I can't list items on eBay now without having a credit card to automatically pay my bills each month

jessewvu · February 13, 2011 11:02AM

I tried to list some COINS tonight and i got a submission failed notice that I needed to have an automatic payment set up. What a bunch of CRAP! I use Blackthorne. I went to my ebay account and added my PayPal debit card and now I can list.. Wow, things are getting worse every day over there.

jessewvu · February 13, 2011 11:06AM

the error said:

"(21917158) We noticed that you don't have a payment method set up with your eBay account. As soon as you take care of this, you'll be able to list more items."

kimber45ACP · February 13, 2011 11:07AM

Bummer.

I don't think you will get 8k+ replies to this post though.

BigE · February 13, 2011 11:13AM

I noticed the other day you cannot say the words "money order" in your listing either, I guess the only payment you can take now is a check or PP!!!!!!---------------BigE

ebaybuyer · February 13, 2011 11:15AM

get a low buck pre-paid CC and just pay your fees with paypal.

mrpotatoheadd · February 13, 2011 11:16AM

<< I guess the only payment you can take now is a check or PP!!!!!!---------------BigE >>

If you check, I think you'll find you can't say you take checks, either.

jessewvu · February 13, 2011 11:20AM

That rule about not saying "money order" "personal check" or "cashiers check" have been banned for a while. I haven't been able to list items with that in my auctions for about a year with Blackthorne. You are ONLY allowed to take money orders, cashiers checks, and personal checks in "eBay motors or mature audiences".

mrpotatoheadd · February 13, 2011 11:21AM

<< You are ONLY allowed to take money orders, cashiers checks, and personal checks in "eBay motors or mature audiences". >>

You can take checks or money orders if the buyer asks to pay that way.

Lakesammman · February 13, 2011 11:26AM

I've always had a CC on file - you mean it's an option?

jessewvu · February 13, 2011 11:26AM

I agree, but try listing an item with any of those words in the text.

I can't even write the forbidden words in my payment instructions that come after the sale.. Here is a screen shot of my blackthorne software.

coindeuce · February 13, 2011 11:41AM

SleazeBay used to offer an option of manually making "one time" payments on each seller's invoice with any credit/debit card that was stored in the member's profile. Apparently the drones have decided that it is too costly to chase members each month when their invoices remain unpaid until suspension is threatened. So now, the only option for those who want to remain eligible to sell is to authorize the automatic charge/debit transaction each month, or leave. I'm ready to leave. I like it here better.

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Keets,kryptonitecomics,KSteelheader,LasVegasTeddy,LeeG,
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mrpotatoheadd · February 13, 2011 11:56AM

<< I agree, but try listing an item with any of those words in the text. >>

You haven't been able to do that for a long time. So it seems to me, your options are A) accept the fact and get on with it or

quit selling on eBay.

derryb · February 13, 2011 12:50PM

<< I noticed the other day you cannot say the words "money order" in your listing either, I guess the only payment you can take now is a check or PP!!!!!!---------------BigE >>

"Paypal preferred, other payment options available, contact us before bidding"

DieClash · February 13, 2011 12:52PM

#13 Only 7,987 to go!

mrpotatoheadd · February 13, 2011 1:51PM

<< "Paypal preferred, other payment options available, contact us before bidding"

>>

Nope- not allowed:

Sellers aren't allowed to make statements like:

“Contact us for payment information.”
“Contact us for other payment methods.”
“Contact us for your preferred payment method.”
“Buyers may request to pay by check or money order.”

BigE · February 13, 2011 1:59PM

Can we sell our coins on the "Mature Audiences" site then take checks/MO? Maybe if we include a copy of

------------------BigE

mrpotatoheadd · February 13, 2011 2:01PM

That might work. Try it and tell us how it goes.

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Connecticoin · February 14, 2011 12:33AM

So you can take checks or MO if you sell cars and/or porn.

goldbuffalo · February 14, 2011 3:21AM

Not 'allowing' different options of payment could be illegal.

I mean Ebay owns PP and they only allow PP to be represented in an auction.

Microsoft had to allow other browsers and stuff.

I bet if a lawsuit was opened, we'd get them to allow the free market to prevail.

derryb · February 14, 2011 3:24AM

I can't buy a coin without paying for it.

mrdq · February 14, 2011 4:00AM

what the heck is mature ebay?

mrpotatoheadd · February 14, 2011 4:27AM

<< I mean Ebay owns PP and they only allow PP to be represented in an auction. >>

That's not exactly true. eBay requires that you allow some sort electronic payment option, but it doesn't have to be PayPal. If you have a merchant account, you can use that instead.

diamondman · February 14, 2011 5:35AM

ebay/paypal all have there glitches, I tried listing a Beatles zippo lighter starting bid 39.00 and was told I had reached my limit on listing expensive items? doh tried a few more times same thing, try to list some other items 10 to 100 , not a problem , go back and try to list the zippo same message, went a head and listed a few items starting bid 1500 to 2000 (No problem) go back to the 40 dollar zippo for the last time same frickin message, took the zippo lighter filled it with lighter fluid and gave it to a friend.

