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Has anyone ever charted "Watchers" vs. "Bidders" on eBay?

Has anyone tried to analyze the relationship between "watchers" and "bidders" on eBay? I have 8 auctions listed with 66 watchers... and 4 bidders. The auctions end in 2 days.

What do you think motivates most "watchers"... they're actually interested in purchasing the item? they want to see what the item is worth? they haven't found the US Coin Forum and spend all their time on eBay? image
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  • savoyspecialsavoyspecial Posts: 7,311 ✭✭✭✭
    i have found the relationship between the two to be completely random

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  • Batman23Batman23 Posts: 5,001 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>i have found the relationship between the two to be completely random >>



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    I have had watchers with little to no bid action. I have had several watchers with little bid action. I think there are a lot of interested/curious persons for varying reasons that want to see the ending price. You always hope that with all those watchers there are a few waiting for the snipe during the last 5 seconds.
  • AnkurJAnkurJ Posts: 11,370 ✭✭✭✭
    Number of watchers usually has nothing to do with actual bidders. I have an item up right now with 35 watchers. Its a buy it now that has been there for over a month!
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  • derrybderryb Posts: 37,691 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Many of your watchers may have no interest in purchasing. They may be competitors or holders of a like coin trying to gauge its value.

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  • 19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,492 ✭✭✭✭
    The ONLY time you should be concerned with the Watchers/Bidders numbers is if you have an item up for .99 with no bids and one watcher.

    What I do, when I see an item I have an interest in bidding on, I'll watch it and then place a minimum bid.

    If I am simply interested in what the item sells for, I'll just watch it.

    Bidders, encourage other bidders but bidders do not know how many folks are "watching", only the number that are "bidding".

    It doesn't make any sense and won;t unless eBay begins to report the number of "watchers" a particular item has just like Heritage.
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  • melvin289melvin289 Posts: 3,019
    I have a bid in on a site, not eBay, and am also watching the item. There is one other watcher on this item. I am also watching another coin and can't bid on both items at the moment. The problem they both end at the same time. I wish the other watcher would go ahead and outbid me and I would bid on the other item I am watching. What will happen, I will probably be outbid, maybe, on the item I have bid on and miss getting to bid on the other coin. Such is life.

    I have bid what I think is a fair amount on the coin I have bid on but I don't know the other watchers intention.

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  • llafoellafoe Posts: 7,220 ✭✭


    << <i>Bidders, encourage other bidders but bidders do not know how many folks are "watching", only the number that are "bidding".

    It doesn't make any sense and won;t unless eBay begins to report the number of "watchers" a particular item has just like Heritage. >>



    If eBay revealed the number of watchers, I expect it would create a demand that may not have existed elsewise... maybe you could suggest that to eBay and ask for a royalty for the first 12 months! image
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  • nutmegnutmeg Posts: 345 ✭✭
    Sometimes I will watch an item because it's very similar to one I have. Other times I watch because I don't believe it will sell for the way overpriced BIN or starting bid. Most of the time the very overpriced stuff does not sell.
  • Steve27Steve27 Posts: 13,275 ✭✭✭
    I don't believe it's possible to analyze such a relationship due to the inability to see failed snipe attempts. By this I mean a potential bidder will watch a coin, input a snipe, but if that snipe is less than the current bid at the end of the auction, it's never seen.
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  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,395 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Has anyone tried to analyze the relationship between "watchers" and "bidders" on eBay? I have 8 auctions listed with 66 watchers... and 4 bidders. The auctions end in 2 days.

    What do you think motivates most "watchers"... they're actually interested in purchasing the item? they want to see what the item is worth? they haven't found the US Coin Forum and spend all their time on eBay? image >>



    Most of the stuff I watch on eBay, TeleTrade, etc. is on my wish list as opposed to my get list.
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  • questor54questor54 Posts: 1,351
    I use the watching feature on eBay to tag items I might want to look at more closely - I will browse hundreds of items, so it helps me keep track. If, during my first browsing, I will often put a low-ball token bid on an item if I am sure I am interested (bad tactics, I know). In either case, the item is then easier for me to investigate.
  • ianrussellianrussell Posts: 2,498 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I did some unofficial studies across two categories on eBay about six months ago - coins and books (my brother sells a lot of books on there), and we found no correlation between watchers, bids and whether the item will sell. It went against my gut feeling that there must be some number of watchers that will almost always ensure an item will sell.

    Additionally, eBay seems to suggest that by having a number of watchers is a good reason to relist the item (and pay the listing fee again), but I've not experienced this either.

    I'll be doing similar studies on GreatCollections, since we disclose how many watchers there are for each item on our item pages. Will report back when I have enough data in a few months.

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  • phehpheh Posts: 1,588
    I only run pure auctions (sub $1 start, no reserve) and I track watchers and finish price.

    And while I don't have a lot of insight to add, I would advise that savvy grouping of high dollar high interest items with items that fall more into the widget status pays off virtually every time.

    As for any relationships to be tied to number of page views->watchers->bidders->final price. I can only say that when I see an item with a ratio at or above 4:1 (views:watchers) I can, without fail, rest easy that the item will sell for at or above fair market value.
  • ModCrewmanModCrewman Posts: 4,041 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Well I got burned with watching an auction with no bidders earlier this week. The auction had a starting price at about melt and was poorly described. I was watching and preparing to bid as the auction neared close and the guy closed his auction early...I was probably willing to pay 2-3x the starting bid...and now lost the chance completely.
  • fiveNdimefiveNdime Posts: 1,088 ✭✭


    << <i>What do you think motivates most "watchers"... they're actually interested in purchasing the item? they want to see what the item is worth? >>


    some items have multiple sellers, ive used that for comparison shopping.
    and closing price.

    i like to know what other items sold for, "market price"
    it still amazes me to see identical items (not necessarily coins) that will sell for $40 from 1 seller with 1 bidder and another for $50 with 5 different bidders.
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  • paladinpaladin Posts: 898 ✭✭


    << <i>Well I got burned with watching an auction with no bidders earlier this week. The auction had a starting price at about melt and was poorly described. I was watching and preparing to bid as the auction neared close and the guy closed his auction early...I was probably willing to pay 2-3x the starting bid...and now lost the chance completely. >>




    That's happened to me several times. Now I usually place a minimum bid if it's something I really want.


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  • LindeDadLindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think there are too many variables that come into play.
    True Actions. Where did the lister put the start price.
    Fixed price listings. Only one bidder and it's over. High price for the item might get a lot of watchers to see if it sells. Listed too low and it's gone too soon.
    Items with bullion value. Many like to list these as low start to save fees and normally get enough bids to get it to base value.
    How popular the series is. I listed two dollars yesterday one has three views and the other has seven views and one bid today. Yes different series.
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  • 19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,492 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Bidders, encourage other bidders but bidders do not know how many folks are "watching", only the number that are "bidding".

    It doesn't make any sense and won;t unless eBay begins to report the number of "watchers" a particular item has just like Heritage. >>



    If eBay revealed the number of watchers, I expect it would create a demand that may not have existed elsewise... maybe you could suggest that to eBay and ask for a royalty for the first 12 months! image >>

    If that were to happen, my whining about eBay would cease.


    For 12 months!
    I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.



    The name is LEE!
  • yellowkidyellowkid Posts: 5,486
    There is no relationship. I have had ten watchers and no bidders, and no watchers and four people coming in at the end. They are only "watchers" if they go through eBay to track it, if you bookmark on your own PC you don't exist.

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