<< <i>So would it be safe to say that we have 3 classes of coin collectors...
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It would appear so. It also appears that some here think if you choose to collect certain categories of that list, you are a 'fool'. I think they would be hard pressed to convince Steph (coinsareus) that she is a 'fool' to collect those gorgeous tokens she is so kind as to share with us.
<< <i>Is somebody suggesting that I am dumb for collecting any of these? Which one(s) don't belong? I agree with Notsure. >>
According to Dragon (and his 'greater fool theory'), I believe you'd be a 'fool', not dumb, jmski52.
Those ALL belong, if you like them (and I like them all too, really taking a shine to those Wirtlands...even the 'Norfed'). I always thought one of the basic 'rules' was to COLLECT WHAT YOU LIKE.....noone should be considered a 'fool' because they like something and want to collect it. And thank you for agreeing with me, jmski52....a veteran like yourself agreeing with a point I made, well, it made my day!!! I finally feel like I didn't say something entirely useless, which I tend to do at times.
I think the silver coin is a 'norfed' dollar. I don't think they are available from the maker. The maker got in trouble for advertising them as a real alternative to US currency for transactions.
I think the Norfed coins are still available on ebay, but I haven't checked lately. They usually sell for a nominal premium over melt, or they used to anyhow.
Q: Are You Printing Money? Bernanke: Not Literally
<< <i>So would it be safe to say that we have 3 classes of coin collectors...
Classic Coin Collectors (CCC) Modern Cr@p Coin Collectors (MCCC) Not Real Coin Collectors (NRCC) >>
It would appear so. It also appears that some here think if you choose to collect certain categories of that list, you are a 'fool'. I think they would be hard pressed to convince Steph (coinsareus) that she is a 'fool' to collect those gorgeous tokens she is so kind as to share with us. >>
What ever happened to the coin ANACS slabbed? Was a photo of it posted? I would like to see what kind of slab was used, the curved top yellow / gold label holder or the normal slab blue label.
I would like to get some slabbed and since PCGS won't slab them I would send to ANACS if they are using the blue label regular holder. I don't like the curved top yellow / gold label holder
I would like to ask if the person who got one slabbed could post a photo or even just a scan of the coin in the ANACS holder or at least tell us which holder his coin is in? Blue Label or Yellow / Gold Label with the curved top?
<< <i>How about some giant silver amero the beautiful hockey pucks ? There's a demand >>
I think he would have to buy another coin press to make three-inchers.......
Numismatist. 54 year member ANA. Former ANA Senior Authenticator. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and ANA Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Also won the PNG's Robert Friedberg Award for "The Enigmatic Lincoln Cents of 1922," Available now from Whitman or Amazon.
.and those NORFED coins are on eBay by the fistfulls ......... I had no idea they even existed !
I'm still waiting for my Matte's .......... >>
The Norfed's were fetching mucho $$ immediately after the seizure, but settled down, and are now very reasonable, and as PP said, they are plentiful. As for the '64-D mattes, I believe D. Carr said they'd be shipping soon...some may have left already (mine apparently hasn't yet), but I'd expect shipping in the next few days, where they are already produced.
I do wonder what went down with the PL/DMPL'S, though......total mintage was 183, released was 128??? I know he mentioned about 7 were used for the matte, but 55 weren't released after striking......care to fill us in, Dan? Nothing on the blog about it, and that's a big spread between minted and released.
I do wonder what went down with the PL/DMPL'S, though......total mintage was 183, released was 128??? I know he mentioned about 7 were used for the matte, but 55 weren't released after striking......care to fill us in, Dan? Nothing on the blog about it, and that's a big spread between minted and released. >>
as I recall,,,,,Dan stated in the thread somewhere that after sand blasting many coins had areas in the surface that chipped out or gave away and were unsuitable for sale.
<< <i>He told me mine was shipped on Wed. I'll be looking for it in tomorrows mail probably. >>
Ditto here, though it doesn't show 'shipped' in my account, and haven't received a 'shipped' confirmation email. He's apparently hammered with orders (probably due to the article in CW).
Haven't received mine yet either but I am not in a hurry. Obviously he got quite a few orders in a short amount of time due to the sell out. A MS-68 and a PL went up on eBay as a combined lot. I have nothing to do with the auction, but will be watching it. I would have separated the coins out in two listings but that is my opinion......
<< <i>Thanks for the info. I'll be watching the ebay auction. I've been wanting to get the proof, what would be a fair price for the 68 and proof? >>
Considering this went for $235, and this went for $202.50, the pair in that listing, I'll throw out a guess of about $500...give or take (where the PL/DMPL is in the mix). The listing in question will be the tell-all of what these will do on the secondary market for starters...but, don't forget my sig line.....
