Some questions about the Silver Proof Ike Dollars, 1971-1974.

keets · March 16, 2011 7:49AM

I have some nicely toned Silver Eisenhower Dollars, the Brown Box Proofs that were released in the GSA-like holders. As many know they weren't very stable and often toned in soft blue tones and nice target/bullseye shades of all colors. I have a few that I'm considering for encapsulation in order to complete a PCGS graded set. Certainly leaving them in the holders is an option, but that's not what the thread is about.

I hoped to get some advice about how/what to do and what others have had success with. Here's what I figure I can do:

Option #1 is to crack the coins out and send them to PCGS. However, there is the chance they won't grade them. If that happens it's a bad thing, I don't have a PCGS encapsulated coin or one in the original holder.

Option #2 is to send the coins in the holder to NGC where they'll grade them intact. Then I could send them to PCGS for a crossover.

Has anyone sent these kinds of coins to PCGS raw?? Were they graded or returned in a BB/Genuine holder?? What about crossovers in the NGC graded shells?? Thanks in advance.

Al H.

Caleb · March 16, 2011 7:59AM

How abouit option 3:

Send them to PCGS in the original government holders to PCGS for grading. That way they can see that the coin toned inside of the holder. Let PCGS crack them out if they make your minimum grade.

Just a thought

PTVETTER · March 16, 2011 8:00AM

I think you can send them to PCGS in the holder and they will crack them out and grade them, just like the GSA dollars

keets · March 16, 2011 8:14AM

would the graders know they had come intact??

ModCrewman · March 16, 2011 10:28AM

<< would the graders know they had come intact?? >>

I think that's a valid question Keets. However, don't you think that type of toning is common enough on the Ikes that they'd recognize it regardless?

mrearlygold · March 16, 2011 10:32AM

You can always sell them to me in the boxes

mrearlygold · March 16, 2011 10:32AM

Sheesh, did I say that?

MsMorrisine · March 16, 2011 11:08AM

<< would the graders know they had come intact?? >>

ask DW

19Lyds · March 16, 2011 11:17AM

As long as these have original seals, you shouldn't have any problems Al. However, do not expect any PR69DCAMs on Toned IKE Proofs.

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All the above were submitted without the government cases.

keets · March 16, 2011 11:34AM

the 69DCAM award isn't what i'm after.

19Lyds · March 17, 2011 2:14AM

<< the 69DCAM award isn't what i'm after. >>

Be sure to share your result then cause I'm interested in what your submitting now.

Care to post some pre-submission photo's?

ModCrewman · March 17, 2011 2:18AM

<< However, do not expect any PR69DCAMs on Toned IKE Proofs. >>

Sorry to ask the obvious but was that a tongue in cheek comment Lee? Or did you gas those in the slab?

19Lyds · March 17, 2011 4:43AM

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<< However, do not expect any PR69DCAMs on Toned IKE Proofs. >>

Sorry to ask the obvious but was that a tongue in cheek comment Lee? Or did you gas those in the slab?

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No it wasn't a "tongue and cheek" comment. Toning has a tendency to mask certain surface flaws which would prevent the PR69 grade. A lack of mirrors can prevent a DCAM designation.

And I don't particularly care for your implying that I gas slabs. If you'd ever spent anytime looking at enough Silver Proof IKE dollars, you'd know that what I stated and showed are all accurate representations of what can happen to these coins.

Browns, Blues and Greens are all quite common on 71-S, 72-S, and 73-S. 74-S's have a tendency toward target toning in hue's of Blue and Lavendar. More than likely, all due to whatever rinsing agent was used prior to the planchets being minted.

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Now take it back.

ModCrewman · March 17, 2011 5:49AM

<< And I don't particularly care for your implying that I gas slabs. If you'd ever spent anytime looking at enough Silver Proof IKE dollars, you'd know that what I stated and showed are all accurate representations of what can happen to these coins. >>

Major FAIL on me.

I do SINCERELY apologize that my comment was taken as a serious jab at your integrity. That comment itself was intended to be "tongue in cheek". In actuality, I failed to fully review the slabs you showed, noting only the DCAM designation; not the fact that they'd not attained the numeric grade you had referenced. Accordingly, I interpreted your post as saying "Don't you expect 69DCAM's, but look at all mine." which was the source of my confusion and was clearly not your intent. I DO recognize your expertise in the Ike Dollar field...which is why I seriously asked for the clarification.

Now..how do we not have a "Sorry" smiley?

Edit - and unless anyone is confused...I DO take it back.

19Lyds · March 17, 2011 6:28AM

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<< And I don't particularly care for your implying that I gas slabs. If you'd ever spent anytime looking at enough Silver Proof IKE dollars, you'd know that what I stated and showed are all accurate representations of what can happen to these coins. >>

Major FAIL on me.

I do SINCERELY apologize that my comment was taken as a serious jab at your integrity. That comment itself was intended to be "tongue in cheek". In actuality, I failed to fully review the slabs you showed, noting only the DCAM designation; not the fact that they'd not attained the numeric grade you had referenced. Accordingly, I interpreted your post as saying "Don't you expect 69DCAM's, but look at all mine." which was the source of my confusion and was clearly not your intent. I DO recognize your expertise in the Ike Dollar field...which is why I seriously asked for the clarification.

Now..how do we not have a "Sorry" smiley?

Edit - and unless anyone is confused...I DO take it back. >>

Apology accepted.

keets · March 17, 2011 7:21AM

Lee, a couple are the entirely blue and a nice target toned 1974. i also have a few raw "rainbow" ones but i can't remember if i bought them in the holders or already cracked out. the main reason i'm not concerned about the grade is as you said, PCGS will typically not grade thesehigher than 68 and often don't grade them DCAM due the mirrors. i accept that though i don't necessarily agree with it.

MikeInFL · March 17, 2011 1:28PM

Al, If I were you, I would crack away and send them raw. I've seen some very pretty 74s, and have always wanted to add one to my collection, but mostly in 68 and below. Someone earlier nailed it about PCGS and grading this series -- they do NOT like haze, even if it's pretty. Sad, actually, because many of the 74s, and some of the earlier coins are more attractive that way, IMO, and the result is they get dipped.

Anyway, good luck with your submission and let us know how you do! ...Mike

MikeInFL · March 17, 2011 1:29PM

p.s. Lee, I think MCM meant to say you had gas. lol

coinsarefun · March 17, 2011 5:33PM

I just cracked mine out and sent it in.

Edited to add, this was my image

baddogss · March 17, 2011 8:52PM

Which picture most represents the coin in-hand?

<< I just cracked mine out and sent it in.

Edited to add, this was my image

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Some questions about the Silver Proof Ike Dollars, 1971-1974.

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