<< <i>Maybe I'm wrong but I just typed "PCGS old" into the eBay search bar and out of the first 5 results 3 were 3.5 slabs. 1 2 3 Looking through the rest of the page it seems like there's a boatload of them. >>
Those are the PCGS 4.0 slabs as BAJJERFAN and NOTSURE have already stated.
Indeed there is still a boatload left of them, probably at least 100,000 of them left ?
But their population is dropping fast too as they get cracked out.
What version is this? 3.5? Slab insert is yellow and 0 have the slash through them. I have owned this for along time and never realized the older slabs were scarce.
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If I say something in the woods, and my wife isn't around. Am I still wrong?
I love rattlers, and doilies, and green labels. But beyond that this is getting nuts! Those are the big three categories for older slabs. I have read these threads and studied them a bit, and I honestly can't figure out what the difference is beyond rattler, doily, and green holder. Yes, I know when there is the outer ring too and have a coin like that, but really, beyond that it is confusing!
Hey, I am a collector at heart, and can get so detailed into the things I collect, so I totally know how the slab afficionados can get so detailed. But if people are paying a premium because something is a 2.5 or 2.65, then I would be cautious because many collectors like myself do not care beyond rattler, doily, green label etc. Then of course, some do not care at all.
Partagas...the slab you show is a 4. According to the link I posted, Conder101 says this about the 4 and it's cert:
"PCGS 4 This is the first of the "Green Label" slabs. (While the previous labels may have had a green tint to them, this slab was the first where the label was a definite pale green label!) Unfortunately the green color in the label was not stable and the labels of this variety had a tendency to change color over time. Sometimes the blue pigment breaks down and the label becomes more and more yellow sometimes reaching amost a Canary yellow. Other times the yelow breaks down and the label becomes more blue. I have seen a couple of these where the label is a brighter blue than is seen on the current slabs. One identifying feature of this variety is the large font used in the serial numbers. The serial number begins at or slightly to the left of the left edge of the barcode below it. The shell is now a one part slab with the stacking edge an intergral part of the shell. This holder was used from Jan of 1990 through some time in 1995."
Realize, as I explained in my prior posts.....ANY slab that does NOT have the outer ring (some call it the 'slab in a slab'), CANNOT be a 2.0-3.5...unless, as I said, the outer ring is broken off (then it'll look like a 'rattler')...if no outer ring, then it is a 4 or later. Also, notice where 'PCGS' is on the slab...on the bottom right. Look at the 2 examples I gave, in regard to where you see PCGS imprinted (where I drew the feeble circles) ON the front of the slab (not on the insert). You can clearly see yours does not have an outer ring, and PCGS is stamped in the bottom right corner of the slab. Also, you can clearly see the stacking edge at the corners of the slab. Conder101's comments explains your insert turning yellow.
Here is yet another ebay purchase I recently made. A date run of 4 Saints from 1924 to 1927. This is amazing. In 15 YEARS of looking I have not found a single set run like this of the PCGS 3.5 slabs.
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<< <i>Just to clear up confusion on the 2.0-3.5 issue, first, there MUST be an outer ring...no ring, and it's a newer slab (again, unless that ring is broken off, which seems to happen frequently, which makes it look like a 'rattler'). Now, using Bajjerfan's image (hope you don't mind Bajjer, but it's only due to laziness and I have a class at 2:30pm coming up), I have circled where the PCGS is on the 2.0, 2.5, 3.0, 3.5 slabs in this image:
On the PCGS 4, and newer slabs, I have circled where PCGS is in this image (pretty much where the bottom right pin is in the image):
That should pretty much clear up any confusion as to whether a slab is a 2.0-3.5. Remember, refer to this thread by Conder101...look at them and you'll see the subtle changes...but the changes are not so subtle between a 3.5 and 4 and newer. Hope this helps clear up confusion in determining the difference of a 2.0-3.5, and those beyond the 3.5....off to class now! >>
Good work and thanks for the eye opening diagnosis but do not forget to mention the "die cut" rounded corners on the label since this is what made this variety standout in the first place.