<< <i>Thanks for the info. I'll be watching the ebay auction. I've been wanting to get the proof, what would be a fair price for the 68 and proof? >>
Considering this went for $235, and this went for $202.50, the pair in that listing, I'll throw out a guess of about $500...give or take (where the PL/DMPL is in the mix). The listing in question will be the tell-all of what these will do on the secondary market for starters...but, don't forget my sig line..... >>
You know what is funny is that I am pretty sure last night when I saw the listing it had a buy it now of $435. Which sounded pretty reasonable considering a sold out product. So it will be interesting to see how it ends.
The vast majority of matte coins have been shipped as of yesterday. A few orders that also contained 2011 Ameros are still pending (I've had issues completing the 2011 Amero dies, but I'm getting closer to finishing them). I haven't updated the order status on my eCommerce site yet, but will soon.
For some reason the phrase "lipstick on a pig" leaps to mind......
Numismatist. 54 year member ANA. Former ANA Senior Authenticator. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and ANA Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Also won the PNG's Robert Friedberg Award for "The Enigmatic Lincoln Cents of 1922," Available now from Whitman or Amazon.
<< <i>........mine are all "hogs" ..........., but really - how many did you buy ? >>
I don't buy counterfeits............... or sell them!
Numismatist. 54 year member ANA. Former ANA Senior Authenticator. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and ANA Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Also won the PNG's Robert Friedberg Award for "The Enigmatic Lincoln Cents of 1922," Available now from Whitman or Amazon.
<< <i>So would it be safe to say that we have 3 classes of coin collectors...
Classic Coin Collectors (CCC) Modern Cr@p Coin Collectors (MCCC) Not Real Coin Collectors (NRCC) >>
It would appear so. It also appears that some here think if you choose to collect certain categories of that list, you are a 'fool'. I think they would be hard pressed to convince Steph (coinsareus) that she is a 'fool' to collect those gorgeous tokens she is so kind as to share with us. >>
And what about my Papal Medals ?
>>
Wow, that Papal medal has the most detail I have ever seen outside of some of the Conder series. What a beautiful coin!
<< <i>.......I think it's safe to say the Capt. hate's the Fantasy dollars as much as I love them ..........
so much hate , so much negative input , ................... >>
Ironic considering his sig line says "Hate kills".
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
I don't think Captn is out of line. He has one opinion, he may be right or wrong but that doesn't make him into a hater. There's no doubt that Captn is a traditionalist.
I've bought all but one of the 1964-D Peace Dollar varieties. I actually like the Brilliant Strikes with full luster the best. I think that they are somewhat cool, but I can't quite wax poetic about these coins like PP. These coins are certainly in a "gray area", and I'm absolutely sure that D.Carr knew that the whole time - from start to finish - while he was designing and producing these.
D.Carr is pretty much a master of the "gray area". That being the case, I think we all know that at some point these coins could be declared off-limits in some way. If that's part of the allure, so be it.
I think that D.Carr has done a heckova job in combining his artistic talent, technical expertise and controversy. His product line needs a little cohesion, imo, but who's to say that too much organization or regimentation wouldn't be a hindrance to his overall efforts?
I say, give the man some room and let him run for awhile. See what else he comes up with. It's becoming an interesting ride. Go, Daniel!
Q: Are You Printing Money? Bernanke: Not Literally
sure , Mr. Delory is free to express his opinion , but to constantly pound the issue with his disdain for the coins on nearly every thread about them serves no positive outcome ;
and I think is hateful in nature .
Additionally , to accuse D.Carr of outright counterfeiting is libelous , since counterfeiting is illegal and Mr. Carr has been selling his fantasy pieces for several months
without incidence , unless you count the squealing objections of dubious swinish nature voiced on these boards .
Well, the whole counterfeiting issue in regards to this fantasy piece has been absurd from the get-go, and for the following reasons:
1) Anyone buying or selling this 1964-D issue as a true rarity will already know that 1964-D Peace Dollars don't exist. The exception is in the case of a con-man trying to sell one to the proverbial little ole lady, and the con-man can and will sell almost ANYTHING to the the little ole lady, so this piece is nothing special in that regard.
2) If someone was given or paid with this and told it was a legal tender dollar, the irony is that it's going to be worth way more than a dollar or an ounce of silver. In this case, the seller is going to be on the losing end.
You can argue all kinds of special cases, as you can with anything, but the chances anyone will "fall victim" to this piece of art is no greater than anything else--and probably a lot less.
As in politics, most over-the-top reactions (such as those we've seen on the boards) stem from fear. In this case, it's most likely fear of competition and or loss of assets. After all, if people are buying these, they may not be putting their money into real coins, and therefore, the value of those real coins will drop. The irony here is that if people get really excited about these, they will probably be MORE likely to also purchase some real classic coins. Isn't there a pertinent quote about fear from Star Wars that should go in here?
