Spamming PCGS

jsf · February 27, 2011 12:02AM

Collector's Corner

almost worse than posting no dates,

posting Morgans in with Walkers, false dates entered, intentionally it seems, or the lister was out to lunch...thanks NNC

coinguy1 · February 27, 2011 12:08AM

OK, now try to put yourself in the shoes of a someone who didn't see or experience what you did on Collector's Corner.... Would you understand what you, the OP was talking about?

kurtdog · February 27, 2011 12:11AM

FWIW, I sure as heck don't.

jsf · February 27, 2011 12:12AM

shuttup and go back to sleep out there

had to back up and edit more, hang on you overly stuffed on excess coffee-types!

jsf · February 27, 2011 12:15AM

well, just look at the Walker listings, as I mentioned.

somebody is hung on listing one of NNC's Morgans in about 4 different date slots on Collector's Corner,

it seems maybe it's like I suggested, the lister was out-to-lunch,

takes one to know one, doesn't it Mark?

llafoe · February 27, 2011 12:17AM

I'm still lost... are you saying someone is posting coins (Walkers and Morgans) in NNC slabs with the same cert # but different dates? That they're spamming Collectors Corner... for what reason?

messydesk · February 27, 2011 12:19AM

A link is worth a thousand words.

jsf · February 27, 2011 12:20AM

NNC, Larry, and others. Northern Nevada Coin.

has the same stupid Morgan listed as a 1916 Walker, a 1921 Walker, a 1923-S Walker, and on...

just realized when doing the earlier edit that it's for the same Morgan, or I haven't found different ones yet. Like I said, maybe it's a mistake and not really spam.

Manorcourtman · February 27, 2011 12:21AM

Whats NNC?? Ok, thanks for splainin'

jsf · February 27, 2011 12:23AM

and as far as my first post, Marky, what's so hard to understand about "Morgans listed in with Walkers"? You can't look it up? Want it on a Sunday morning platter, just for you?

ed. - OK, here's a reformatted sentence for most of you, maybe it was not perfect sentence structure for the first thing, early on a Sunday morning, but I have seen a LOT worse around here...

"Spamming PCGS Collector's Corner almost worse than posting no dates, posting Morgans in with Walkers, false dates entered, intentionally it seems, or the lister was out to lunch.

..thanks NNC

"

goodmoney4badmoney · February 27, 2011 12:35AM

YogiBerraFan · February 27, 2011 12:40AM

<< and as far as my first post, Marky, what's so hard to understand about "Morgans listed in with Walkers"? You can't look it up? Want it on a Sunday morning platter, just for you? >>

Dang, a Mark hater? Not sure I have seen one of those before

magikbilly · February 27, 2011 12:41AM

A few details would not have hurt? Some don't know NCC or CC and it could be helpful to explain, if only to get your message across effectively? I dunno. Mark is, as far as I know for years, a very nice guy with knowledge to boot and he shares it. Many, many times I agree with his posts or he beats to me what I am saying and I am left just agreeing. Is he always right - sometimes wrong? Who cares. Antagonism or whatever..."Marky" - needed? I tend to hold that stuff back - even when called for. What do I know. I'm tired - excuse me.

Eric

timcoin · February 27, 2011 1:36AM

I understood

notwilight · February 27, 2011 1:43AM

I looked at a few categories and saw lots of coins in the wrong category. I think they have a sort index problem. Probably nothing to do with the listing party. --jerry

giorgio11 · February 27, 2011 1:47AM

<< Collector's Corner

almost worse than posting no dates,

posting Morgans in with Walkers, false dates entered, intentionally it seems, or the lister was out to lunch...thanks NNC

>>

This is why I appreciate complete sentences.

jsf · February 27, 2011 9:47PM

There are times when this board needs a self-appointed forum cop, there are times it doesn't. If they want to enforce PCGS' rules about posting, as long as PCGS tolerates their activities, well, OK, that's up to PCGS. If there is no breach of PCGS rules, there should be no interference from the self-appointed forum cop.

The problem with a self-appointed forum cop is when they start wanting to edit what people are saying, even if it's within PCGS guidelines.

What gives them the right to try and dictate the CONTENT of your coin or PCGS-related message?

Go and edit the spelling and grammar used on these boards why don't you, nosy ol' forum cop? That'll keep you plenty busy and I'm sure PCGS won't get tired of hearing from you.