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<< <i>Partagas...the slab you show is a 4. According to the link I posted, Conder101 says this about the 4 and it's cert:
"PCGS 4 This is the first of the "Green Label" slabs. (While the previous labels may have had a green tint to them, this slab was the first where the label was a definite pale green label!) Unfortunately the green color in the label was not stable and the labels of this variety had a tendency to change color over time. Sometimes the blue pigment breaks down and the label becomes more and more yellow sometimes reaching amost a Canary yellow. Other times the yelow breaks down and the label becomes more blue. I have seen a couple of these where the label is a brighter blue than is seen on the current slabs. One identifying feature of this variety is the large font used in the serial numbers. The serial number begins at or slightly to the left of the left edge of the barcode below it. The shell is now a one part slab with the stacking edge an intergral part of the shell. This holder was used from Jan of 1990 through some time in 1995."
Realize, as I explained in my prior posts.....ANY slab that does NOT have the outer ring (some call it the 'slab in a slab'), CANNOT be a 2.0-3.5...unless, as I said, the outer ring is broken off (then it'll look like a 'rattler')...if no outer ring, then it is a 4 or later. Also, notice where 'PCGS' is on the slab...on the bottom right. Look at the 2 examples I gave, in regard to where you see PCGS imprinted (where I drew the feeble circles) ON the front of the slab (not on the insert). You can clearly see yours does not have an outer ring, and PCGS is stamped in the bottom right corner of the slab. Also, you can clearly see the stacking edge at the corners of the slab. Conder101's comments explains your insert turning yellow. >>
I refer to these slabs as "Limey's" since not only does the label fade but the insert holding the coin can also turn a "lime green"!
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I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.
They are out there in higher numbers than you believe. The day you made the original post I went on ebay and did a quick look through the PCGS certified coins to find the following-
I know what to look for in these holders and the diagnostics were correct. There may have been more listed at the time, but I did not go through all of them.
<< <i>They are out there in higher numbers than you believe. The day you made the original post I went on ebay and did a quick look through the PCGS certified coins to find the following- PCGS 2.0: 25 coins PCGS 2.5: 3 coins PCGS 3.0: 0 coins PCGS 3.5: 5 coins I know what to look for in these holders and the diagnostics were correct. There may have been more listed at the time, but I did not go through all of them. >>
You may very well be right. We will not be sure until we do a concerted slab count over the next few years. My slab counts are admittedly just an unscientific guess based on past experience.
But I must admit the following. I have been looking at various auction venues over the last three to five plus years and seen four of them while 100 doilies have appeared.
All of a sudden in the last two weeks, I managed to view EIGHT of them with Lakesammman helping me find FOUR of them in a SINGLE lot.
So as far as the slab count, anything is possible.
Any suggestions on alternative slab counts or are we too early in the game?
<< <i>They are out there in higher numbers than you believe. The day you made the original post I went on ebay and did a quick look through the PCGS certified coins to find the following-
I know what to look for in these holders and the diagnostics were correct. There may have been more listed at the time, but I did not go through all of them. >>
There are 4 of the 3.0 slabs on eBay right now. Did you count those missing the outer ring or only the ones with intact double shells?
<< <i>Just to clear up confusion on the 2.0-3.5 issue, first, there MUST be an outer ring...no ring, and it's a newer slab (again, unless that ring is broken off, which seems to happen frequently, which makes it look like a 'rattler'). Now, using Bajjerfan's image (hope you don't mind Bajjer, but it's only due to laziness and I have a class at 2:30pm coming up), I have circled where the PCGS is on the 2.0, 2.5, 3.0, 3.5 slabs in this image:
On the PCGS 4, and newer slabs, I have circled where PCGS is in this image (pretty much where the bottom right pin is in the image):
That should pretty much clear up any confusion as to whether a slab is a 2.0-3.5. Remember, refer to this thread by Conder101...look at them and you'll see the subtle changes...but the changes are not so subtle between a 3.5 and 4 and newer. Hope this helps clear up confusion in determining the difference of a 2.0-3.5, and those beyond the 3.5....off to class now! >>
Good work and thanks for the eye opening diagnosis but do not forget to mention the "die cut" rounded corners on the label since this is what made this variety standout in the first place. >>
Lee, you are correct. However, when you look on the 'bay, you can see the PCGS logo placement on the 4's and above while looking at the image as a 'thumbnail' (not to mention, you can see the 'pin placement on rattlers through 3.5's...but I have 25 year old eyes, so.......lol... ). Very few times do I need to open it up, unless it's an overly bright image.
