PCGS grades first ever? white MS67 Franklin...

bushmaster8 · January 27, 2009 5:31AM

To my knowledge, up until this coin was graded, ALL other MS67 Franklins were toned.

fc · January 27, 2009 5:35AM

<< To my knowledge, up until this coin was graded, ALL other MS67 Franklins were toned. >>

does that mean you think it was dipped? is there any way to verify
if it was in a 66 slab or something and it upgraded?

i have no idea of the pops of this date/series.. and how hard it would
be to do such a thing.

MadMarty · January 27, 2009 5:41AM

it was dipped in the holder...

PCcoins · January 27, 2009 5:42AM

Probably dipped out. But that coins is very clean, a nice 67FBL.

Johnp · January 27, 2009 5:54AM

First one I have seen very nice

tahoe98 · January 27, 2009 6:02AM

...........very nice. too bad it's not a first strike!

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guitarwes · January 27, 2009 6:28AM

How 'bout that one that sold in 2003...

28K and change. Yowzers.

bushmaster8 · January 27, 2009 6:35AM

There are a relatively large number of super nice white 1950-P's around.

They often come with great strikes, marvelous luster, and devoid of major hits, so I am not totally surprised that it was a 50-P that finally got the nod.

I'll bet that technically, this coin blows the vast majority of MS67 Franklins out of the water, as there is nothing "hiding" under a thick layer of toning.

PCGS forgives (gradewise) a couple of tics on a Franklin with attractive mint set toning. But a brilliant white coin is a whole different story.

And I don't agree that the coin is probably dipped out. If you look at the pics in the slab, and disregard the Heritage "glamor shots", you can see what appears to be original skin. There is even a partial fingerprint on the reverse.

frnklnlvr · January 27, 2009 7:03AM

The first white 67 I've seen.

So are there any Franklin's graded MS68 out there?

AU58WALKERS · January 27, 2009 7:04AM

Very nice....I want one

lcoopie · January 27, 2009 7:08AM

I don't think an MS68 Franklin half exists
but I defer to bushmaster

I am also interested in others opinions
if it really looks like a 67
based upon the huge blown up heritage pic.

PawPaul · January 27, 2009 7:16AM

..........although close -it ain't "white"

and the fact that it exists means there will be more to come .........it took 20 + years to be ,

but now the door is open

my own opinion is it would not measure up in hand to a MS-67 coin

19Lyds · January 27, 2009 9:09AM

Knowing Heritage's propensity for washed out photo's, I doubt that the coin is really that white.

Walmann · January 27, 2009 9:51AM

No PCGS graded 68s listed in the population reports, but there is one MS69 its a 1957 (not FBL).

TomB · January 27, 2009 10:01AM

Wouldn't it be a kick in the bratworst if it was really a satin proof finish 1950 instead of a business strike?

foodude · January 27, 2009 10:04AM

The whitest MS67FBL I've seen or heard of. I saw a mostly white '48 (I believe) with some rainbow on it a few years ago at Long Beach.

PawPaul · January 27, 2009 10:07AM

<< No PCGS graded 68s listed in the population reports, but there is one MS69 its a 1957 (not FBL). >>

I can assure you in the strongest vein -no mint state Franklin has ever been graded by PCGS or NGC higher then MS-67

nicetoning42107 · January 27, 2009 10:27AM

I've seen that MS69 in the pop reports. I am leaning toward typo in the population report.

frnklnlvr · January 27, 2009 5:58PM

<< I've seen that MS69 in the pop reports. I am leaning toward typo in the population report. >>

It could be a mis-graded proof. I've seen some Franklin proofs graded MS66-67 before.

bushmaster8 · January 28, 2009 1:07AM

The 69 is absolutely a mislabeled proof.

There are no MS68 Franklins that we could talk about over a glass of kool-ade. I have seen a cpl in PCI slabs. Obviously they dont count!

PawPaul · January 30, 2009 12:32AM

..........so what part of "the strongest vein" is confusing ?

