Newp 1812 Bust Half! Thoughts on the grade?

AnkurJ · February 11, 2011 2:30PM

Just got this 1812 Bust Half in today. Graded NGC AU58, but will probably cross at PCGS as AU50 or AU53. The luster is booming in hand! An upgrade from my current XF40.
Looks like a widget compared to DDM's new one!

And here is an 1832 Bust Half with new images. Was NGC AU53 (another overgraded bustie in NGC plastic), now PCGS XF45. A slight upgrade from my current XF40, but a much nicer example with toning.

Thanks for looking!
AJ

drddm · February 11, 2011 2:33PM

Very nice busties Ankur.

I like your 1812, looks to have nice luster, good luck on the cross

RedHerring · February 11, 2011 2:33PM

The 1812 looks better than a 50. Should go 53 and maybe 55.

I agree with the 1832 though, XF45 is a conservative grade - making it a very strong 45.

drddm · February 11, 2011 2:39PM

I happen to agree with RedHerring, if your 1812 has sufficient luster, it has a chance at a 55, but I can't see PCGS bumping her all the way down to a 50.

Here is a PCGS AU53 that I sold recently to forum member Frozenink when I upgraded my 1812.

AnkurJ · February 11, 2011 2:49PM

Here is a coin I bought raw because I loved how original the surfaces were. Was in an NGC G6 holder, and to my surprise upgraded to a VG8!
The surfaces are amazingly clean.

zap1111 · February 11, 2011 3:04PM

Sweet coins - thanks for sharing them!
zap

Raybo · February 11, 2011 4:41PM

I just hate these kinda threads!

AnkurJ · February 12, 2011 12:50AM

maibockaddict · February 12, 2011 2:39AM

Nice Busties!Love that 1812!

johnny9434 · February 12, 2011 2:52AM

i like the 1812. nice coin

mgoodm3 · February 12, 2011 2:55AM

Nice pics.

AnkurJ · February 12, 2011 3:26AM

<< <i>Nice pics. >>

Thanks Mark! That means a lot coming from you!

AnkurJ · February 13, 2011 1:23PM

Any other thoughts on the grade of the 1812?

oreville · February 13, 2011 1:44PM

Ankur:

Here is my 1812 50c graded PCGS AU-53. It was originally in an OGH. It was cracked in half when I received it in the mail. I kept it anyway. JA would not sticker it until it was reholdered. That was a crisis point for me. I relented and had it reholdered into the blue label. Green stickered.

Yours looks to be closer to an AU-50 as I cannot get a feel for the luster.

I misplaced the picture link for the reverse.

drddm · February 13, 2011 1:46PM

Oreville, from the obv of your 1812, it looks to have 55-58 wear, but the luster usually decides the grade in cases with little wear.

Would love to see the rev

oreville · February 13, 2011 1:52PM

drddm: Exactly what JA said.

AnkurJ · February 13, 2011 1:53PM

Oreville, if yours is an AU53, then mine would be an XF45!

But the luster is quite nice on this one. Just so hard to capture both toning and luster together. Why is NGC so off on these?

lava · February 13, 2011 4:30PM

I think you are looking at 53. It looks at peace in its present holder, so not sure why you want it in new plastic unless you are gunning for the registry.

AnkurJ · February 13, 2011 9:39PM

<< <i>I think you are looking at 53. It looks at peace in its present holder, so not sure why you want it in new plastic unless you are gunning for the registry. >>

Registry is correct. Though I am in no hurry to cross her.

maibockaddict · February 14, 2011 3:46AM

Luster can be very strong on these early date Bust Halves. I have a VF 20 1812 O-105 IDS that has XF 45 luster on it, among many others with what would be considered moderate wear, but the luster remaining does not make sense for the wear.

That said, the grade on the coin will be based on the graders weighing luster vs wear. If NGC thought it to be a 58 at the time, and the coin has lots of luster, then u can assume that luster carried the day for the grade. I think you said the luster is terrific, but from what I have seen from PCGS and even NGC lately, you probably would end up with a 53 today, or maybe a 55 on eye appeal. Unless that discoloration on the chin and hair is just that and not flat spots, which could get you to 58.

rhedden · February 15, 2011 3:06AM

I like the AU58 1812. I think it was probably dipped long ago, but it's retoned naturally and in a very pretty manner.

I have noticed over the years that nearly all 1812 and 1813 bust halves in AU-Unc. have been dipped at some point. There are many that have developed colored toning as a result. Has anyone else noticed the same thing? It's unusual to find a coin of these dates with strong luster, which still has 100% of the original gray filth clinging to its surfaces- and none of the bright colors. Anyone have one?

TPRC · February 15, 2011 6:14AM

I like that coin a lot. I think I would guess au-55, but I could see a 53 or a 58. Reverse looks 58 and it is a late dies state.

maibockaddict · February 16, 2011 1:06AM

<< <i>I like the AU58 1812. I think it was probably dipped long ago, but it's retoned naturally and in a very pretty manner.

I have noticed over the years that nearly all 1812 and 1813 bust halves in AU-Unc. have been dipped at some point. There are many that have developed colored toning as a result. Has anyone else noticed the same thing? It's unusual to find a coin of these dates with strong luster, which still has 100% of the original gray filth clinging to its surfaces- and none of the bright colors. Anyone have one? >>

I got this one from one of Sheridan Downey's mail bid sales. Sold for today's 55 money a few years ago.

This one even has a sticker (AU-53)! It got lost during the Frederick Sale and I got it relatively cheap

Another Downey Pcikup-AU-55 with old heavy toning

Probably the best example of what you are talking about:

I have others but its a pain finding all the pics...

johnny9434 · February 16, 2011 3:54AM

<< <i>I happen to agree with RedHerring, if your 1812 has sufficient luster, it has a chance at a 55, but I can't see PCGS bumping her all the way down to a 50.

Here is a PCGS AU53 that I sold recently to forum member Frozenink when I upgraded my 1812.

>>

mouth area, chin and neck

is that some sort of doubling around the mouth area? i missed it the first time

Newp 1812 Bust Half! Thoughts on the grade?

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