Newp Dirty Gold! Guess the grade!

AnkurJ · March 13, 2011 1:34PM

She is slabbed, I won't say by who.
Thoughts?

AJ

ChrisRx · March 13, 2011 1:35PM

NGC MS62

tightbudget · March 13, 2011 1:38PM

ANACS 55

llafoe · March 13, 2011 1:40PM

NGC 61

streeter · March 13, 2011 1:51PM

a rather lightly struck 55.

roadrunner · March 13, 2011 2:39PM

AU58.

Probably had a lot more dirt on it years ago.

roadrunner

CoinJunkie · March 13, 2011 2:50PM

I'll go with AU58.

deltadimeman · March 13, 2011 4:32PM

ms61

AnkurJ · March 14, 2011 3:20AM

ttt

IrishMikey · March 14, 2011 3:34AM

AU-55. Looks like either an NGC or an ANACS white holder, from the light areas showing
around the edge.

Broadstruck · March 14, 2011 3:48AM

This is not the same level of dirty as generally used to describe filthy gold, as it's actually mighty clean gold with just some trace crud.

RYK · March 14, 2011 7:23AM

<< This is not the same level of dirty as generally used to describe filthy gold, as it's actually mighty clean gold with just some trace crud. >>

Agree.

DorkGirl · March 14, 2011 7:26AM

Now you will need to change the title of the thread to "mighty clean gold with just some trace crud".

DorkGirl · March 14, 2011 7:27AM

BTW, that was my first thought also.

AnkurJ · March 14, 2011 10:00AM

Anyone else care to guess the GRADE?

chumley · March 14, 2011 10:01AM

ms 63

PerryHall · March 14, 2011 10:06AM

AU55 There appears to be too much luster disturbance in the fields and too many tick marks for the AU58 grade.

RYK · March 14, 2011 10:26AM

I am going to opine that the grade on the slab does not matter. As all of the respondents have indicated, the grade is almost certainly in the AU-55 and MS-62 range (unless it is BB coin). Between AU-55 and MS-62, the PCGS price guide value rises from $530 to a whopping $600. The Heritage price spread is $440 to $500. Unless the coin is a 63 ($1350 at PCGS; $1150 at Heritage), the grade does not dictate the coin's value, and as a result, the grading company spends little time and effort assigning it, in my experience.

CharlotteDude · March 14, 2011 11:58AM

I'm with the AU-55 crowd.

'dude

JRocco · March 14, 2011 12:18PM

<< I am going to opine that the grade on the slab does not matter. As all of the respondents have indicated, the grade is almost certainly in the AU-55 and MS-62 range (unless it is BB coin). Between AU-55 and MS-62, the PCGS price guide value rises from $530 to a whopping $600. The Heritage price spread is $440 to $500. Unless the coin is a 63 ($1350 at PCGS; $1150 at Heritage), the grade does not dictate the coin's value, and as a result, the grading company spends little time and effort assigning it, in my experience. >>

Hey RYK
That was a really good breakdown from someone with obvious strong knowledge of this slice of the gold market.

PerryHall · March 14, 2011 11:13PM

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<< I am going to opine that the grade on the slab does not matter. As all of the respondents have indicated, the grade is almost certainly in the AU-55 and MS-62 range (unless it is BB coin). Between AU-55 and MS-62, the PCGS price guide value rises from $530 to a whopping $600. The Heritage price spread is $440 to $500. Unless the coin is a 63 ($1350 at PCGS; $1150 at Heritage), the grade does not dictate the coin's value, and as a result, the grading company spends little time and effort assigning it, in my experience. >>

Hey RYK
That was a really good breakdown from someone with obvious strong knowledge of this slice of the gold market.

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Anyone with a price guide could have figured this out. The OP asked about the grade and not about the coin's value.

RYK · March 14, 2011 11:33PM

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<< I am going to opine that the grade on the slab does not matter. As all of the respondents have indicated, the grade is almost certainly in the AU-55 and MS-62 range (unless it is BB coin). Between AU-55 and MS-62, the PCGS price guide value rises from $530 to a whopping $600. The Heritage price spread is $440 to $500. Unless the coin is a 63 ($1350 at PCGS; $1150 at Heritage), the grade does not dictate the coin's value, and as a result, the grading company spends little time and effort assigning it, in my experience. >>

Hey RYK
That was a really good breakdown from someone with obvious strong knowledge of this slice of the gold market.

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Anyone with a price guide could have figured this out. The OP asked about the grade and not about the coin's value. >>

I did not know that my reply was limited to a two digit number. In the future, I will have you filter my preview my responses to threads, so that I will not have to be publicly reprimanded when my answer does not suit your expectations.