Does the forum cop even realize the "audience" being written to? Think about this, how often must one be an "insider" around here in order to understand the message? How many messages are actually written to a newbie's/beginner's level?

Is the message intended for PCGS themselves or maybe for a seasoned veteran or longtime lurker of these boards who likely has a good understanding of topics relating to PCGS and coins? Or is the message intended for the vast world of coin newbies?

I believe the self-appointed forum cop better watch their step quite carefully. In none too many words, shut the flock up.

The forum cop might be better served if they were to spend their time being a true, helpful, coin professional, not some early morning message board critic. With a little practice that forum cop might be able to make their own helpful, original post. When was the last time they did, anyway?

magikbilly · February 27, 2011 10:31PM

"....not some early morning message board critic."

Posting that at 4:47 am is not helping your position

Maybe lets ALL take it easy - I am anyway. I just wanted to know what you were talking about re your post so I could understand you.

Eric

questor54 · February 27, 2011 10:43PM

Tempest, meet teapot.

RRich2004 · February 28, 2011 12:02AM

<< and as far as my first post, Marky, what's so hard to understand about "Morgans listed in with Walkers"? You can't look it up? Want it on a Sunday morning platter, just for you? >>

Your attack on Mr. Feld is completely unwarranted. Your OP to this thread was nothing more than rambling. You post no link to substantiate your babbling.

You can catch more flies with honey, than vinegar!

Bochiman · February 28, 2011 3:46AM

Uncalled for attack by the OP on CG1, imho.
The title to the thread, and the OP, are not that clear (hence the edit) and even then, it sure wasn't an easy read.

If one wants to get their point across, one should try to be a bit clear and not short and cryptic.
And, Mark wasn't even "forum copping" you, JSF. The way I read his post was one where he is letting you know that your thread is obtuse and not easy to understand.
He was actually be helping to you, if you cared and wanted any kind of agreement/interest in your thread.

Oh well, guess that axe you have to grind with him, for whatever reason, is getting pretty heavy, eh?

BlindedByEgo · February 28, 2011 4:03AM

I thought Coincop and his wife, Coincopwife, posted on the OFR?

FWIW, I barely understood the OP in his first post. A little context and perspective always helps. Try the limerick format next time

WoodenJefferson · February 28, 2011 5:55AM

Even after all the explanations, I'm still lost....how can this be spamming PCGS?

~help~

jsf · February 28, 2011 6:16AM

by placing whatever coin, wherever, multiple places in an already categorized coin listing that is helpfully organized by PCGS. That's sure to get their store name (NNC) more exposure. If it's a mistake, as mentioned, then it wouldn't be spam, would it?

yeah, that's all too tough to figure out.

I'm sure if PCGS doesn't mind them misusing the listing, the offending company should go on and include their garage sales items for the weekend as well?

illini420 · February 28, 2011 6:18AM

well it seems to be spamming people who have want lists set up through the collectors corner at least.

what bothers me more are the dealers who regularly relist the same coins over and over on the collectors corner. Because they do that, if I have one of those coins on a want list of mine I get an email of a new coin matching my list. Of course, it's hardly ever a new coin, but just one that is bumped by the dealers. I'm not sure if dealers are doing this intentionally or if they are just not using the system correctly, but it has made the want list feature of the collectors corner have much less value.

WoodenJefferson · February 28, 2011 6:37AM

Is this not a service offered by Collector's Universe and PCGS is used as a proxy because the listing is created by an authorized PCGS dealer, which in turn allows the vendor to use the PCGS trade mark on this website?

The title "Spamming PCGS" is misleading, hence the question. Yeah, it's really hard to figure out via the information the OP presented.

Studio60 · February 28, 2011 8:59AM

<< by placing whatever coin, wherever, multiple places in an already categorized coin listing that is helpfully organized by PCGS. That's sure to get their store name (NNC) more exposure. If it's a mistake, as mentioned, then it wouldn't be spam, would it?

yeah, that's all too tough to figure out.

I'm sure if PCGS doesn't mind them misusing the listing, the offending company should go on and include their garage sales items for the weekend as well? >>

Did you ever work within the Wisconsin school district?
If so, that would answer so many questions.

RYK · February 28, 2011 9:05AM

I read the first post yesterday and had no idea what the thread was about...and really did not care since both "Morgans" and "Walkers" were both mentioned.

