It has been a over a month since the deal was made with member " ProofCents" on the PCGS b

fivecents · December 27, 2010 8:45PM

All the way back on Nov 7 board member "ProofCents" agreed to pay for a PCGS toned Lincoln cent I sent him. Now he won't send payment or return my PMs. I have done deals with him a few times before and he was slow to pay, but the deals went thru fine. I see him posting on the boards constantly, yet no answer to my PMs.
I have sent him several polite PMs reminding him to send payment.

ProofCents · December 27, 2010 11:05PM

As i said in my PM the check was mailed on the 23rd

Smittys · December 27, 2010 11:12PM

<< As i said in my PM the check was mailed on the 23rd >>

Nov or Dec and why so late in making payment?

ProofCents · December 27, 2010 11:17PM

As i told coinguy1:

I had forgotten about the deal. I had been traveling for work most of late november and early December. I paid him late. I'm not perfect i do make mistakes some times this was one of them. I will try not to have this happen again.

ebaybuyer · December 27, 2010 11:42PM

did you also "forget" that you had his coin ? ? no good excuse i can think of for accepting a coin and "forgetting" to pay for it.

fivecents · December 28, 2010 1:51AM

<< As i said in my PM the check was mailed on the 23rd >>

No you did not. Until today(after I started this thread)the last time you PMed me was on Dec 13 when you pmed me:

<< sorry i forgot about this i will get it out ASAP >>

I have gotten PMs from two other board members that had the same problem with you. One board member stated they will no longer do business with you. Both board members are well respected on the forums.
I posted this on the BST forum so it would not go crazy with a lot of posts. I am not going to keep bumping this thread.
All I wanted was to be paid the agreed ammount for the coin(you have in your possession) in a timely manner.

piecesofme · December 28, 2010 2:03AM

All I wanted was to be paid the agreed ammount for the coin(you have in your possession) in a timely manner.

That's kind of what this site was built on I thought. A community where you could have some sense of trust amongst one another. I gotta tell ya folks, this place is geting scarier and scarier to do any kind of business on. What is happening here?
Why aren't some following thru on their obliagtions of completeing a deal done here? Are times getting that tough, even here?
Just makes no sense to me being that this place was supposedly held to higher standards.

AnkurJ · December 28, 2010 2:19AM

Unless I have dealt with the person, I never send anything unless I have cleared payment. You can never be sure.

al410 · December 28, 2010 2:21AM

Nothing is perfect, but this is still a great place to do Buss, and for the most part many transactions occur with NO problems .No offense to the OP but if a person is a chronic late payer then thats what to expect from them when doing Buss.
AL

Tdec1000 · December 28, 2010 2:33AM

<< Nothing is perfect, but this is still a great place to do Buss, and for the most part many transactions occur with NO problems .No offense to the OP but if a person is a chronic late payer then thats what to expect from them when doing Buss.
AL >>

I don't agree with you on this one... and in the defense of proofcents his payment was mailed out on the 23rd and they don't ship on the 24,25 and sunday was 26.

Tom

al410 · December 28, 2010 2:35AM

I based my comment on this and another place the OP said he had done Buss with this member and payment was slow.
"No you did not. Until today(after I started this thread)the last time you PMed me was on Dec 13 when you pmed me:

<< sorry i forgot about this i will get it out ASAP >>

I have gotten PMs from two other board members that had the same problem with you. One board member stated they will no longer do business with you. Both board members are well respected on the forums.
I posted this on the BST forum so it would not go crazy with a lot of posts. I am not going to keep bumping this thread.
All I wanted was to be paid the agreed ammount for the coin(you have in your possession) in a timely manner. "
AL

fivecents · December 28, 2010 2:53AM

<< I don't agree with you on this one... and in the defense of proofcents his payment was mailed out on the 23rd and they don't ship on the 24,25 and sunday was 26 >>

Tdec1000.....ProofCents PMed me today claiming that the payment was mailed last Thrusday DEc 23. He NEVER PMED ME ON THE 23rd...that was an unturth on his part. The last time he PMed me was WAY BACK on December 13. I thought I made that clear in the thread. Sorry, but PMs don't lie.

Tdec1000 · December 28, 2010 3:30AM

Gotcha, didn't see that one.. My mistake guys.... I just woke up! It's 830 in Alaska.

loro1rojo · December 28, 2010 3:34AM

I recently just finished a transaction with proofcents which ended kinda in the same way. I sent him a coin for approval, and after 3 weeks of excuses and "forgetting" to send payment I finally got payment.

coinguy1 · December 28, 2010 3:53AM

<< 

<< Nothing is perfect, but this is still a great place to do Buss, and for the most part many transactions occur with NO problems .No offense to the OP but if a person is a chronic late payer then thats what to expect from them when doing Buss.
AL >>

I don't agree with you on this one... and in the defense of proofcents his payment was mailed out on the 23rd and they don't ship on the 24,25 and sunday was 26.