Also, though these eyes are only 25, should I run into a 'run of Saints' in Doilies, or 2.5's or 3.5's, having a 25 y.o. college student's BANK ACCOUNT, well, they certainly wouldn't be leaving with me! lol
<< <i>Sorry, I don't see the facination(sp) with the holders thing.
Dimeman, Your not alone! I just don't get that excited about a holder. It's kind of cool to have, but i would only buy it if the holder had a coin I was interested in. Also if it was a sweet price I couldn't pass up.
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Wow. . . . just read this whole thread from top to bottom and a lot of thoughts came up . . .
First, if anyone has a question, just do a search of "PCGS Generations" on our host's search engine. If you pay attention, all will become clear. Here is how I tend to look at things:
First: Is it a Doily? Second: Does it have the 4 alignment pins? (If you don't know what I am talking about, look above at the Conder101 thread.) Third: Do the "PCGS" letters appear on the front of the label?
If you get to that point, you have located a good slab. If not (like a 4-pinner without "PCGS" on the front) . . . do the old "buy the coin and not the slab", deal.
Oh . . . just for the record for you Doily slammers . .
There were exactly 5 of them at Sacramento. 2 were sold and never even made it back to the table of the dealers who bought them before they were sold at a profit (I know their location and am working on them now)The buzz at Sacramento was that collectors (can you say 'MANY'???) were searching them out (crap . .more competition). The only Doilies present did not even survive dealer set-up. I was offered the two that went unsold and the other two I knew about but missed out on (I'll get them later). I was able to consummate a sale on the 5th. Please, keep up the discussion that Doilies are not popular, are not collectible, and are not special. PLEASE! I need the help. At national shows, they are accelerating to warp speed (funny, I don't think those guys are members of this Borad), but the only thing that will allow me to keep collecting them is if we can keep up the perception that they are "plastic", they are "not rare", and that they are strictly in the purview of those who are idiots. All collectors on the Boards . . . pay heed to what posts have gone above!!! Plastic collecting is done by those who are not numismatists, are ex-Beanie-Baby refugees, and live in their Mommy's basements! We all know that!
The few connections I have left who will search for Doilies have now let me know that the competiton for them is intense to the point that they are near-impossible to acquire. I hope all of that is false, I am a nut, and Doilies will fall from the sky so I can lavish in them wantonly . . .but I don't think it will happen.
I travel to the shows. I see what premiums people want. I am in touch. Believe what you would like to believe . . . and have fun with your 17 1909-S-VDBs at every local mom and pop show. Just show me one Doily at any of those . . or any two of those shows . . or three . . or ten.
My apologies . . the drivel has just gone on long enough. I figured that down this deep in the thread no one will see this anyway so I'm safe!!!!
Those holders are rare and worth a premium?! Oops...
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WTCG: I try to use the term "scarce" not rare. I admit I slip once in a while. You know I like various old slabs and in fact, you have found a few of them for me.
These PCGS 3.5 worth a premium? No, not really unless you really like the coin within the slab. But it is so time consuming to locate these slabs that sometimes it pays to stir some publicity on them so that they can be located, especially if the coin is nice in the holder.
It remains to be seen how scarce they really are, as searching for them has been incredibly difficult until the past few weeks.
<< <i>Weren't there more than 5? I know I bought mine after setup. >>
<< <i>Is this 'buying the plastic'? >>
I bought mine on Friday, well after set up. It was the Bay Bridge commemorative in MS63. I keep looking at it and it really looks like an MS65 minimum coin. So even though I overpaid for it as an MS63 coin, I wasn't only buying the plastic, I thought the coin was pretty good as well. Should I crack it and send it for regrade??? Just kidding of course. Actually, it would probably be cool to get a gold sticker on it someday, can't be too many gold stickers on doily holders out there.