When you read the subsequent post, it is very easy to see what the rant is about, but only in retrospect. For those still in the dark, I will reinterpret the OP with a nod to proper and polite grammar. Here goes:

"Gentlemen,

I was perusing the Collectors Corner area of this website this fine Sunday morning and could not help but notice that the numismatic listings from Northern Nevada Coin (aka Broken CC and sometimes NNC), have Morgans appearing as misdated Walkers or some such indignity. I highly suspect that the miscreants who work for NNC are trying to unlawfully get our attention in some sort of bait-and-switch scheme. Alternatively, they may have had a syncopal episode while uploading their inventory. Either way, I am most bewildered and annoyed by this state of affairs, enough that I thought it appropriate to point out to my colleagues on the US Coin Forum.

Warmest regards, JSF

PS Shove it, Feld"

RRich2004 · February 28, 2011 9:24AM

<< Collector's Corner

almost worse than posting no dates,

posting Morgans in with Walkers, false dates entered, intentionally it seems, or the lister was out to lunch...thanks NNC

>>

Am I going crazy here or what.

I see by the replies to this thread that I am not the only member who does not see any thought in the quoted post above.

So JSF, clarify for us how anyone with any amount of intelligence would get what your point is from the drivel quoted above?

Swampboy · February 28, 2011 9:28AM

<< yeah, that's all too tough to figure out >>

roger that

questor54 · February 28, 2011 9:46AM

Is it really helpful to tell someone to 'shove it' without telling them what and where?

jsf · February 28, 2011 10:05AM

hehe, too funny! Thanks for injecting (no pun intended, doc) a bit of levity in these proceedings, RYK. I knew you were one of the smarter people who might've clicked on the post and just moved on.

Too many of you think the OP was intended JUST for you. Like I mentioned, perhaps you were not the intended "audience", eh? I believe I've posted enough here that M.F. should've known I wasn't writing for or addressing the general membership. Yet he found it necessary to comment and correct.

It was intended to catch the attention of a moderator (if one is even around on Sunday mornings?) who may have read it and forwarded it in an email to the powers that be at PCGS who might be interested in it. I don't appreciate any company who abuses good tools, such as Collector's Corner, kindly provided us by PCGS. An experienced moderator would have figured this out pdq, I imagine. Maybe not. At least one person seems to have understood.

Come to think about it, that is, percentage-wise, just about normal here isn't it? I hope certain ones of you wear self-draining boots, 'cause you sure don't have enough sense to pour that yellow stuff out of them, even if they had instructions written on the heel.

and no MOC, this is not about NNC-graded coins being passed off as PCGS-graded coins. That sounds like something I should leave up to you.

ed.- Good morning my fellow lame brains!

...and for those of you who think this degenerated into a "Mark-hater" post (that came from YogiBerraFan doing his best to stir the pot), well, that's just something you're reading into it. I always had cordial communications with M.F. in the past, but he better learn darn quick that I won't put up with any self-righteous bs from him. I must admit, I was and am pretty sick of the way he plays forum cop with a lot of the people who post, or used to post I should say.

...obtw, RRich2004, Mr. member-for-a-month, you haven't even seen a good attack, yet, and what I posted was far from an attack. ...and M.F. forfeited the right to claim the title "Mr." a long time ago by virtue of the way he chose to harangue so many people over their posts, over and over and over. You weren't even here then.

...and Bochibutt, it's so nice to see you watched Shawshank Redemption, learning the word "obtuse." It's good to see you improving your command of the English language.

"Spamming PCGS Collector's Corner almost worse than posting no dates, posting Morgans in with Walkers, false dates entered, intentionally it seems, or the lister was out to lunch.

..thanks NNC "

and links? I posted the "where" and "what" to my observation in my OP. Once again, figure it out from there, if you can. Otherwise, I'm sure you've heard this, move on.

timber100 · February 28, 2011 10:09AM

<< I read the first post yesterday and had no idea what the thread was about...and really did not care since both "Morgans" and "Walkers" were both mentioned.

When you read the subsequent post, it is very easy to see what the rant is about, but only in retrospect. For those still in the dark, I will reinterpret the OP with a nod to proper and polite grammar. Here goes:

"Gentlemen,

I was perusing the Collectors Corner area of this website this fine Sunday morning and could not help but notice that the numismatic listings from Northern Nevada Coin (aka Broken CC and sometimes NNC), have Morgans appearing as misdated Walkers or some such indignity. I highly suspect that the miscreants who work for NNC are trying to unlawfully get our attention in some sort of bait-and-switch scheme. Alternatively, they may have had a syncopal episode while uploading their inventory. Either way, I am most bewildered and annoyed by this state of affairs, enough that I thought it appropriate to point out to my colleagues on the US Coin Forum.

