the series) but I would seriously consider owning a coin like THAT, even with my limited coin budget. It is spectacular!
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    zas107zas107 Posts: 831 ✭✭✭
    I used to own this coin. It is exceedingly nice and very very PQ for the grade. It's super original, and the color is a tad bit nicer than the photos would indicate IMO. It's very rare to see a bust quarter with toning as attractive as this one exhibits. It is a b-2, which is an r4 for those who are wondering.
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    melvin289melvin289 Posts: 3,019
    One man's low grade coin is the shining star of another man's collection.
    Beautiful coin and congratulations on landing such a nice example in an MS-64.

    Ron
    Collect for the love of the hobby, the beauty of the coins, and enjoy the ride.
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    tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,608 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I used to own this coin. It is exceedingly nice and very very PQ for the grade. It's super original, and the color is a tad bit nicer than the photos would indicate IMO. It's very rare to see a bust quarter with toning as attractive as this one exhibits. It is a b-2, which is an r4 for those who are wondering. >>



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    jmski52jmski52 Posts: 23,959 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Lots of lower grade coins are only worth melt nowadays, TDN. I figure this one will fall into that category when silver reaches $20,000/oz. image
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    renomedphysrenomedphys Posts: 3,941 ✭✭✭✭✭
    There are quite a few 64s that look just so much better than the grade implies. That is definitely one of them. I own a few as well, and the only thing that bothers me is the nagging knowledge that in all liklihood, the coin will only be appreciated by a few who can get past the number on the holder.
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    BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Based on the title and that it's a CBQ... MS64 doesn't really qualify as slumming along mere mortal collectors! imageimage
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    Steve27Steve27 Posts: 13,280 ✭✭✭
    The weakly struck stars and toning limit that coin to a 64 IMO.
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    jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 11,208 ✭✭✭✭✭
    TDN---somewhere I read that we weren't supposed to buy the holder, but were to buy the coin, which is what you did--As you gave us your two bits, I just gave you mine. Great coin.
    Jim

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    ajmanajman Posts: 1,359 ✭✭✭
    Monster coin! Definitely not drecky. image
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    lcoopielcoopie Posts: 8,875 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think you meant,

    "Not just top pop coins speak to me"

    Your newp seems high grade to me, but I am so far out of your "loop"

    it looks like a beautiful coin
    LCoopie = Les
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    LoveMyLibertyLoveMyLiberty Posts: 1,784 ✭✭✭
    A great looking coin that will go into a great set.

    Of possible interest to some, it is believed this B-2 die marriage
    was used to make some proof coins, which included the quarter
    dollar for the King of Siam presentation set.
    The obverse die was also used for the 1834 B-1 variety & the reverse
    die for the 1834 B-5 & 1835 B-2 varieties. The B-2 of 1834 usually
    has the two dies rotated to some degree, as is TDN's coin.
    The above comments were discussed in the Tompkins, Early United
    States Quarters book and the Rea, Peterson, Karoleff & Kovach book,
    Early Quarter Dollars of the United States Mint.

    I feel the MS-64 grade is due in part to the glossiness issue, as was
    stated and the flatness of the star strike at this stage of the die. The
    toning has a darker speckled appearance and there may have been
    some concern as to what lies beneath. Also, PCGS had previously graded
    the coin a 64 in another holder.
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    ANACONDAANACONDA Posts: 4,692


    << <i>...there may have been some concern as to what lies beneath... >>



    What do you think lies beneath, or what do you think they think lies beneath?

    FYI, TDN has had a pretty rough April (numismatically speaking), and he may need some time out from coin criticism so my suggestion is you just made a mistake about `what lies beneath`. Just a suggestion.
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    roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,374 ✭✭✭✭✭
    A few weak stars is usually not enough to keep a great looking coin out of gem. As others have mentioned there are probably a few stray marks as well as some
    minute high point friction. You'll see orig and blazing capped bust quarters in 65 holders where 25% of the eagle's feathers are weak...the 1818/15 is a good
    example of that. The priority is always eye appeal, luster, and marks. This coin has plenty of eye appeal and luster.

    roadrunner
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