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1967 Jefferson SMS 5FS?

leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,492 ✭✭✭✭✭
When did NGC start certifying SMS nickels for full steps?
1967 was a year when they modified, made improvements by strengthening the overall details including the steps to the nickel. The improved dies were only for the SMS issues in 1967 and not the business strikes. But were used to strike both BS and SMS for the 1968 to 1970 before the master hubs of 1939 were retired.
My point is, 5 full step 1967 SMS nickels are not that uncommon. A 1967 SMS with 6 steps would be the challenge, not 5!


Leo

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  • BigDowgieBigDowgie Posts: 1,780 ✭✭✭✭
    Hey, I guess they want to make a mark on the series somehow. However, I have to say, not a bad idea for the 65, 66 and 67 SMSs. Maybe they will start adding step count on Proofs as well?
  • leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,492 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Maybe they will start adding step count on Proofs as well?


    Well no, of course, but we already have enough fodder out there for most to play in. I guess a little more wouldn't hurt.

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  • WoodenJeffersonWoodenJefferson Posts: 6,491 ✭✭✭✭
    Numismedia

    Numismedia has the SMS listed under the Business Strike coin listing (no step valuation)



    NGC

    NGC has them list in the PROOF listings (no step valuation)


    PCGS

    PCGS they have their own category listing cameo (no step valuation)

    After all these years, I still find all of this perplexing and there is no way on this earth these SMS Jeffersons should command a $3,000 price tag. Yikes! Maybe for a 1964 SMS example...this is just crazy. NGC
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  • keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
    at least PCGS has gotten past their old habit of almost automatically assigning every 1965-67 business strike coin submitted the SMS designation. to the question of five or six steps, i have found that none of the SMS years are common in five steps let alone six and even the coins from these years graded by PCGS/NGC as MS66/67/68 CAM/DCAM aren't necessarily 5-6 step coins.more typically they are semi-wheelchair ramp coins. if only the presses would have been powered up a little higher!!
  • mingotmingot Posts: 1,807 ✭✭✭
    I have 6646 raw, 6656 (with a big enough nick under the 2nd pillar to keep it from an FS designation) PCGS67, and a 6446 PCGS67.

    As close as all of these are it seems like a 5FS coin couldn't be to rare. Going to a show tomorrow, will look at all of the 1967's that I see.

    Edit to say: I am only talking about 1967 sms coins, which have the new reverse with the recut steps.
  • sinin1sinin1 Posts: 7,500
    NGC seems to pick up things from other services (like ANACS in this case)

    but that price seems rather high
  • leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,492 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>NGC seems to pick up things from other services (like ANACS in this case)

    but that price seems rather high >>



    What smart collectors do is look at a couple hundred of a date to see for themselves what's up. If they're lucky, they won't need to worry about shelling out 3 grand.


    Leo

    The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!

    My Jefferson Nickel Collection

  • BigDowgieBigDowgie Posts: 1,780 ✭✭✭✭
    I was joking on the "adding steps to proofs". However, adding step designation is worthy thought. My observations on SMS coins align with keets. Full step SMS coins are not that common. A bunch may get close, but close is not full step.

    Everyone should take Leo's advice, look at a bunch of SMS coins; you will find some FS coins. they won't cost $3K!

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