<< <i>Wow. . . . just read this whole thread from top to bottom and a lot of thoughts came up . . .
First, if anyone has a question, just do a search of "PCGS Generations" on our host's search engine. If you pay attention, all will become clear. Here is how I tend to look at things:
First: Is it a Doily? Second: Does it have the 4 alignment pins? (If you don't know what I am talking about, look above at the Conder101 thread.) Third: Do the "PCGS" letters appear on the front of the label?
If you get to that point, you have located a good slab. If not (like a 4-pinner without "PCGS" on the front) . . . do the old "buy the coin and not the slab", deal.
Oh . . . just for the record for you Doily slammers . .
There were exactly 5 of them at Sacramento. 2 were sold and never even made it back to the table of the dealers who bought them before they were sold at a profit (I know their location and am working on them now)The buzz at Sacramento was that collectors (can you say 'MANY'???) were searching them out (crap . .more competition). The only Doilies present did not even survive dealer set-up. I was offered the two that went unsold and the other two I knew about but missed out on (I'll get them later). I was able to consummate a sale on the 5th. Please, keep up the discussion that Doilies are not popular, are not collectible, and are not special. PLEASE! I need the help. At national shows, they are accelerating to warp speed (funny, I don't think those guys are members of this Borad), but the only thing that will allow me to keep collecting them is if we can keep up the perception that they are "plastic", they are "not rare", and that they are strictly in the purview of those who are idiots. All collectors on the Boards . . . pay heed to what posts have gone above!!! Plastic collecting is done by those who are not numismatists, are ex-Beanie-Baby refugees, and live in their Mommy's basements! We all know that!
The few connections I have left who will search for Doilies have now let me know that the competiton for them is intense to the point that they are near-impossible to acquire. I hope all of that is false, I am a nut, and Doilies will fall from the sky so I can lavish in them wantonly . . .but I don't think it will happen.
I travel to the shows. I see what premiums people want. I am in touch. Believe what you would like to believe . . . and have fun with your 17 1909-S-VDBs at every local mom and pop show. Just show me one Doily at any of those . . or any two of those shows . . or three . . or ten.
My apologies . . the drivel has just gone on long enough. I figured that down this deep in the thread no one will see this anyway so I'm safe!!!!
Drunner (Just a Doily Idiot) >>
So THAT is the reason I did not see any doilies at the SAC ANA. I looked, but Friday afternoon was just toooooooooo late!
I can understand a slab that was issued at a certain 'undergraded' time may have potential value (as a possible crackout upgrade), but if I'm reading you right and you're saying a PCGS slab of 'low mintage' due to its short time of issue is bringing a premium price, then I have to say "this is truly getting ridiculous!"
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<< <i>Maybe I'm wrong but I just typed "PCGS old" into the eBay search bar and out of the first 5 results 3 were 3.5 slabs. 1 2 3 Looking through the rest of the page it seems like there's a boatload of them. >>
Those are the PCGS 4.0 slabs as BAJJERFAN and NOTSURE have already stated.
Indeed there is still a boatload left of them, probably at least 100,000 of them left ?
But their population is dropping fast too as they get cracked out.
Hey, I am a collector at heart, and can get so detailed into the things I collect, so I totally know how the slab afficionados can get so detailed. But if people are paying a premium because something is a 2.5 or 2.65, then I would be cautious because many collectors like myself do not care beyond rattler, doily, green label etc. Then of course, some do not care at all.
"PCGS 4 This is the first of the "Green Label" slabs. (While the previous labels may have had a green tint to them, this slab was the first where the label was a definite pale green label!) Unfortunately the green color in the label was not stable and the labels of this variety had a tendency to change color over time. Sometimes the blue pigment breaks down and the label becomes more and more yellow sometimes reaching amost a Canary yellow. Other times the yelow breaks down and the label becomes more blue. I have seen a couple of these where the label is a brighter blue than is seen on the current slabs. One identifying feature of this variety is the large font used in the serial numbers. The serial number begins at or slightly to the left of the left edge of the barcode below it. The shell is now a one part slab with the stacking edge an intergral part of the shell. This holder was used from Jan of 1990 through some time in 1995."
