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Lawyer ad in Coin World
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Many of you have seen the ad in Coin World from two lawyers seeking clients for a class action lawsuit regarding the PCGS grading guarantee.
Just so you know.
The firm, Jackson & Stephenson, is also representing Greg Krill and Tangible Assets in a lawsuit regarding some coins we are holding that we think are part of the doctoring lawsuit. Tangible Investments is a company owned or somehow associated with Silvano DiGenova, I'm not usre of the exact relationship. Jackson & Stephenson are also listed as an associate firm (or something like that) in the major coin doctoring lawsuit. And Greg Krill and Silvano DiGenova are defendants in the coin doctoring lawsuit.
Mark Stephenson did undergraduate work at UCLA and got his law degree from South Western law school. Dorian Jackson did his undergraduate at UCLA and got his law degree from Loyola. They both were admitted to the California Bar in June, 2010.
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Where do I sign up for defendant testimony?
I said this a few days ago:
wonder if this is Silvano's and and his goon Carlson's mouthpiece attempting to get back money for the coins they doctored. I know. No offense to goons
They are pretty transparent aren't they? My advice is to keep doing what you are doing.
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I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.
<< <i>At least Southwestern is not any big deal law school, heck I was considering going there in 1979, probably one of the few in CA that would let me in, i had awful gpa in undergraduate and performed terribly on the LSAT. Add to the equation that they just graduated recently and that doesn't forbode well when it comes to experience which isn't very impressive either so the only thing that they have going for them is that they are/were involved in numismatics and well we all know that is subjective. Is that the best the defendants can muster up....geesh. >>
Don't forget that even a new fresh out of law school attorney has to win his first case sometime, not to mention that even the attorney that graduated lowest in his class and just barely passed the bar exam is still called an attorney. I wouldn't under estimate anyone.
Just a thought.
Tom
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Just a thought.
In the end, it will be about the law. I wish PCGS much success in their suit.
I knew it would happen.
Don't let up on the pressure. Coin collecting will benefit by fumigating bottom-feeders.
I agree. We all know that PCGS has nothing to hide.
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<< <i>Every possible category of mistake, misstep, mechanical error, typo, slight, customer service gaffe, and blunder that has ever occurred at PCGS has been reported, often ad nauseum and on multiple occasions, on this forum. Over the last nearly 8 years, I cannot remember a single collector complaining that PCGS did not treat him/her fairly on the grade guarantee. If anything, the few that have had issues have been ebullient in their praise for how they were treated.
I agree. We all know that PCGS has nothing to hide. >>
I will second that. Good job David, Ron, and the rest of the team at PCGS. Now go grade my coins. They've been there a day already!
I know you have a sense of humor and know I was joking on that last part.
Good luck on the suit.
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in court these days? Good luck the general population is behind you.
We do not need low lifes like them in our hobby.
Go PCGS!
<< <i>Many of you have seen the ad in Coin World from two lawyers seeking clients for a class action lawsuit regarding the PCGS grading guarantee.
Just so you know.
The firm, Jackson & Stephenson, is also representing Greg Krill and Tangible Assets in a lawsuit regarding some coins we are holding that we think are part of the doctoring lawsuit. Tangible Investments is a company owned or somehow associated with Silvano DiGenova, I'm not usre of the exact relationship. Jackson & Stephenson are also listed as an associate firm (or something like that) in the major coin doctoring lawsuit. And Greg Krill and Silvano DiGenova are defendants in the coin doctoring lawsuit.
Mark Stephenson did undergraduate work at UCLA and got his law degree from South Western law school. Dorian Jackson did his undergraduate at UCLA and got his law degree from Loyola. They both were admitted to the California Bar in June, 2010.
hrh >>
Curious indeed. Well, with such talened and experienced attorneys on staff...
Showed this to a friend of mine who is a corporate counsel, he started laughing.
We do not need low lifes like them in our hobby.
I think that when a person wants to bash a colleague by name, she should sign the message with her own name. What do you think, Dave?
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<< <i>Man am I sick of how criminals these days are so brazen that the things they do publically are as if these guys actually believe they have never done anything wrong, that they have done nothing to coins inorder to put one over on someone/something inorder to extract additional monies and harm the last one holding the coin.......... >>
While I despise coin doctoring, there is nothing I am aware of which indicates that the individuals in question are criminals.
Who reads Coin World ?
I say we set up a ring in Tampa and have some manly fights !
Stewart Blay
Or better yet HRH could bat a few balls and show his Home Run Power !
<< <i>David:
Don't let up on the pressure. Coin collecting will benefit by fumigating bottom-feeders. >>
I can imagine the ringside scene...
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<< <i>Who reads Coin World ?
I say we set up a ring in Tampa and have some manly fights !
Stewart Blay
Or better yet HRH could bat a few balls and show his Home Run Power ! >>
I thought I was the first to suggest that idea...
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Coinworld just had to have that ad. Forget abot the fact PCGS is probably one of their bigger advertisers. Lame!
<< <i>Andy, you seem to have no problem with letting the coin doctors win or get ahead. Why don't you try to do something about the problem instead of making baseless statements. >>
Dave, it appears that you have misunderstood (and mischaracterized) Andy's stance with respect to coin doctors.