Warmest regards, JSF

PS Shove it, Feld" >>

Thanks, needed a LOL tonight

ArizonaJack · February 28, 2011 10:14AM

Thanks RYK, that got an out loud chuckle from me :-)

Edited to add: Oh yeah, shove it Feld.

kurtdog · February 28, 2011 10:20AM

<< I love the shove it part.

>>

That's the only part I think I understood.

kurtdog · February 28, 2011 10:25AM

<< I hope certain ones of you wear self-draining boots, 'cause you sure don't have enough sense to pour that yellow stuff out of them, even if they had instructions written on the heel.

>>

RYK, can you please translate this for us, too? Except don't use such big words this time.

Bochiman · February 28, 2011 10:52AM

Rule 11) Stop being obtuse in posting a thread. Try just saying what you mean instead of needing a magic 8 ball, or RYK, to interpret.

questor54 · February 28, 2011 11:30AM

<< Rule 11) Stop being obtuse in posting a thread. Try just saying what you mean instead of needing a magic 8 ball, or RYK, to interpret. >>

Are we still shoving it?

RobertS · February 28, 2011 11:52AM

Jsf,

Wao is all I can say, add me to the list of people that did not understand WTH you wanted to say. Then you follow with insults... That certainly will get your point across

and as far as your intended audience, lets see anyone that reads a free open forum is the intended audience...

scottgardener · February 28, 2011 12:45PM

I actually understand the original intent of this topic--that when browsing Collectors Corner, looking for, say, DMPL Carson City Morgans, a coin will show up in the listing that looks really gray, but when you pull up the illustration, you'll see a Walking liberty half.

Unfortunately, this thread hasitself become the same sort of thing, as I was expecting it to be about something else, like sending large numbers of "brilliant uncirculated" Presidential dollars for grading, from a newly discovered hoard in Nigeria. Oh, and the submitted needs some bank account iinformation to help with the submission process...

AnkurJ · February 28, 2011 1:22PM

What's worse are coin brokers listing coins in every grade as if they actually have them in stock. Just check out the 1907 High relief saints and you will see what I am referring to.

mrcoin3 · February 28, 2011 3:21PM

Can't ya just feel the love?

WoodenJefferson · February 28, 2011 5:32PM

Can I have your attention please....attention, Ahem, "The LOVE has left the building!" Please everyone, vacate the premises. Thank you!

To keep this coin related while shoving it, I got a eagle backed Washington quarter in change the other day.

Now back to your regularly scheduled insults.

pennyannie · February 28, 2011 7:10PM

<< There are times when this board needs a self-appointed forum cop, there are times it doesn't. If they want to enforce PCGS' rules about posting, as long as PCGS tolerates their activities, well, OK, that's up to PCGS. If there is no breach of PCGS rules, there should be no interference from the self-appointed forum cop.

The problem with a self-appointed forum cop is when they start wanting to edit what people are saying, even if it's within PCGS guidelines.

What gives them the right to try and dictate the CONTENT of your coin or PCGS-related message?

Go and edit the spelling and grammar used on these boards why don't you, nosy ol' forum cop? That'll keep you plenty busy and I'm sure PCGS won't get tired of hearing from you.

Does the forum cop even realize the "audience" being written to? Think about this, how often must one be an "insider" around here in order to understand the message? How many messages are actually written to a newbie's/beginner's level?

Is the message intended for PCGS themselves or maybe for a seasoned veteran or longtime lurker of these boards who likely has a good understanding of topics relating to PCGS and coins? Or is the message intended for the vast world of coin newbies?

I believe the self-appointed forum cop better watch their step quite carefully. In none too many words, shut the flock up.

The forum cop might be better served if they were to spend their time being a true, helpful, coin professional, not some early morning message board critic. With a little practice that forum cop might be able to make their own helpful, original post. When was the last time they did, anyway? >>

Is the forum cop, critic a paying gig?

questor54 · February 28, 2011 7:41PM

Are we still supposed to be doing the shoving up?

kurtdog · February 28, 2011 10:24PM

<< I actually understand the original intent of this topic--that when browsing Collectors Corner, looking for, say, DMPL Carson City Morgans, a coin will show up in the listing that looks really gray, but when you pull up the illustration, you'll see a Walking liberty half. >>

Oh, so that's what this is about. Thanks for the explanation.