THERE ARE NO FREAKIN' PCGS OR NGC MINT STATE FRANKLINS GRADED HIGHER THEN MS67

Res · January 30, 2009 1:58AM

<< ..........so what part of "the strongest vein" is confusing ?

THERE ARE NO FREAKIN' PCGS OR NGC MINT STATE FRANKLINS GRADED HIGHER THEN MS67 >>

Who disagreed with you?

percyb · January 30, 2009 2:03AM

<< To my knowledge, up until this coin was graded, ALL other MS67 Franklins were toned. >>

Looks like it has some light toning just above the WE and on the collar and around LIBERTY....or is it just me?

SkyMan · January 30, 2009 2:22AM

To my knowledge also it is the only untoned 67. Pleasant enough looking, but I certainly wouldn't be spending $28,000 on it. Different strokes for different folks...

RBinTex · January 30, 2009 3:21AM

Sux to be the guy that bought one in '03 for over 28k

PawPaul · January 30, 2009 4:06AM

<< 

<< ..........so what part of "the strongest vein" is confusing ?

THERE ARE NO FREAKIN' PCGS OR NGC MINT STATE FRANKLINS GRADED HIGHER THEN MS67 >>

Who disagreed with you? >>

.........you know your right Res ! that's just in case anyone was even "thinking " of disagreeing

Bcsican · January 30, 2009 4:15AM

I wanted that coin but just out of bounds these days, a few years back that coin would be mine...it is one nice clean coin...so rare finding a Franklin that unmolested in one way or another...there are some nice Frankins in this up coming auction in Long Beach....

PawPaul · January 30, 2009 6:36AM

which upcomming auction in LongBeach ?

pcgs69 · January 30, 2009 10:25AM

what's up with all those spots in front of the face? Also, on the close-up images the face looks like a battle zone. Franklins aren't my series, but looks a little 'beat up' for a 67.

bushmaster8 · January 6, 2011 11:14PM

This coin was in last nights Platinum Auction where it sold for nearly $15K with the juice.

PawPaul · January 7, 2011 8:38AM

are you sure it's the same coin ?

I think they are two different coins

DoubleEagle59 · January 7, 2011 9:14AM

<< There are a relatively large number of super nice white 1950-P's around.

They often come with great strikes, marvelous luster, and devoid of major hits, so I am not totally surprised that it was a 50-P that finally got the nod.

I'll bet that technically, this coin blows the vast majority of MS67 Franklins out of the water, as there is nothing "hiding" under a thick layer of toning.

PCGS forgives (gradewise) a couple of tics on a Franklin with attractive mint set toning. But a brilliant white coin is a whole different story.

And I don't agree that the coin is probably dipped out. If you look at the pics in the slab, and disregard the Heritage "glamor shots", you can see what appears to be original skin. There is even a partial fingerprint on the reverse. >>

Generally speaking, I've found natural white coins have toned reeded edges.

While dipped white coins have white reeded edges.

relicsncoins · January 7, 2011 9:15AM

A white coin, especially a fairly modern one such as the Franklin series should be given the same consideration in grading at the 67 level as a toned coin. That's like saying a freshly minted white Franklin is a 66 and after aquiring pleasing toning it's now a 67. If grading is done correctly a coin should be as highly graded as it's ever going to be the day it leaves the mint.

JJ

wondercoin · January 7, 2011 10:15AM

I have found white pop top coins are often being ignored these days. A few months ago, I bought what I believe might be the only 1958-P Wash Quarter in blazing brilliant PCGS-MS67 for around $500 at auction as I recall. For all I know, I may have been chasing nothing more than the reserve, as I later ran into the consignor of the coin to that auction who mentioned to me had had been unsuccessful trying to market the coin at around $1,250 and consigned it to auction with a reserve.

This brilliant Franklin performed "lackluster" at best as the only brilliant MS67FBL ever graded by PCGS it seems to me.

