Counterfeit holder?

TonedRarities · January 12, 2011 3:14PM

Something doesnt seem right about this coin. The colors look like an obvious AT job and a having only 11 feedback doesnt help.

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lordmarcovan · January 12, 2011 3:19PM

I don't see the Chinese, or those who would be counterfeiting PCGS holders, as being subtle enough to do it just to hide some AT. If the coin were a Bust dollar or a Gobrecht dollar, yeah, maybe, but I don't see anything wrong with that holder.

AT? Not my forte. I dunno. It looks a bit wildly colored and heat-induced, I suppose. The toning is too dark for me to get much excited about, in any event.

morgandollar1878 · January 12, 2011 4:13PM

I don't think that it's a fake holder. I think it is just crappy pics.

canadanz · January 12, 2011 4:16PM

Two of the photos are of the coin not in the holder. It definitely doesn't look right to me.

sinin1 · January 12, 2011 4:18PM

The seller shows individual pics/scan? of coin outside of slab, before submission/insertion which takes planning but some people can do that
I am not sure all 4 pics/scans are of same coin

last 3 sales that have feedback are high higher ticket PCGS coins

the 1932-D quarter in PCGS MS64 they sold in last couple months looks kinda ugly for a 64 (if you told me it was a 58,I wouldn't argue)
-but could just be glare/ light reflection on pics

TonedRarities · January 12, 2011 4:29PM

the coin just doesnt look right to me, something about the color throws up a red flag.

PinkFloyd · January 12, 2011 4:30PM

I agree-crappy pics. Looks a little funky but it's probably real. I'd pass though.

GoldenEyeNumismatics · January 12, 2011 6:22PM

I'm extremely suspicious.

coinguy1 · January 13, 2011 12:12AM

I think the coin's color is somewhat unusual, but that the offering is perfectly legitimate.

commoncents05 · January 13, 2011 12:37AM

Real coin, fake holder IMO. Font is too bold on the label.

-Paul

dsessom · January 13, 2011 1:30AM

Not that there is anything wrong with the coin or the holder - I'd just be leary of buying anything from a seller with 11 feedbacks. But that's just me.

coinguy1 · January 13, 2011 1:33AM

<< Not that there is anything wrong with the coin or the holder - I'd just be leary of buying anything from a seller with 11 feedbacks. But that's just me.

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I can understand that, but check the last three items he has received positive feedback on.

jamesfsm · January 13, 2011 2:09AM

The label looks too big.

sinin1 · January 13, 2011 2:19AM

I can understand that, but check the last three items he has received positive feedback on.

The seller has delivered what they showed listed - does not guarantee the slab is legit

this coin in question did not meet reserve in the past, so they think highly of it

ModCrewman · January 13, 2011 2:22AM

The bold font on the holder scares me...as does the fact that 21 of his first 27 feedbacks left came from 4 buyers.

coinguy1 · January 13, 2011 2:26AM

<< I can understand that, but check the last three items he has received positive feedback on.

The seller has delivered what they showed listed - does not guarantee the slab is legit....

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I never said or implied that it did. And your comment could be applied to any seller, no matter how high their feedback. My remark was in reply to "- I'd just be leary of buying anything from a seller with 11 feedbacks".

dsessom · January 13, 2011 2:29AM

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I can understand that, but check the last three items he has received positive feedback on. >>

Yeah. You don't find it a little odd that the seller went from selling cheap, raw coins for $10 and $20 to all of a sudden having $2k and $3k coins? Also...

It didn't meet the "low reserve" last time and was relisted. I don't like being skeptical, but this one scares me a little.

TonedRarities · January 13, 2011 2:35AM

the colors are way off what morgans come with, especially on an 1881-O. I personally think the holders fake and that scares me if PCGS actually certified something with purple and red toning.

MsMorrisine · January 13, 2011 2:35AM

<< fake holder IMO. Font is too bold on the label.

-Paul >>

coinguy1 · January 13, 2011 2:37AM

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I can understand that, but check the last three items he has received positive feedback on. >>

Yeah. You don't find it a little odd that the seller went from selling cheap, raw coins for $10 and $20 to all of a sudden having $2k and $3k coins? Also...

It didn't meet the "low reserve" last time and was relisted. I don't like being skeptical, but this one scares me a little. >>

Sure, I'd be cautious, but do you really think the seller is in cahoots with the last three people who left positive feedback on coins that sold for several hundred+ dollars ? And if he had started out with more valuable coins, instead of lower priced ones, people would be even more suspicious.

Lastly, the images of the coin out of the holder look like a coin that could grade 65 and be NT, and it appears to match what is seen in the holder. So, all things considered, I cautiously vote no scam here.

TonedRarities · January 13, 2011 2:38AM

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<< fake holder IMO. Font is too bold on the label.

-Paul >>

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I also dont think the coin is real either.

TonedRarities · January 13, 2011 2:38AM

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I can understand that, but check the last three items he has received positive feedback on. >>

Yeah. You don't find it a little odd that the seller went from selling cheap, raw coins for $10 and $20 to all of a sudden having $2k and $3k coins? Also...

It didn't meet the "low reserve" last time and was relisted. I don't like being skeptical, but this one scares me a little. >>

Sure, I'd be cautious, but do you really think the seller is in cahoots with the last three people who left positive feedback on coins that sold for several hundred+ dollars ? And if he had started out with more valuable coins, instead of lower priced ones, people would be even more suspicious.