Tom >>

Forget about a few days during Christmas time . The OP stated << All the way back on Nov 7 board member "ProofCents" agreed to pay for a PCGS toned Lincoln cent I sent him>> If a check was in fact mailed on Dec. 23, that was still some 47 days later.

DennisH · December 28, 2010 4:06AM

This is good information to know. Thanks everyone for posting.

ajia · December 28, 2010 4:30AM

Maybe a good reason to have a return policy rather than a 'approval' period.
I'm not pointing fingers at anyone, heaven knows I have procrastinated a few times....and am finding it hard to keep up with all the requests for pictures & prices for coins I have F/S.

As is usually the case, I think the lack of communication (Now he won't send payment or return my PMs.) is a big part of this going public.
Though it may have made fivecents upset, a quick "Cr@p, I forgot.....give me a few more days as I am really busy..." may have kept this a little more private.

JMO

goingbroke · December 28, 2010 4:37AM

Ritalin works for me!

piecesofme · December 28, 2010 4:48AM

+1

SaorAlba · December 28, 2010 5:24AM

Does this really belong in the BST page?

chumley · December 28, 2010 5:43AM

this is information that is relative to anyone considering using the bst...so unfortunately yes....this post does belong here

DoubleEagle59 · December 28, 2010 5:53AM

The older I get, the less patience I have.

Plus, I don't like habitual 'late' payments.

Buyer 'blocked' for me on the BST, unless I hear further details to change my mind.

keepdachange · December 28, 2010 6:32AM

<< Does this really belong in the BST page? >>

Of course, where else would it be? I'm glad I saw it!

ProofCents · December 28, 2010 6:34AM

I have spent thousands upon thousands of dollars on the BST board and have done business with lots of people without any issues. I don’t force anyone to sell anything to me. If you don’t want to sell your coins to me fine that’s your call. I have never stiffed anyone and have dealt with many people on these boards. Do I occasionally forget to send payment on time? I have. But at the end of the day I have dealt with many of you without issue.

jdimmick · December 28, 2010 7:54AM

With out throwing rocks , these are the kind of threads we need to see. I for one will not want to do business with folks that handle business like this, whether it be not wanting to send the payment timely, non delivery of items purchased , etc. I keep tabs with who to do business with and who not too. Thanks for the thread!

Jim

piecesofme · December 28, 2010 8:07AM

With out throwing rocks , these are the kind of threads we need to see. I for one will not want to do business with folks that handle business like this, whether it be not wanting to send the payment timely, non delivery of items purchased , etc. I keep tabs with who to do business with and who not too. Thanks for the thread!

Does spreading word not to do business with someone across coin chat boards simply because they may have outspken views fall into this category...or does actually doing a flawless transaction with that outspoken person trump everything?

ebaybuyer · December 28, 2010 8:24AM

i prefer to be warned of this type of douchebaggery, although this would not truthfully apply to any future business deal that i would enter into because i wouldnt send anything without payment up front. that is why i am having a time selling some of my 90% because i just dont have the time to chase someone around for my money.

TWQG · December 28, 2010 8:34AM

Thank you fivecents for bringing this to our attention.
These types of threads need to be stickied at the top.

pakasmom · December 28, 2010 10:28AM

Thank you, fivecents.

SNMAN · December 28, 2010 10:35AM

<< Thank you, fivecents.

>>

SamByrd · December 28, 2010 11:20AM

<< 

<< Thank you, fivecents.

>>

>>

agreed this type of post is helpful

piecesofme · December 28, 2010 12:08PM

Let's be careful folks...i'm juat sayin'.

loro1rojo · December 28, 2010 12:27PM

Piecesofme.

I can vouch for proofcents stubbornness and unwillingness to not pay on time. I almost started a thread just like this one last week over a similar incident with proofcents.

PaleElf · December 28, 2010 12:32PM

ttt... just because i can

grote15 · December 28, 2010 12:36PM

I'm sorry to say I had a similar experience with the buyer in question until I finally had to find another buyer.

JupitarCoins · December 28, 2010 12:39PM

I totaly agree with you Paul.
Their is no excuse for that to happen the way it did!!

Metalsman · December 28, 2010 12:40PM

<< With out throwing rocks , these are the kind of threads we need to see. I for one will not want to do business with folks that handle business like this, whether it be not wanting to send the payment timely, non delivery of items purchased , etc. I keep tabs with who to do business with and who not too. Thanks for the thread!