Realize, as I explained in my prior posts.....ANY slab that does NOT have the outer ring (some call it the 'slab in a slab'), CANNOT be a 2.0-3.5...unless, as I said, the outer ring is broken off (then it'll look like a 'rattler')...if no outer ring, then it is a 4 or later. Also, notice where 'PCGS' is on the slab...on the bottom right. Look at the 2 examples I gave, in regard to where you see PCGS imprinted (where I drew the feeble circles) ON the front of the slab (not on the insert). You can clearly see yours does not have an outer ring, and PCGS is stamped in the bottom right corner of the slab. Also, you can clearly see the stacking edge at the corners of the slab. Conder101's comments explains your insert turning yellow.
<< <i>Just to clear up confusion on the 2.0-3.5 issue, first, there MUST be an outer ring...no ring, and it's a newer slab (again, unless that ring is broken off, which seems to happen frequently, which makes it look like a 'rattler'). Now, using Bajjerfan's image (hope you don't mind Bajjer, but it's only due to laziness and I have a class at 2:30pm coming up), I have circled where the PCGS is on the 2.0, 2.5, 3.0, 3.5 slabs in this image:
On the PCGS 4, and newer slabs, I have circled where PCGS is in this image (pretty much where the bottom right pin is in the image):
That should pretty much clear up any confusion as to whether a slab is a 2.0-3.5.
Remember, refer to this thread by Conder101...look at them and you'll see the subtle changes...but the changes are not so subtle between a 3.5 and 4 and newer. Hope this helps clear up confusion in determining the difference of a 2.0-3.5, and those beyond the 3.5....off to class now! >>
Good work and thanks for the eye opening diagnosis but do not forget to mention the "die cut" rounded corners on the label since this is what made this variety standout in the first place.
The name is LEE!
<< <i>Partagas...the slab you show is a 4. According to the link I posted, Conder101 says this about the 4 and it's cert:
"PCGS 4 This is the first of the "Green Label" slabs. (While the previous labels may have had a green tint to them, this slab was the first where the label was a definite pale green label!) Unfortunately the green color in the label was not stable and the labels of this variety had a tendency to change color over time. Sometimes the blue pigment breaks down and the label becomes more and more yellow sometimes reaching amost a Canary yellow. Other times the yelow breaks down and the label becomes more blue. I have seen a couple of these where the label is a brighter blue than is seen on the current slabs. One identifying feature of this variety is the large font used in the serial numbers. The serial number begins at or slightly to the left of the left edge of the barcode below it. The shell is now a one part slab with the stacking edge an intergral part of the shell. This holder was used from Jan of 1990 through some time in 1995."
Realize, as I explained in my prior posts.....ANY slab that does NOT have the outer ring (some call it the 'slab in a slab'), CANNOT be a 2.0-3.5...unless, as I said, the outer ring is broken off (then it'll look like a 'rattler')...if no outer ring, then it is a 4 or later. Also, notice where 'PCGS' is on the slab...on the bottom right. Look at the 2 examples I gave, in regard to where you see PCGS imprinted (where I drew the feeble circles) ON the front of the slab (not on the insert). You can clearly see yours does not have an outer ring, and PCGS is stamped in the bottom right corner of the slab. Also, you can clearly see the stacking edge at the corners of the slab. Conder101's comments explains your insert turning yellow. >>
I refer to these slabs as "Limey's" since not only does the label fade but the insert holding the coin can also turn a "lime green"!
The name is LEE!
PCGS 2.0: 25 coins
PCGS 2.5: 3 coins
PCGS 3.0: 0 coins
PCGS 3.5: 5 coins
I know what to look for in these holders and the diagnostics were correct. There may have been more listed at the time, but I did not go through all of them.
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<< <i>They are out there in higher numbers than you believe. The day you made the original post I went on ebay and did a quick look through the PCGS certified coins to find the following- PCGS 2.0: 25 coins PCGS 2.5: 3 coins PCGS 3.0: 0 coins PCGS 3.5: 5 coins I know what to look for in these holders and the diagnostics were correct. There may have been more listed at the time, but I did not go through all of them. >>
You may very well be right. We will not be sure until we do a concerted slab count over the next few years. My slab counts are admittedly just an unscientific guess based on past experience.