RobertS · March 14, 2011 11:46PM

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<< I am going to opine that the grade on the slab does not matter. As all of the respondents have indicated, the grade is almost certainly in the AU-55 and MS-62 range (unless it is BB coin). Between AU-55 and MS-62, the PCGS price guide value rises from $530 to a whopping $600. The Heritage price spread is $440 to $500. Unless the coin is a 63 ($1350 at PCGS; $1150 at Heritage), the grade does not dictate the coin's value, and as a result, the grading company spends little time and effort assigning it, in my experience. >>

Hey RYK
That was a really good breakdown from someone with obvious strong knowledge of this slice of the gold market.

>>

Anyone with a price guide could have figured this out. The OP asked about the grade and not about the coin's value. >>

I did not know that my reply was limited to a two digit number. In the future, I will have you filter my preview my responses to threads, so that I will not have to be publicly reprimanded when my answer does not suit your expectations.

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Talking about dirty gold, I have a couple such coins already graded but I looked at them under the loupe for the first time and I was horrified when I saw the black crud, I imagine this impacts the coin. Can they be dipped? Will it remove the black crud? As far as the coin posted, I have no clue what the grade is.

Broadstruck · March 14, 2011 11:52PM

<< I am going to opine that the grade on the slab does not matter. As all of the respondents have indicated, the grade is almost certainly in the AU-55 and MS-62 range (unless it is BB coin). Between AU-55 and MS-62, the PCGS price guide value rises from $530 to a whopping $600. The Heritage price spread is $440 to $500. Unless the coin is a 63 ($1350 at PCGS; $1150 at Heritage), the grade does not dictate the coin's value, and as a result, the grading company spends little time and effort assigning it, in my experience. >>

I really liked this as it an insight that the grade for most parts on common date $5 W/M Libs is irrelevant...

Just buy the AU55 to MS62 coin that fancies your eye and forget about the TPG assigned grade.

PQueue · March 14, 2011 11:57PM

TPG graded as AU58.

Broadstruck · March 14, 2011 11:59PM

<< Talking about dirty gold, I have a couple such coins already graded but I looked at them under the loupe for the first time and I was horrified when I saw the black crud, I imagine this impacts the coin. Can they be dipped? Will it remove the black crud? As far as the coin posted, I have no clue what the grade is. >>

RobertS, It's not patina, it's encrusted crud so it may not just dip off as it's clingy.

If you find it bothersome and it's already graded it's better to just sell it and find new examples you like better.

As there's already enough stripped gold on the browse floor.

crypto79 · March 15, 2011 12:12AM

55 and an average coin IMO, Aukur has a good eye once he figures what to look for and i suspect that he is currently tightening his shot group on Cir gold as we speak and will post many thousands of dollars of gems by NLT next week

PerryHall · March 15, 2011 12:39AM

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<< I am going to opine that the grade on the slab does not matter. As all of the respondents have indicated, the grade is almost certainly in the AU-55 and MS-62 range (unless it is BB coin). Between AU-55 and MS-62, the PCGS price guide value rises from $530 to a whopping $600. The Heritage price spread is $440 to $500. Unless the coin is a 63 ($1350 at PCGS; $1150 at Heritage), the grade does not dictate the coin's value, and as a result, the grading company spends little time and effort assigning it, in my experience. >>

Hey RYK
That was a really good breakdown from someone with obvious strong knowledge of this slice of the gold market.

>>

Anyone with a price guide could have figured this out. The OP asked about the grade and not about the coin's value. >>

I did not know that my reply was limited to a two digit number. In the future, I will have you filter my preview my responses to threads, so that I will not have to be publicly reprimanded when my answer does not suit your expectations.

>>

Sorry, RYK. I shouldn't have made that post and I apologise. Now that we are discussing price/value of this coin, this is a perfect example of buying the highest grade before the big jump in price. I am always willing to pay a little more to get the next higher grade but there is a point of diminishing returns where the next grade is just not worth the large price increment.

streeter · March 15, 2011 3:35AM

Perry,
<<....this is a perfect example of buying the highest grade before the big jump in price. I am always willing to pay a little more to get the next higher grade but there is a point of diminishing returns where the next grade is just not worth the large price increment.>>>

This philosophy will cost you a lot of money with generic circ gold unless you are just riding the bullion market and the wave is with you. For example, buying 60-62 2.5/5/10 generic libs---they're usually ugly goins. Buying those same coins in 63 is just as comfortable as standing in a cold shower ripping up 100 dollar bills.---UNLESS you're talking about cherrypicking for type.

I agree that --generally speaking---buying 58 gold is better than buying 45 gold.....probably there will never be a collectible base to support acceleration of au values beyond it's bullion value---- (unless it's better date.)----for small gold ---in late nineteenth century---in our lifetime. The only exception to this might be if gold becomes SO COLLECTIBLE by Americans that there is no unc stuff around. That's basically what happened with branch mint libs.

If there is a breakout in price in almost unc values...it'll be very selective. In the last ten years some generic 58 libs have become scarcer but the values have not reflected that. There still is a lot out there.

If you care to disagree, I possess a thick skin and don't take umbridge.

Newp Dirty Gold! Guess the grade!

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