I have learned my lesson list anything I want except a zippo lighter geez thanks feebay. I have another zippo but am to scared to try and list it. LOL

Rob790 · February 14, 2011 6:45AM

LOL, eBay's "business" model is not about making money but has turned into an instrument to make it harder for the average Joe to make income from selling things.

There are now even million dollar fines for garage sells! All under the false guise of "public safety", I mean who are they kidding??

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2009/09/18/new-government-policy-imposes-strict-standards-garage-sales-nationwide/

The people running things don't like you having a true free market.

More control and less options.

What's new? eBay sold out a long time ago.

pf70collector · February 14, 2011 7:43AM

You can offer incentives(say $25 back stated in your auction listing) for buyers in your auction if they send a check or money order or paypal echeck which is only $5 no matter how much the item sells for. They haven't stopped this so far.

goodmoney4badmoney · February 14, 2011 7:57AM

You can't directly say you will take a check or money order, but the fact is you CAN still take them. The trick is clever wording so that a customer will ask you if it's OK, such as "feel free to contact us about payment options or questions". There are also other electronic services other than PayPal approved by eBay, but all are similar to PayPal. To the OP, I have my eBay account set up to automatically pay my eBay fees through PayPal, I like it.

mrpotatoheadd · February 14, 2011 8:34AM

<< You can't directly say you will take a check or money order, but the fact is you CAN still take them. >>

Yes, you can.

<< The trick is clever wording so that a customer will ask you if it's OK, such as "feel free to contact us about payment options or questions". >>

According to eBay, you can't say that. From eBay's help pages:

Sellers aren't allowed to make statements like:

“Contact us for payment information.”
“Contact us for other payment methods.”
“Contact us for your preferred payment method.”
“Buyers may request to pay by check or money order.”

When eBay came out with the "no checks or money orders" policy, they had a Q&A session on the website. It was made perfectly clear that there would be no such thing as any "magic words" that would get you around the prohibition- if you were even suspected of trying, you were guilty and your listings would be ended. End of story.

If you're doing it now and haven't been caught, it's just because nobody has reported you. Yet.

goodmoney4badmoney · February 14, 2011 8:54AM

<< 

<< You can't directly say you will take a check or money order, but the fact is you CAN still take them. >>

Yes, you can.

<< The trick is clever wording so that a customer will ask you if it's OK, such as "feel free to contact us about payment options or questions". >>

According to eBay, you can't say that. From eBay's help pages:

Sellers aren't allowed to make statements like:

ï¿½Contact us for payment information.ï¿½
ï¿½Contact us for other payment methods.ï¿½
ï¿½Contact us for your preferred payment method.ï¿½
ï¿½Buyers may request to pay by check or money order.ï¿½

When eBay came out with the "no checks or money orders" policy, they had a Q&A session on the website. It was made perfectly clear that there would be no such thing as any "magic words" that would get you around the prohibition- if you were even suspected of trying, you were guilty and your listings would be ended. End of story.

If you're doing it now and haven't been caught, it's just because nobody has reported you. Yet. >>

Thanks for the clarification. I don't use these phrases myself, but I have seen plenty of other sellers auctions that feature similar wording.

mrpotatoheadd · February 14, 2011 9:03AM

<< Thanks for the clarification. I don't use these phrases myself, but I have seen plenty of other sellers auctions that feature similar wording. >>

Here's more from eBay on this:

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griff@ebay.com View Listings | Report Aug-20-08 17:26 PDT

j-t* :

Griff, can sellers then put a note in their listings for the buyer to contact them to use other payment methods not listed without saying what type?
- JT

pepinski9 :

Or can we say in our email to buyers contact us for other methods accepted or please let us know your preferred payment method.....

No.

Sellers will not be permitted to solicit paper payments in any way shape or form. Email, listing descriptions, etc. A seller will not be permitted to solicit buyers with a "please let us know your preferred payment method" email. If the buyer reports the seller and provides the email, the seller will risk sanctions.

Griff

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and

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jeffk@ebay.com View Listings | Report Aug-26-08 10:46 PDT

Q: Is it "legal" on ebay for a buyer to even ask to pay with a money order after these changes take effect?
Yes, a buyer can ask a seller if they can pay with a Money Order or Check.

A: You may only solicit approved payment methods in your listings or communications with buyers. This means you must be explicit about the payment methods you accept, and they must be approved.

Should a buyer initiate a conversation about alternate payment methods, it is your choice to accomomdate this request.

Here are the rules as of the October release date:

A seller may not solicit or advertise that the accept paper payments, either in their listing description or in their emails sent to their buyers.

