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.07 Grams Under Weight 1911 5$ Is It Real/Guess Grade?

Just picked this up and I am not sure if I should have, the sellers story of finding it under floor boards in a demo he did was odd to say the least.

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  • JamesMJamesM Posts: 757
    And if you guys could tell me what to look for on these coins I understand they made a few fakes from real gold over the years

    Thanks!
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  • I am just learning myself about counterfeits, but will give it a shot. The weight sounds right based on apparent wear.

    There are some strange depressions on the coin, like on the back of the Indian's neck. Looks suspicious to me, interested in hearing other opinions myself.

  • JamesMJamesM Posts: 757
    thanks for your help
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  • It looks ok , i would wonder about the weight difference though , ive a circulated 1910 and the weight isnt off at all , perhaps your scales are ?
  • I hate when sellers have weird stories, I think this coin is about VF.

    Does anyone think whether the overall wear on the surfaces corresponds to that on the reeding?
  • ranshdowranshdow Posts: 1,442 ✭✭✭✭
    That coin looks weird- the Indian's and eagle's silhouette look too cut-out, plus that eagle's got this grin like he's getting away with something.

    The field surfaces of that coin look cast, like on a poured gold bar.

    Fishy! But I'm no expert in this series.
  • relicsncoinsrelicsncoins Posts: 8,110 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I hate when sellers have weird stories, I think this coin is about VF.

    Does anyone think whether the overall wear on the surfaces corresponds to that on the reeding? >>



    That was my concern. I would think that the amount of wear on the reeding does not correspond with the amount of wear on the obv and rev. I wonder if it was used ins some kind of bezel or other jewelry that protected the reeding.
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  • BigEBigE Posts: 6,949 ✭✭✭
    Its a fake, 98.99 % sure---------------BigE
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  • darktonedarktone Posts: 8,437 ✭✭✭
    Looks real to me.
  • FrankcoinsFrankcoins Posts: 4,572 ✭✭✭
    Real F15
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  • JamesMJamesM Posts: 757


    << <i>Its a fake, 98.99 % sure---------------BigE >>



    why is that?
    I am more or less sure the gold is real i could do a SP test on it and let you guys know

    its not .7 grams its .07 grams keep in mind most scales only go to .X not .xx
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  • tightbudgettightbudget Posts: 7,299 ✭✭✭
    Looks real to me.
  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,318 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looks all good to me.
  • secondrepublicsecondrepublic Posts: 2,619 ✭✭✭
    I'm no expert, but it doesn't make much sense for someone to counterfeit a relatively common date $5 Indian -- just to shave off .07 gram of gold? Where is the return in that kind of activity? image
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  • JamesMJamesM Posts: 757
    I know it was done to avoid a VAT tax in Europe in the 60's on.
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  • I would buy it as real
  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,775 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looks real to me.
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  • I see no problem with it. Weight is fine. Verify the diameter and thickness and you're good to go.


  • << <i>I see no problem with it. Weight is fine. Verify the diameter and thickness and you're good to go. >>



    Done before I paid for it, thanks for the confidence boost guys

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  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,942 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Real, VF20 or so. A bit of a difference in the stars immediately left of date
    but I'm not concerned and think you are okay on it. Reeding is nice and
    sharp like it was protected somehow which is weird but I still say okay.

    bob
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  • stealerstealer Posts: 4,035 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I'm no expert, but it doesn't make much sense for someone to counterfeit a relatively common date $5 Indian -- just to shave off .07 gram of gold? Where is the return in that kind of activity? image >>


    Why not? If they're going to counterfeit 1958 wheaties then they'll counterfeit common date $5 golds.
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,876 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This series has been heavily counterfeited but your coin looks real and would grade VF20. I've never seen a very low grade counterfeit U.S. gold coin that was heavily worn. Usually fake gold coins are mint state or high end AU.



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  • I'm as from being an expert as anyone can get; I just do not remember the stars being so unsymmetrical.

    Edit: BigE, what do you see?
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  • I get these graded even if they're this well-worn precisely because of the counterfeiting problem. This is a situation in which even a Genuine Not Gradable holder is better than nothing.
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  • streeterstreeter Posts: 4,312 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Something's not right with that coin and I can't put my finger on it.

    Lotsa dirt on the obverse and reverse but no dirt in the reeding. Did somebody clean the reeding?

    Quite a bit of wear on the headdress and eagles shoulder but not corresponding reeding or edge wear. Very little wear on eagles neck or beak or breast---and way too much on the shoulder.

    just thinking outloud.
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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,775 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Something's not right with that coin and I can't put my finger on it.

    Lotsa dirt on the obverse and reverse but no dirt in the reeding. Did somebody clean the reeding?

    Quite a bit of wear on the headdress and eagles shoulder but not corresponding reeding or edge wear. Very little wear on eagles neck or beak or breast---and way too much on the shoulder.

    just thinking outloud. >>



    Perhaps it was worn as jewelry in a bezel, which could account for the odd wear pattern.
    TD
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  • BigEBigE Posts: 6,949 ✭✭✭
    The eagles feathers and the depression outlining the eagle appear to have been re-carved, there are pits in the field that appear to be from the coin being casted, the rim is all wrong and the antique finish appears to be dyed. These are the only problems I seeimage------------BigE
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  • BigEBigE Posts: 6,949 ✭✭✭
    ......................but if purchased for melt or back, and the assay is correct, who cares, right? I would definitely buy another coin if I had an even choice, or stay away all together if this wasn't a deal---------------BigE
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  • FrankcoinsFrankcoins Posts: 4,572 ✭✭✭
    The reeded edge is sharp consistent with use in a screw top bezel.

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  • telephoto1telephoto1 Posts: 4,964 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I agree. Ex-jewelry, but a choice Fine max.

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