Does spreading word not to do business with someone across coin chat boards simply because they may have outspken views fall into this category...or does actually doing a flawless transaction with that outspoken person trump everything? >>

I for one would make my own decision on how to handle those whom have acted in this manner or simply how they communicate on these boards. I have no problem in saying I have "CHOSSEN" whom I've had deals with based and general feedback or just reading these boards.. I've got to say.. So far so good. It does seem to ME in this case that there appears to be a pattern that I would have avoided. That said I believe the seller is right is putting forth the facts as he has. I know what I'd do.. Do You!

notwilight · December 28, 2010 1:40PM

<< Unless I have dealt with the person, I never send anything unless I have cleared payment. You can never be sure. >>

And if you're buying? You send payment to people you don't know? --Jerry

NotSure · December 28, 2010 7:10PM

Thank you, fivecents! EVERY transaction I've had on the BST has ALWAYS been nothing less than very good. It's a shame there are some that upset the applecart. Piecesofme is right on the money. And this does belong here. There has been, in the last year or so, more sour/bad/rotten deals than since I was lurking, way before I joined. Noone really ever had a problem, and if there was an issue, it was always worked out. Now, it's almost as if there is someone not paying, not following through on a deal, or something going on here. Let's try to keep this for what it was meant to be....a SAFE place to buy, sell, and trade. It benefits us all, and it shouldnt lead to this kind of nonsense.

SaorAlba · December 28, 2010 10:17PM

Let me opin that I had no problem whatsoever with the OP's post and what it was about. Frankly, if I were him I would be on the same soapbox proclaiming the perfidies of the situation. So therefore, I will humbly stand corrected about where the post began. At the moment I read it initially, I pondered that it belonged to the US Coins Forum.

I myself have had numerous dealings with other board members and always had stellar results from purchases, sales, and trades. If you slack off on a payment or a sale, perhaps one should not be using this board.

notwilight · December 28, 2010 10:20PM

Fivecents,
I have a couple of questions:
1. About how much money is involved here?
2. Did you, as proof cents implied, receive a PM that the check was in the mail before you started this thread?

--Jerry

ProofCents · December 28, 2010 10:41PM

FYI This thread is over $95. I sent him the PM after he started this thread.

keepdachange · December 28, 2010 11:10PM

<< I don't care how much money this is over if you screw a seller than get the F()cking off the boards. F()ck You >>

Are you one of those clowns from the cast of Jersey Shore

notwilight · December 28, 2010 11:19PM

My point is that some people have a life outside of the forums. Proofcents admitted that he forgot about the deal and apologized and sent payment. I wouldn't call out the lynchmob. However, the lynchmob is restless, fired up by the CK threads. I've noticed people much less interested in doing deals. Everyone wants the other party to deliver first.

I say it is pretty easy to forget a $95 deal, it is the Christmas season where we lose control of our life from Thanksgiving until mid January. If you add some traveling or family business in there, the Proofcents explanation seems perfectly logical to me. If I were the seller I'd be happy with the check and move on.

--Jerry

fivecents · December 28, 2010 11:19PM

<< 1. About how much money is involved here? >>

$95

<< 2. Did you, as proof cents implied, receive a PM that the check was in the mail before you started this thread? >>

NO HE DID NOT!!!
The last time he PMed me before I started this thread was December 13. Proofcents stating that he had PMed me before I started this thread was a bold face lie Jerry. As I said before PMs don't lie.

notwilight · December 28, 2010 11:19PM

<< I don't care how much money this is over if you screw a seller than get the F()cking off the boards. F()ck You >>

Kind of early in the morning to be drinking isn't it?

loro1rojo · December 28, 2010 11:46PM

This thread might be over $95, but the recent transaction which I had with Proofcents which went almost as OP describes his transaction to have gone... that transaction was over $1,000.

notwilight · December 29, 2010 12:38AM

PMs indicate proofcents has a history so slow payments. In that case I would just ask him to send payments first. Still, not a thief. --jerry

notwilight · December 29, 2010 1:16AM

<< Not a thief but a [edited out] idiot >>

I would say it has been nice knowing you but it hasn't, so please don't let the door hit your backside on the way out. --Jerry

DennisH · December 29, 2010 1:51AM

<< I don't care how much money this is over if you screw a seller than get the F()cking off the boards. F()ck You >>

You sir, need to either clean up your posts or take you attitude and vocabulary elsewhere.

This is not an open forum.
This is not a "say whatever you like from behind the safety of a keyboard" environment.

There are serious rules for posters locked at the top of the U.S. Coin Forum page. I strongly suggest that you to read them and follow them.

BWRC · December 29, 2010 1:53AM

It's unfortunate that this incident happened to Fivecents in his dealings with ProofCents.

On a positive note, I would like to say that I have had many dealings with ProofCents, allthough I would have liked for some of them to happen in a more timely manner he has always come through for me.
I have sold him coins with values in the high 4 digit range a was paid as agreed. I would have no problem in sending him coins on approval again.

I also would respect anyone who might have a different opinion than me after reading this post.

Happy New Year to all!

It has been a over a month since the deal was made with member &quot; ProofCents&quot; on the PCGS b

Comments

It has been a over a month since the deal was made with member " ProofCents" on the PCGS b