A seller may not "hint" that other than approved payment methods are accepted, for example, an email to a buyer or a line in the description that says anything along the lines of "EMail me about other payment methods." OR "Email me if you have questions about these payment methods."

Anything, and I mean anything in a seller's listing that hints or alludes to unapproved payment methods will result in the listing's removal.

Attempts to circumvent this policy will be viewed and handled as such.

If a buyer asks a seller if they will accept a paper payment, the seller may accept or decline that request.

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Note that these rules were current as of August, 2008. I have no reason to believe eBay has relaxed their stand in the time since then.

TavernTreasures · February 14, 2011 9:10AM

STOP selling on Ebay (like some of us who are boycotting them) and then the problem goes away!

BigE · February 14, 2011 9:18AM

Are these new rules put into place to protect buyers because too many fraudulent checks were being written etc., or to make more money for e-bay from pay-pal? Seems like they might lose business from people not being able to pay the way they want.---------BigE

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Tdec1000 · February 14, 2011 9:36AM

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<< Thanks for the clarification. I don't use these phrases myself, but I have seen plenty of other sellers auctions that feature similar wording. >>

Here's more from eBay on this:

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griff@ebay.com View Listings | Report Aug-20-08 17:26 PDT

j-t* :

Griff, can sellers then put a note in their listings for the buyer to contact them to use other payment methods not listed without saying what type?
- JT

pepinski9 :

Or can we say in our email to buyers contact us for other methods accepted or please let us know your preferred payment method.....

No.

Sellers will not be permitted to solicit paper payments in any way shape or form. Email, listing descriptions, etc. A seller will not be permitted to solicit buyers with a "please let us know your preferred payment method" email. If the buyer reports the seller and provides the email, the seller will risk sanctions.

Griff

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and

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jeffk@ebay.com View Listings | Report Aug-26-08 10:46 PDT

Q: Is it "legal" on ebay for a buyer to even ask to pay with a money order after these changes take effect?
Yes, a buyer can ask a seller if they can pay with a Money Order or Check.

A: You may only solicit approved payment methods in your listings or communications with buyers. This means you must be explicit about the payment methods you accept, and they must be approved.

Should a buyer initiate a conversation about alternate payment methods, it is your choice to accomomdate this request.

Here are the rules as of the October release date:

A seller may not solicit or advertise that the accept paper payments, either in their listing description or in their emails sent to their buyers.

A seller may not "hint" that other than approved payment methods are accepted, for example, an email to a buyer or a line in the description that says anything along the lines of "EMail me about other payment methods." OR "Email me if you have questions about these payment methods."

Anything, and I mean anything in a seller's listing that hints or alludes to unapproved payment methods will result in the listing's removal.

Attempts to circumvent this policy will be viewed and handled as such.

If a buyer asks a seller if they will accept a paper payment, the seller may accept or decline that request.

************************

Note that these rules were current as of August, 2008. I have no reason to believe eBay has relaxed their stand in the time since then. >>

How about putting THIS in your listing:

"Ebay/PayPal *SUCKS*, Contact Me For Details On Why They Do!"

THEN you tell 'em you'll take checks/MO's!! >>

I wonder what would happen then?

mrpotatoheadd · February 14, 2011 9:39AM

<< Are these new rules... >>

The rules are not new- they're 2 1/2 years old. As to why, I'd think it's because eBay thinks it's in the best interest of the company.

<< How about putting THIS in your listing: >>

Do as you like- you can list lawn darts tipped with rat poison for all I care. I'm just letting people know what eBay's stated position is on the "checks and money orders" thing.

BigE · February 14, 2011 9:56AM

I imagine a conniving dastardly crook could figure out who the old ladies were by their previous sales and figure they could get a rip by writing a bad check or M/O, so maybe it is best----------BigE

mrpotatoheadd · February 14, 2011 10:03AM

Personally, I don't like the policy. But then again, it's eBay's business, not mine. So they get to set the policy, not me.

jessewvu · February 14, 2011 10:21AM

<< You can offer incentives(say $25 back stated in your auction listing) for buyers in your auction if they send a check or money order or paypal echeck which is only $5 no matter how much the item sells for. They haven't stopped this so far. >>

I've been on eBay for about 10 years, I know a lot of the tricks. I ended up just putting the picture below in my listing until someone apparently turned me in and eBay told me to take it out. I'm guessing someone turned me in because I got a message from them saying I couldn't take checks. I wasn't even trying to keep the profit from taking something other than PayPal, I gave people a discount.

The reason I posted this thread was because eBay is apparently forcing you to have automatic payment methods set up. I don't know if it's needed for listing auctions manually, but because I use ebay's Blackthorne software, I think they force their policies on us first.

Connecticoin · February 15, 2011 2:31AM

<< what the heck is mature ebay? >>

A euphemism for porn.

I can't list items on eBay now without having a credit card to automatically pay my bills each month

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