Wondercoin

nankraut · January 7, 2011 10:23AM

<< Wouldn't it be a kick in the bratworst if it was really a satin proof finish 1950 instead of a business strike?

>>

I was just thinking the same thing.

PawPaul · January 7, 2011 12:16PM

......i still have reason to believe the two 50-P's in this post are different PCGS MS-67 coins ;

if there the same coin - then the original skin has been dipped off , along with most of the dark spots

bushmaster8 · January 7, 2011 12:20PM

That is just a Heritage glamour shot. Same coin.

PawPaul · January 7, 2011 12:30PM

.wanna bet ?

duck620 · January 7, 2011 12:36PM

BEAUTIFUL COIN.

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golfer72 · January 7, 2011 9:08PM

<< A white coin, especially a fairly modern one such as the Franklin series should be given the same consideration in grading at the 67 level as a toned coin. That's like saying a freshly minted white Franklin is a 66 and after aquiring pleasing toning it's now a 67. If grading is done correctly a coin should be as highly graded as it's ever going to be the day it leaves the mint.

JJ >>

Bingo! Very well said. The toning on a coin has nothing to do with the grade! The market can decide which coins they like better and pay more for them. What happens now is PCGS adds grade points by deciding ( for the market) what types of toning it deems desirable. They should only grade technically. Eye appeal is subjective. Everyone goes gaga over a toned 67 coin that if graded correctly would be a 65 or 66 and bring much less money. : 1Applause;

Frankiefanatic · January 7, 2011 11:31PM

Not the same coin

PawPaul · January 7, 2011 11:37PM

F.F.............

66WhiteFBL · January 8, 2011 9:51AM

<< To my knowledge, up until this coin was graded, ALL other MS67 Franklins were toned. >>

Check out Lot No. 1500 in the 2009 Heritage Feb. Long Beach Signature Auction,Cert No 13638100.There are at least 2,and possibly 3,PCGS MS67 blast white
MS67 1950-P Franklins graded to date.

bushmaster8 · January 8, 2011 10:22PM

So Paw was right... I stand corrected.

Hey 66whiteFBL, is you name Michael by any chance??

PawPaul · January 9, 2011 6:17AM

maybe I should convert to white Franklins ......and leave all this A.T , N.T , M.A , stuff behind

......life would be much simpler

66WhiteFBL · January 10, 2011 10:15AM

<< So Paw was right... I stand corrected.

Hey 66whiteFBL, is you name Michael by any chance?? >>

Only 7 posts, 4 of which were mistakes trying to figure out how to reply to a thread,and I've given myself away?

PawPaul · January 10, 2011 10:20AM

Bushmaster can count the # of serious PCGS MS 66 , white, FBL Franklin collectors on one hand ...........

ANACONDA · January 10, 2011 10:47AM

What, no 'tobacco' toning?

bushmaster8 · January 10, 2011 11:23PM

<< 

<< So Paw was right... I stand corrected.

Hey 66whiteFBL, is you name Michael by any chance?? >>

Only 7 posts, 4 of which were mistakes trying to figure out how to reply to a thread,and I've given myself away? >>

Well, your handle led me to immediately suspect it might be you. And as I said elsewhere, even from your brief posts I could tell you were a man of great wisdom.

So few people have chosen to tread the mystical path of enlightenment that we have.

BTW, please turn on your private messages. (Click on the mystical "profile" button at the top of the page.)

Nam Yoho Renge Kyo. Ommmmm....

ambro51 · January 10, 2011 11:27PM

I like it. To me, this is what MS67 should look like.

You silver guys got a real lucky break on toning. Copper toning is RB and BN and it kills value.

As you can see, a pure white silver coin in high grade is a very rare happening. If it were not SO easy to dip off toning.....and bring back a white coin (though luster may diminsh)....it seems obvious to me that a pure white and bright coin like this should command a premium price, and a designation.

MS67W (white).

PCGS grades first ever? white MS67 Franklin...

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