Lastly, the images of the coin out of the holder look like a coin that could grade 65 and be NT, and it appears to match what is seen in the holder. So, all things considered, I cautiously vote no scam here. >>

Look at the date of the coin. Sorry but 1881-Os dont come like that no matter how you slice it.

coinguy1 · January 13, 2011 2:50AM

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I can understand that, but check the last three items he has received positive feedback on. >>

Yeah. You don't find it a little odd that the seller went from selling cheap, raw coins for $10 and $20 to all of a sudden having $2k and $3k coins? Also...

It didn't meet the "low reserve" last time and was relisted. I don't like being skeptical, but this one scares me a little. >>

Sure, I'd be cautious, but do you really think the seller is in cahoots with the last three people who left positive feedback on coins that sold for several hundred+ dollars ? And if he had started out with more valuable coins, instead of lower priced ones, people would be even more suspicious.

Lastly, the images of the coin out of the holder look like a coin that could grade 65 and be NT, and it appears to match what is seen in the holder. So, all things considered, I cautiously vote no scam here. >>

Look at the date of the coin. Sorry but 1881-Os dont come like that no matter how you slice it. >>

So, you're saying that this coin is unquestionably either an altered date or a counterfeit. I disagree,

TonedRarities · January 13, 2011 3:10AM

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<< Not that there is anything wrong with the coin or the holder - I'd just be leary of buying anything from a seller with 11 feedbacks. But that's just me.

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I can understand that, but check the last three items he has received positive feedback on. >>

Yeah. You don't find it a little odd that the seller went from selling cheap, raw coins for $10 and $20 to all of a sudden having $2k and $3k coins? Also...

It didn't meet the "low reserve" last time and was relisted. I don't like being skeptical, but this one scares me a little. >>

Sure, I'd be cautious, but do you really think the seller is in cahoots with the last three people who left positive feedback on coins that sold for several hundred+ dollars ? And if he had started out with more valuable coins, instead of lower priced ones, people would be even more suspicious.

Lastly, the images of the coin out of the holder look like a coin that could grade 65 and be NT, and it appears to match what is seen in the holder. So, all things considered, I cautiously vote no scam here. >>

Look at the date of the coin. Sorry but 1881-Os dont come like that no matter how you slice it. >>

So, you're saying that this coin is unquestionably either an altered date or a counterfeit. I disagree,

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Artificially toned, PCGS wouldnt certify that with a 10ft pole. Fake holder, real coin, artificially toned.

coinguy1 · January 13, 2011 3:13AM

<< .....Artificially toned, PCGS wouldnt certify that with a 10ft pole. Fake holder, real coin, artificially toned. >>

But in your previous post, you wrote "Look at the date of the coin. Sorry but 1881-Os dont come like that no matter how you slice it."

Raybob15239 · January 13, 2011 3:17AM

Looks OK to me... I think he just juiced the photos to highlight the ugly tarnish.

TonedRarities · January 13, 2011 3:24AM

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But in your previous post, you wrote "Look at the date of the coin. Sorry but 1881-Os dont come like that no matter how you slice it." >>

Yes, Toning wise. They don't tone like that.

coinguy1 · January 13, 2011 3:48AM

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But in your previous post, you wrote "Look at the date of the coin. Sorry but 1881-Os dont come like that no matter how you slice it." >>

Yes, Toning wise. They don't tone like that. >>

It is often dangerous to assume that a coin looks extremely similar to how it appears in an image. And your theory as to why the coin and holder are not legitimate requires a number of assumptions. I'll go with a much simpler explanation that the image isn't very good.

I sent a message to the seller, along with a link to his thread, and told him I would be happy to post a response on his behalf, if he is interested.

coinguy1 · January 13, 2011 4:10AM

From the EBay seller:

"I'm a ANA,PCGS,NGC,ICG,ANACS,Member for over # 20 year's now....And this will not be the first or last certified or raw rainbow toned coin I'll be listing...Seeing how I've been collecting DMPL's & rainbow's for the past # 15 year's....As for my reply to anyone ...Read my feedback now and in # 5 year's....I ship fast and give a 100% guarantee of authentication on all raw & certified coin's I sell......Note: I look'ed at the website you mention'ed...It look's like there's openion's on maney thing's there.....God bless and have a nice Day......Jim"

mrcoin3 · January 13, 2011 4:19AM

Well, there ya go Mark. It must be right because the eBay seller says it is.
I'm so glad that's settled.

coinguy1 · January 13, 2011 4:28AM

<< Well, there ya go Mark. It must be right because the eBay seller says it is.
I'm so glad that's settled.

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I merely posted the seller's reply. It obviously doesn't settle things, just as none of the accusations nor counter points posted here, settle things.

mrcoin3 · January 13, 2011 4:36AM

Of course Mark. My reply was sarcastic humor at the response you received from the eBay seller only

TonedRarities · January 13, 2011 4:45AM

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<< .....Artificially toned, PCGS wouldnt certify that with a 10ft pole. Fake holder, real coin, artificially toned. >>

But in your previous post, you wrote "Look at the date of the coin. Sorry but 1881-Os dont come like that no matter how you slice it." >>

Yes, Toning wise. They don't tone like that. >>

It is often dangerous to assume that a coin looks extremely similar to how it appears in an image. And your theory as to why the coin and holder are not legitimate requires a number of assumptions. I'll go with a much simpler explanation that the image isn't very good.

I sent a message to the seller, along with a link to his thread, and told him I would be happy to post a response on his behalf, if he is interested. >>

IMO from the picture it looks AT, that's just my opinion. But you know how badly some pictures are taken/juiced

morgandollar1878 · January 13, 2011 4:49AM

At least the seller is providing a 7 day return policy.

PawPaul · January 13, 2011 10:14AM

kinda reminds me of this one similar toned dollar

JupitarCoins · January 13, 2011 10:33AM

I do not think that coin would grade a 65 imo, by the pics their appear to be rub on the eagle's breast.

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