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Modern Cr@p Coin Collectors (MCCC)
Not Real Coin Collectors (NRCC)
<< <i>So would it be safe to say that we have 3 classes of coin collectors...
Classic Coin Collectors (CCC)
Modern Cr@p Coin Collectors (MCCC)
Not Real Coin Collectors (NRCC) >>
It would appear so. It also appears that some here think if you choose to collect certain categories of that list, you are a 'fool'. I think they would be hard pressed to convince Steph (coinsareus) that she is a 'fool' to collect those gorgeous tokens she is so kind as to share with us.
I knew it would happen.
Have a 5 coin holder put together with embossing of types and die
We need a larger order to do this.....
Both black and white inserts....
<< <i>Is somebody suggesting that I am dumb for collecting any of these? Which one(s) don't belong? I agree with Notsure. >>
According to Dragon (and his 'greater fool theory'), I believe you'd be a 'fool', not dumb, jmski52.
Those ALL belong, if you like them (and I like them all too, really taking a shine to those Wirtlands...even the 'Norfed'). I always thought one of the basic 'rules' was to COLLECT WHAT YOU LIKE.....noone should be considered a 'fool' because they like something and want to collect it. And thank you for agreeing with me, jmski52....a veteran like yourself agreeing with a point I made, well, it made my day!!! I finally feel like I didn't say something entirely useless, which I tend to do at times.
I knew it would happen.
I knew it would happen.
<< <i>
<< <i>So would it be safe to say that we have 3 classes of coin collectors...
Classic Coin Collectors (CCC)
Modern Cr@p Coin Collectors (MCCC)
Not Real Coin Collectors (NRCC) >>
It would appear so. It also appears that some here think if you choose to collect certain categories of that list, you are a 'fool'. I think they would be hard pressed to convince Steph (coinsareus) that she is a 'fool' to collect those gorgeous tokens she is so kind as to share with us. >>
And what about my Papal Medals ?
What about them, other than being awesome?
I knew it would happen.
<< <i>And what about my Papal Medals ?
What about them, other than being awesome?
I would say medals
But it does highlight the different niches in the hobby.
So I guess it all goes back to "Collect What You Like"
64-d peace dollars
papal medals deserve another thread.
Hey
How about a 3 over 8
I would like to get some slabbed and since PCGS won't slab them I would send to ANACS if they are using the blue label regular holder. I don't like the curved top yellow / gold label holder
I would like to ask if the person who got one slabbed could post a photo or even just a scan of the coin in the ANACS holder or at least tell us which holder his coin is in? Blue Label or Yellow / Gold Label with the curved top?
Any info would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks, GrandAm
.and those NORFED coins are on eBay by the fistfulls ......... I had no idea they even existed !
I'm still waiting for my Matte's ..........
https://acoinshop.com/ —-> https://ebay.us/m/KxolR5
<< <i>How about some giant silver amero the beautiful hockey pucks ? There's a demand
I think he would have to buy another coin press to make three-inchers.......
<< <i>PCGS isn't slabbing them ...........yet
.and those NORFED coins are on eBay by the fistfulls ......... I had no idea they even existed !
I'm still waiting for my Matte's .......... >>
The Norfed's were fetching mucho $$ immediately after the seizure, but settled down, and are now very reasonable, and as PP said, they are plentiful. As for the '64-D mattes, I believe D. Carr said they'd be shipping soon...some may have left already (mine apparently hasn't yet), but I'd expect shipping in the next few days, where they are already produced.
I do wonder what went down with the PL/DMPL'S, though......total mintage was 183, released was 128??? I know he mentioned about 7 were used for the matte, but 55 weren't released after striking......care to fill us in, Dan? Nothing on the blog about it, and that's a big spread between minted and released.
<< <i>
<< <i>PCGS isn't slabbing them ...........yet
I do wonder what went down with the PL/DMPL'S, though......total mintage was 183, released was 128??? I know he mentioned about 7 were used for the matte, but 55 weren't released after striking......care to fill us in, Dan? Nothing on the blog about it, and that's a big spread between minted and released. >>
as I recall,,,,,Dan stated in the thread somewhere that after sand blasting many coins had areas in the surface that chipped out or gave away and were unsuitable for sale.
GrandAm
<< <i>He told me mine was shipped on Wed. I'll be looking for it in tomorrows mail probably. >>
Ditto here, though it doesn't show 'shipped' in my account, and haven't received a 'shipped' confirmation email. He's apparently hammered with orders (probably due to the article in CW).
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<< <i>Thanks for the info. I'll be watching the ebay auction. I've been wanting to get the proof, what would be a fair price for the 68 and proof? >>
Considering this went for $235, and this went for $202.50, the pair in that listing, I'll throw out a guess of about $500...give or take (where the PL/DMPL is in the mix). The listing in question will be the tell-all of what these will do on the secondary market for starters...but, don't forget my sig line.....