And even if the comment of yours that he intimated came from Laura, didn't, it did sound like the way she talks.
I understand that PCGS will plow some profits from the business back into this lawsuit, and I think the least we can do is publically support their efforts to rid the numismatic world of a few bad apples.
Drunner
<< <i>The grade Guarantee worked for me!
Where do I sign up for defendant testimony? >>
I had to use it once (1968 PCGS PR69DCAM Kennedy was spotting) and it worked just well for me too.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
<< <i>I say we set up a ring in Tampa and have some manly fights !
I can imagine the ringside scene...
Don't know any coin enhancers named "Ringo".
A lawsuit is filed and for it to become a class action lawsuit [where specific named plaintiffs who have been wronged file suit on behalf of themselves and other persons who have also been wronged in the same manner] the court must be asked to certify the case as being one that is properly labeled a "class action". If the court certifies the case as a calss action, then anyone who falls within the "class" of effected parties [for example a consumer who got overcharged $100.00 by a car dealership on deductibles for warranty covered repairs] is bound by the outcome of the case, even if they are not a named party to the case.
Once a case is certified as a class action, it always proceeds down a path where a settlement is reached. The settlement results in the defendant paying money to settle claims [most of which is applied to pay the attorneys fees and costs incurred by the attorneys representing the plaintiffs in the lawsuit] and promising to not do the same thing in the future. The actual class members may receive a $10.00 coupon good for use the next time that they patronize the defendant's business.
Class action lawsuits are primarily vehicles through which small dollar amount/minor wrongdoing inflicted upon vast numbers of people are redressed. The redress is spanking the defendant, getting the defendant to stop doing the bad acts and generating large fees for the attorneys who file the class action lawsuits.
The advertising in Coin World by the baby lawyers [recently out of law school and recently admitted to the state bar] soliciting clients who have been victimized by PCGS to contact them about being part of a class action lawsuit makes me think of attorneys who are "ambulance chasers" and who hang out in hospital emergency rooms and at memorial/funeral services looking slumming for new clients
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<< <i>Making such an announcement on this forum is like preaching to the choir. Mainstream collectors who aren't CU members may or may not feel the same way. Class action suits are not usually brought unless the petitioners think they have at least some reasonable chance of winning. I think disparaging someone just because they are fresh out of law school is foolish. Every lawyer has to start somewhere and taking these two lawyers lightly or laughing them off might be a mistake. Just my opinion. >>
Were all of the above comments directed at David Hall, or just the initial remark? If so, I don't understand. I didn't read his post as being disparaging to the attorneys, taking them lightly or laughing them off.
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<< <i>Man am I sick of how criminals these days are so brazen that the things they do publically are as if these guys actually believe they have never done anything wrong, that they have done nothing to coins inorder to put one over on someone/something inorder to extract additional monies and harm the last one holding the coin.......... >>
While I despise coin doctoring, there is nothing I am aware of which indicates that the individuals in question are criminals. >>
Mark,
I did not specifically call anyone a criminal, I merely gave an opinion of how criminals imho act in this day and age. However one definition of a criminal is "constituting, implying, or involving a crime or an element of a crime". And in my opinion coin doctoring is a crime. >>
Alan, it's true, you didn't specifically call anyone a criminal. But if that wasn't the intended implication, what was the point of that reply, within the context of this thread?
CG
<< <i>There is no lower class human than someone who is trolling for "victims", so they can profit from the work of others. >>
Whose work, besides their own, could they/the attorneys profit from?
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Laura -
I do my part in the war against doctors every time I choose to buy or not buy a coin. I've also done a bit by educating anyone that will listen, at coin shows and here on the forum. (Fortunately for the doctors, few people listen.)
Now, on the other hand, I won't hesitate to enlist the help of a coin doctor when a problem coin needs some help. I've also sold perfectly fine but "improvable" coins to coin doctors. Bash me for that if you like, but if a coin is worth more in a doctor's hands, one way or another it is going to find its way to a doctor. And I'd rather capture the profit than give it away to an intermediary. (Perhaps I could claim "clean hands" if I just put the coins in auctions and let the doctors compete for them there? No need. I don't need to convince myself that I'm a saint.)
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Only PCGS can stop doctored coins from getting into their holders. I think that CoinSecure and The Sniffer are great moves in that direction. I think that the lawsuit is a waste, if not counterproductive. But that's just my opinion. Don't worry, though. My opinion doesn't matter.
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And, BTW, thank you for the check that arrived in today's mail!
Lance.
<< <i>PCGS is taking the lead and I'm proud of you guys! >>
I agree 100%!! THANK YOU PCGS!
<< <i>then anyone who falls within the "class" of effected parties [for example a consumer who got overcharged $100.00 by a car dealership on deductibles for warranty covered repairs] is bound by the outcome of the case, even if they are not a named party to the case. >>
Unless one opts out, which I've done on every one about which I've been notified. Not that I wanted to pursue my own remedy, but rather because I loathe the process and refuse to particpate in any form.
Russ, NCNE