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For fans of original, crusty Pioneer Gold

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Picked these up yesterday - it is always a thrill to handle material that hasn't been "improved" over the years.

What is now proved was once only imagined. - William Blake

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  • RegulatedRegulated Posts: 2,994 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Don't the reverses on these coins look suspiciously similar?

    [edited to add] - I guess it is numismatic discovery Friday - somehow, nobody ever noticed that the reverse die on some of the 1854 $20 Kelloggs was previously used to make the 1853 $20 Moffats. This makes sense, since Kellogg was an employee of the Assay Office in 1853, and the Moffat $20s were actually an Assay Office product.

    What is now proved was once only imagined. - William Blake
  • CharlotteDudeCharlotteDude Posts: 3,170 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Gorgeous pair of ladies, Dave. One of these days, I'm going to dive into the realm of Bechtler issues, and a new quest will begin.
    Got Crust....y gold?
  • RegulatedRegulated Posts: 2,994 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I may be able to help you out in the department. How have you been? I haven't seen you at a show in ages...

    What is now proved was once only imagined. - William Blake
  • Dennis88Dennis88 Posts: 5,797 ✭✭✭
    Extremely cool. You know I love this stuffimage

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  • RegulatedRegulated Posts: 2,994 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Just confirmed my suspicion with a photo overlay. I love Photoshop.

    What is now proved was once only imagined. - William Blake
  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,461 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Very nice - thanks for posting both AND for the new info.
    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal.
  • fcfc Posts: 12,793 ✭✭✭
    are those pics actually what they look like in hand?
    or did you train at the school of DW photography?
  • RegulatedRegulated Posts: 2,994 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The Moffat is identical and the Kellogg's toning is correct, although the underlying gold is a hair greener in person.

    What is now proved was once only imagined. - William Blake
  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,800 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That pair would look great in Lakesammman's collection. image
    My Box of 20: https://pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/box-20/ryks-gold-box-20/17132
  • GoldenEyeNumismaticsGoldenEyeNumismatics Posts: 13,187 ✭✭✭
    Nice coins.
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,891 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nice toning and original but I wouldn't consider it "crusty".

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
    "Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
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  • RegulatedRegulated Posts: 2,994 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The only way these could be crustier is if I baked them in a loaf of bread.

    What is now proved was once only imagined. - William Blake
  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,422 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The only way these could be crustier is if I baked them in a loaf of bread.

    Maybe that would work in the old days. But today, we have The Sniffer.
    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

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  • bidaskbidask Posts: 14,031 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Terrific looking rare and historical coins.....thanks for sharing.
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  • AMRCAMRC Posts: 4,280 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Very nice.
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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,891 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>The only way these could be crustier is if I baked them in a loaf of bread. >>



    How do you define "crusty"? I thought the term "crusty" applied to a dirty coin with dirt and filth packed into the recesses of the letters and other design elements.

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
    "Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
    "Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire

  • RegulatedRegulated Posts: 2,994 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I've always thought that it had more to do with the thickness of the original skin on the coin, although both of these have some original dirt left in the protected areas...

    What is now proved was once only imagined. - William Blake
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,891 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I've always thought that it had more to do with the thickness of the original skin on the coin, although both of these have some original dirt left in the protected areas... >>



    In any event, it's a great coin with lots of history. I love that coppery tone.

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
    "Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
    "Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire

  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,461 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The reverse of the 1853 looks like a LDS than the 1854.....am I seeing things incorrectly??
    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal.
  • ranshdowranshdow Posts: 1,442 ✭✭✭✭
    Very nice.
  • RegulatedRegulated Posts: 2,994 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The die was lapped after the Moffat was struck, but before the Kellogg.

    What is now proved was once only imagined. - William Blake
  • NumisOxideNumisOxide Posts: 11,003 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Not a big fan of gold coins but I do think the territorial and pioneer pieces are cool!

    Sweet additions!
  • clackamasclackamas Posts: 5,615 ✭
    Get rid of the Duccati photo, or make it smaller. I get it, you like your bike, most of us don't give a rat, andwe don't want to see a pic of it with every post.
  • TheRegulatorTheRegulator Posts: 1,232 ✭✭✭
    Killer stuff. Thanks for sharing.

    Any backstory on the pieces or provenance that you can share?
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  • GoldbullyGoldbully Posts: 17,982 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Get rid of the Duccati photo, or make it smaller. I get it, you like your bike, most of us don't give a rat, andwe don't want to see a pic of it with every post. >>



    Great looking gold!!!

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    I like the bike too!! image
  • drddmdrddm Posts: 5,402 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Very nice.
  • goldengolden Posts: 9,998 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Super coins!!! image
  • avenue7avenue7 Posts: 54
    I love the originality of the coins...
  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,461 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Clackamas:

    Didn't Don PM you too - I had only 2 lines and got a nasty gram.........
    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal.
  • tmot99tmot99 Posts: 5,238 ✭✭✭
    Very cool! Good to see you post again. Haven't seen you in awhile!
  • EagleEyeEagleEye Posts: 7,677 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looks like the same eagle/star hub, but not the same dies. The tail of the eagle is slightly different in it's relationship to the letters. Also, the shield looks a bit different. Could be the shield is not part of the eagle/star hub?
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  • fitch76fitch76 Posts: 11
    nice coins
  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,794 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Get rid of the Duccati photo, or make it smaller. I get it, you like your bike, most of us don't give a rat, andwe don't want to see a pic of it with every post. >>



    Great looking gold!!!

    image
    I like the bike too!! image >>



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  • RegulatedRegulated Posts: 2,994 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Rick -

    I think the apparent differences are the result of lighting, lapping and a slight (2 degree) rotation of the coins - when I did an overlay, everything lined right up.

    What is now proved was once only imagined. - William Blake
  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,800 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    My Box of 20: https://pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/box-20/ryks-gold-box-20/17132

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