Jsf - Do you mind if I talk for a little bit, while you, um, catch your breath? Now that I understand, I think I agree, this could conceivably be construed as "spamming." Why didn't you just clarify that from the start instead of reacting so provocatively to the first reply? You'd have saved us all, including yourself, a lot of grief.

OK, you "alerted" us. You performed an invaluable public service. Now what? Don't you think you ought to be "alerting" the administrators of that website? If you're right, its intended purpose is being undermined, isn't it? Something is out of whack, there.

lkeigwin · February 28, 2011 11:02PM

<< Collector's Corner

almost worse than posting no dates,

posting Morgans in with Walkers, false dates entered, intentionally it seems, or the lister was out to lunch...thanks NNC

>>

Besides coins and motorcycles another passion of mine is puzzles. I liked the OP. I read it a few times, furrowed my brows, and figured it out.

I've never had much success with CC. No photos, poor photos, coin's not available, dealer's not available. Haven't stumbled on a lot of wrong coins. I just don't use it anymore.
Lance.

coinguy1 · February 28, 2011 11:06PM

<< 

<< I actually understand the original intent of this topic--that when browsing Collectors Corner, looking for, say, DMPL Carson City Morgans, a coin will show up in the listing that looks really gray, but when you pull up the illustration, you'll see a Walking liberty half. >>

Oh, so that's what this is about. Thanks for the explanation.

Jsf - Do you mind if I talk for a little bit, while you, um, catch your breath? Now that I understand, I think I agree, this could conceivably be construed as "spamming." Why didn't you just clarify that from the start instead of reacting so provocatively to the first reply? You'd have saved us all, including yourself, a lot of grief.

OK, you "alerted" us. You performed an invaluable public service. Now what? Don't you think you ought to be "alerting" the administrators of that website? If you're right, its intended purpose is being undermined, isn't it? Something is out of whack, there. >>

The OP has already indicated that his thread title and first post (since edited one or more times) were his means of making the right people aware of the situation. And who, in their right mind, could argue with the method, clarity and efficiency of his effort? Why contact anyone directly, instead of going with his original plan, detailed below? Are you some (other) forum cop

<<It was intended to catch the attention of a moderator (if one is even around on Sunday mornings?) who may have read it and forwarded it in an email to the powers that be at PCGS who might be interested in it. I don't appreciate any company who abuses good tools, such as Collector's Corner, kindly provided us by PCGS. An experienced moderator would have figured this out pdq, I imagine. Maybe not. At least one person seems to have understood.>>

jsf · February 28, 2011 11:14PM

<< 

<< I actually understand the original intent of this topic--that when browsing Collectors Corner, looking for, say, DMPL Carson City Morgans, a coin will show up in the listing that looks really gray, but when you pull up the illustration, you'll see a Walking liberty half. >>

Oh, so that's what this is about. Thanks for the explanation.

Jsf - Do you mind if I talk for a little bit, while you, um, catch your breath? Now that I understand, I think I agree, this could conceivably be construed as "spamming." Why didn't you just clarify that from the start instead of reacting so provocatively to the first reply? You'd have saved us all, including yourself, a lot of grief.

OK, you "alerted" us. You performed an invaluable public service. Now what? Don't you think you ought to be "alerting" the administrators of that website? If you're right, its intended purpose is being undermined, isn't it? Something is out of whack, there. >>

kurtdog, THANK YOU for trying to understand, but, NO, whoever came up with the statement you quoted, has interpreted my OP equally as incorrectly as MANOFCOINS did.

"Spamming PCGS Collector's Corner almost worse than posting no dates, posting Morgans in with Walkers, false dates entered, intentionally it seems, or the lister was out to lunch.

..thanks NNC "

Once again, most everybody else, I posted the "what" and "where" about my observation, in my OP. Do you people really need links too? If you can't find it or figure it out, maybe you should go back to lurker status? I'll working on improving my writing habits, y'all work on improving your reading comprehension.

M.F. posted: "...his thread title and first post (since edited one or more times)..." NO, Marky, check the time of your post. It was a few minutes after I edited anything in my first post. Get it right and truthful at least, bubby.

kurtdog · March 1, 2011 12:31AM

<< Are you some (other) forum cop

>>

Now that's being provocative! I'll give you a pass on this first offense, but next time, watch it buster!

kurtdog · March 1, 2011 12:37AM

Jsf, has Collectors Corner been apprised of these erroneous listings?

Spamming PCGS

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