But I must admit the following. I have been looking at various auction venues over the last three to five plus years and seen four of them while 100 doilies have appeared.
All of a sudden in the last two weeks, I managed to view EIGHT of them with Lakesammman helping me find FOUR of them in a SINGLE lot.
So as far as the slab count, anything is possible.
Any suggestions on alternative slab counts or are we too early in the game?
<< <i>They are out there in higher numbers than you believe. The day you made the original post I went on ebay and did a quick look through the PCGS certified coins to find the following-
PCGS 2.0: 25 coins
PCGS 2.5: 3 coins
PCGS 3.0: 0 coins
PCGS 3.5: 5 coins
I know what to look for in these holders and the diagnostics were correct. There may have been more listed at the time, but I did not go through all of them. >>
There are 4 of the 3.0 slabs on eBay right now. Did you count those missing the outer ring or only the ones with intact double shells?
<< <i>
<< <i>Just to clear up confusion on the 2.0-3.5 issue, first, there MUST be an outer ring...no ring, and it's a newer slab (again, unless that ring is broken off, which seems to happen frequently, which makes it look like a 'rattler'). Now, using Bajjerfan's image (hope you don't mind Bajjer, but it's only due to laziness and I have a class at 2:30pm coming up), I have circled where the PCGS is on the 2.0, 2.5, 3.0, 3.5 slabs in this image:
On the PCGS 4, and newer slabs, I have circled where PCGS is in this image (pretty much where the bottom right pin is in the image):
That should pretty much clear up any confusion as to whether a slab is a 2.0-3.5.
Remember, refer to this thread by Conder101...look at them and you'll see the subtle changes...but the changes are not so subtle between a 3.5 and 4 and newer. Hope this helps clear up confusion in determining the difference of a 2.0-3.5, and those beyond the 3.5....off to class now! >>
Good work and thanks for the eye opening diagnosis but do not forget to mention the "die cut" rounded corners on the label since this is what made this variety standout in the first place. >>
Lee, you are correct. However, when you look on the 'bay, you can see the PCGS logo placement on the 4's and above while looking at the image as a 'thumbnail' (not to mention, you can see the 'pin placement on rattlers through 3.5's...but I have 25 year old eyes, so.......lol...
<< <i>Sorry, I don't see the facination(sp) with the holders thing.
Dimeman, Your not alone! I just don't get that excited about a holder. It's kind of cool to have, but i would only buy it if the holder had a coin I was interested in. Also if it was a sweet price I couldn't pass up.
First, if anyone has a question, just do a search of "PCGS Generations" on our host's search engine. If you pay attention, all will become clear. Here is how I tend to look at things:
First: Is it a Doily?
Second: Does it have the 4 alignment pins? (If you don't know what I am talking about, look above at the Conder101 thread.)
Third: Do the "PCGS" letters appear on the front of the label?
If you get to that point, you have located a good slab. If not (like a 4-pinner without "PCGS" on the front) . . . do the old "buy the coin and not the slab", deal.
Oh . . . just for the record for you Doily slammers . .
There were exactly 5 of them at Sacramento. 2 were sold and never even made it back to the table of the dealers who bought them before they were sold at a profit (I know their location and am working on them now)The buzz at Sacramento was that collectors (can you say 'MANY'???) were searching them out (crap . .more competition). The only Doilies present did not even survive dealer set-up. I was offered the two that went unsold and the other two I knew about but missed out on (I'll get them later). I was able to consummate a sale on the 5th. Please, keep up the discussion that Doilies are not popular, are not collectible, and are not special. PLEASE! I need the help. At national shows, they are accelerating to warp speed (funny, I don't think those guys are members of this Borad), but the only thing that will allow me to keep collecting them is if we can keep up the perception that they are "plastic", they are "not rare", and that they are strictly in the purview of those who are idiots. All collectors on the Boards . . . pay heed to what posts have gone above!!! Plastic collecting is done by those who are not numismatists, are ex-Beanie-Baby refugees, and live in their Mommy's basements! We all know that!