<< <i>
<< <i>Thanks for the info. I'll be watching the ebay auction. I've been wanting to get the proof, what would be a fair price for the 68 and proof? >>
Considering this went for $235, and this went for $202.50, the pair in that listing, I'll throw out a guess of about $500...give or take (where the PL/DMPL is in the mix). The listing in question will be the tell-all of what these will do on the secondary market for starters...but, don't forget my sig line.....
You know what is funny is that I am pretty sure last night when I saw the listing it had a buy it now of $435. Which sounded pretty reasonable considering a sold out product. So it will be interesting to see how it ends.
A few orders that also contained 2011 Ameros are still pending
(I've had issues completing the 2011 Amero dies, but I'm getting closer to finishing them).
I haven't updated the order status on my eCommerce site yet, but will soon.
.....and I predict that will be the one that rises to the top of the most popular list
r95
just think how awesomely cool it would be to see them all like that in PCGS plastic !
<< <i>For some reason the phrase "lipstick on a pig" leaps to mind......
Somebody's jealous. Na na na na naaaaa na
<< <i>
<< <i>For some reason the phrase "lipstick on a pig" leaps to mind......
Somebody's jealous. Na na na na naaaaa na
I believe so....he's been a detractor from Day One.....I guess the good (?) Capt. doesn't believe in 'collect what you like'.
<< <i>........mine are all "hogs" ..........., but really - how many did you buy ?
I don't buy counterfeits...............
or sell them!
and I think it's safe to say the Capt. hate's the Fantasy dollars as much as I love them ..........
so much hate , so much negative input , ...................
<< <i>
<< <i>
<< <i>So would it be safe to say that we have 3 classes of coin collectors...
Classic Coin Collectors (CCC)
Modern Cr@p Coin Collectors (MCCC)
Not Real Coin Collectors (NRCC) >>
It would appear so. It also appears that some here think if you choose to collect certain categories of that list, you are a 'fool'. I think they would be hard pressed to convince Steph (coinsareus) that she is a 'fool' to collect those gorgeous tokens she is so kind as to share with us. >>
And what about my Papal Medals ?
Wow, that Papal medal has the most detail I have ever seen outside of some of the Conder series. What a beautiful coin!
<< <i>.......I think it's safe to say the Capt. hate's the Fantasy dollars as much as I love them ..........
so much hate , so much negative input , ................... >>
Ironic considering his sig line says "Hate kills".
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
I've bought all but one of the 1964-D Peace Dollar varieties. I actually like the Brilliant Strikes with full luster the best. I think that they are somewhat cool, but I can't quite wax poetic about these coins like PP. These coins are certainly in a "gray area", and I'm absolutely sure that D.Carr knew that the whole time - from start to finish - while he was designing and producing these.
D.Carr is pretty much a master of the "gray area". That being the case, I think we all know that at some point these coins could be declared off-limits in some way. If that's part of the allure, so be it.
I think that D.Carr has done a heckova job in combining his artistic talent, technical expertise and controversy. His product line needs a little cohesion, imo, but who's to say that too much organization or regimentation wouldn't be a hindrance to his overall efforts?
I say, give the man some room and let him run for awhile. See what else he comes up with. It's becoming an interesting ride. Go, Daniel!
I knew it would happen.
Just ordered my set last night!
Dan's 2011 Ameros
and I think is hateful in nature .
Additionally , to accuse D.Carr of outright counterfeiting is libelous , since counterfeiting is illegal and Mr. Carr has been selling his fantasy pieces for several months
without incidence , unless you count the squealing objections of dubious swinish nature voiced on these boards .
1) Anyone buying or selling this 1964-D issue as a true rarity will already know that 1964-D Peace Dollars don't exist. The exception is in the case of a con-man trying to sell one to the proverbial little ole lady, and the con-man can and will sell almost ANYTHING to the the little ole lady, so this piece is nothing special in that regard.
2) If someone was given or paid with this and told it was a legal tender dollar, the irony is that it's going to be worth way more than a dollar or an ounce of silver. In this case, the seller is going to be on the losing end.
You can argue all kinds of special cases, as you can with anything, but the chances anyone will "fall victim" to this piece of art is no greater than anything else--and probably a lot less.
As in politics, most over-the-top reactions (such as those we've seen on the boards) stem from fear. In this case, it's most likely fear of competition and or loss of assets. After all, if people are buying these, they may not be putting their money into real coins, and therefore, the value of those real coins will drop. The irony here is that if people get really excited about these, they will probably be MORE likely to also purchase some real classic coins. Isn't there a pertinent quote about fear from Star Wars that should go in here?