The few connections I have left who will search for Doilies have now let me know that the competiton for them is intense to the point that they are near-impossible to acquire. I hope all of that is false, I am a nut, and Doilies will fall from the sky so I can lavish in them wantonly . . .but I don't think it will happen.
I travel to the shows. I see what premiums people want. I am in touch. Believe what you would like to believe . . . and have fun with your 17 1909-S-VDBs at every local mom and pop show. Just show me one Doily at any of those . . or any two of those shows . . or three . . or ten.
My apologies . . the drivel has just gone on long enough. I figured that down this deep in the thread no one will see this anyway so I'm safe!!!!
Drunner
(Just a Doily Idiot)
No . . . yours was one of the two I "missed out on". I think I need to school my help a bit better . . .
Drunner
(Defender of the Doilies)
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These PCGS 3.5 worth a premium? No, not really unless you really like the coin within the slab. But it is so time consuming to locate these slabs that sometimes it pays to stir some publicity on them so that they can be located, especially if the coin is nice in the holder.
It remains to be seen how scarce they really are, as searching for them has been incredibly difficult until the past few weeks.
<< <i>Weren't there more than 5? I know I bought mine after setup. >>
<< <i>Is this 'buying the plastic'? >>
I bought mine on Friday, well after set up. It was the Bay Bridge commemorative in MS63. I keep looking at it and it really looks like an MS65 minimum coin. So even though I overpaid for it as an MS63 coin, I wasn't only buying the plastic, I thought the coin was pretty good as well. Should I crack it and send it for regrade???
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<< <i>Is this 'buying the plastic'? >>
Yeah, but what is wrong with that? The PCGS slab that we have all come to know and love has a history/evolution unto itself.
<< <i>Wow. . . . just read this whole thread from top to bottom and a lot of thoughts came up . . .
First, if anyone has a question, just do a search of "PCGS Generations" on our host's search engine. If you pay attention, all will become clear. Here is how I tend to look at things:
First: Is it a Doily?
Second: Does it have the 4 alignment pins? (If you don't know what I am talking about, look above at the Conder101 thread.)
Third: Do the "PCGS" letters appear on the front of the label?
If you get to that point, you have located a good slab. If not (like a 4-pinner without "PCGS" on the front) . . . do the old "buy the coin and not the slab", deal.
Oh . . . just for the record for you Doily slammers . .
There were exactly 5 of them at Sacramento. 2 were sold and never even made it back to the table of the dealers who bought them before they were sold at a profit (I know their location and am working on them now)The buzz at Sacramento was that collectors (can you say 'MANY'???) were searching them out (crap . .more competition). The only Doilies present did not even survive dealer set-up. I was offered the two that went unsold and the other two I knew about but missed out on (I'll get them later). I was able to consummate a sale on the 5th. Please, keep up the discussion that Doilies are not popular, are not collectible, and are not special. PLEASE! I need the help. At national shows, they are accelerating to warp speed (funny, I don't think those guys are members of this Borad), but the only thing that will allow me to keep collecting them is if we can keep up the perception that they are "plastic", they are "not rare", and that they are strictly in the purview of those who are idiots. All collectors on the Boards . . . pay heed to what posts have gone above!!! Plastic collecting is done by those who are not numismatists, are ex-Beanie-Baby refugees, and live in their Mommy's basements! We all know that!
The few connections I have left who will search for Doilies have now let me know that the competiton for them is intense to the point that they are near-impossible to acquire. I hope all of that is false, I am a nut, and Doilies will fall from the sky so I can lavish in them wantonly . . .but I don't think it will happen.
I travel to the shows. I see what premiums people want. I am in touch. Believe what you would like to believe . . . and have fun with your 17 1909-S-VDBs at every local mom and pop show. Just show me one Doily at any of those . . or any two of those shows . . or three . . or ten.
My apologies . . the drivel has just gone on long enough. I figured that down this deep in the thread no one will see this anyway so I'm safe!!!!
Drunner
(Just a Doily Idiot) >>
So THAT is the reason I did not see any doilies at the SAC ANA. I looked, but Friday afternoon was just toooooooooo late!
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