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UPDATED RESULTS: First ever after-market sale of all 2007, 2008 and 2009 ameros on ebay - some issue
oreville
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Interesting results of all previously issued 2007, 2008 and 2009 Daniel Carr's ameros. I was not the seller.
2007 complete set (original cost $3716) sold for $8957 in various lots = 147% price appreciation over 3 years.
2008 complete set (original cost $5058) sold for $7428 in various lots = 47% price appreciation over 2 years.
2009 complete set (original cost $5033) sold for $7421 in various lots = 47% price appreciation in 1 year.
Comment: The 2008 ameros fared the worst of the three years because it had the largest quantities issued of the three years.
This was the first true auction anywhere in the aftermarket of a complete collection of all years of ameros that I recall.
Comments are requested.
2007 complete set (original cost $3716) sold for $8957 in various lots = 147% price appreciation over 3 years.
2008 complete set (original cost $5058) sold for $7428 in various lots = 47% price appreciation over 2 years.
2009 complete set (original cost $5033) sold for $7421 in various lots = 47% price appreciation in 1 year.
Comment: The 2008 ameros fared the worst of the three years because it had the largest quantities issued of the three years.
This was the first true auction anywhere in the aftermarket of a complete collection of all years of ameros that I recall.
Comments are requested.
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Most of Carr's items go into that bucket as I don't see the artistry that some claim, nor do I agree with the way he does these things.
So, I will remain a little poorer, but am ok with that.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
You stated:
<< <i>So, I will remain a little poorer, but am ok with that. >>
That does not have to be so. Silver, even junk silver, appreciated by about 70% in the past year.
Even your son's special birthday party slab has probably appreciated by over 50% in the last year alone!
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<< <i>Do you have any links?
I'm not familiar with the Amero denoms, etc., but here's the latest completed Amero auctions.
<< <i>Bochiman:
You stated:
<< <i>So, I will remain a little poorer, but am ok with that. >>
That does not have to be so. Silver, even junk silver, appreciated by about 70% in the past year.
Even your son's special birthday party slab has probably appreciated by over 50% in the last year alone!
Heh! I think his slab stayed the same
You are right about the silver, and I have made some college cash for him by selling some of the SAE rolls I had purchased. I hit the stage, when I had him, where I will do things for fun, but I will try to make it all better for him, therefore, I will remain, personally, a little poorer (at least until he gets through college
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
Here you go:
Link to completed ebay auctions of 2007, 2008 and 2009 ameros on 12/19/2010
By the way, the items with the biggest percentage appreciation were generally the most inexpensive ones originally sold by Daniel Carr.
NGC registry V-Nickel proof #6!!!!
working on proof shield nickels # 8 with a bullet!!!!
RIP "BEAR"
Example is the 2007 year 100 Amero Pocahontas were issued at a cost of $55 in 2007 and sold for $386 and $400 today. That is an astounding increase!
Yet, they did not enjoy the largest percentage increase.
I believe NONE of the issues sold for less than their issue price but did not check that carefully.
Another interesting thing in my opinion is that there were so many lots crammed into a closing time that was less than 40 minutes apart which caused many lots to sell for less than would otherwise be expected.
If the auctions were spread out more, and conducted at a different time of year, the results likely would have been higher.
But not a single coin sold for less than issue price. Some had impressive gains. Overall, not too shabby
This one (not an amero, but from the same collection) also did well (original issue price was about $20):
2005 Fort Collins Coin Club medal, proof-like silver, Die 2
The first section is the results of the 2007 ameros sold. The first dollar amount is the original issue price in 2007 and the second figure is the auction price on December 19, 2010. The third figure is the percentage price increase. NOTE: This year fared the BEST of the three years that ameros were sold (2007-2008-2009)
2007 Union of North America (UNA) Amero Patterns
(Winged Liberty Head obverse design.)
UNA0001_2007CS 25mm, Pure Copper Satin QTY 0260 $09.00 / $77.00 +756%
UNA0001_2007CP 25mm, Pure Copper Proof QTY 0378 $10.00 / $46.01 +360%
UNA0002_2007CS 27mm, Pure Copper Satin QTY 0100 $11.00 / $56.00 +409%
UNA0002_2007CP 27mm, Pure Copper Proof QTY 0202 $11.00 / $59.00 +436%
UNA0005_2007CS 30mm, Pure Copper Satin QTY 0100 $12.00 / $96.01 +700%
UNA0005_2007CP 30mm, Pure Copper Proof QTY 0202 $12.00 / $56.00 +367%
UNA0010_2007CS 34mm, Pure Copper Satin QTY 0100 $13.00 / $97.01 +646%
UNA0010_2007CP 34mm, Pure Copper Proof QTY 0210 $13.00 / $56.00 +331%
UNA0020_2007CS 38mm, Pure Copper Satin QTY 0375 $14.00 / $100.99 +621%
UNA0020_2007CP 38mm, Pure Copper Proof QTY 0425 $15.00 / $103.50 +590%
UNA0025_2007SS 25mm, .25 Oz Silver Satin QTY 0120 $17.00 / $132.49 +679%
UNA0025_2007SP 25mm, .25 Oz Silver Proof QTY 0325 $17.00 / $112.51 +562%
UNA0050_2007SS 30mm, .50 Oz Silver Satin QTY 0120 $28.00 / $89.00 +218% ------. note that silver went from average price of
UNA0050_2007SP 30mm, .50 Oz Silver Proof QTY 0235 $28.00 / $92.00 +229% ------$xx per oz in 2007 to currently $29.30
UNA0100_2007SS 38mm, 1.0 Oz Silver Satin QTY 0170 $55.00 / $177.00 +222% ------- an increase of xx%
UNA0100_2007SP 38mm, 1.0 Oz Silver Proof QTY 0360 $55.00 / $157.00 +185%
UNA0100_2007SS 39mm, 1OzPocahontas SaQTY 0070 $55.00 / $389.88 + 609%
UNA0100_2007SP 39mm, 1OzPocahontas Pr QTY 0090 $55.00 / $400.00 + 627%
UNA0500_2007GS 27mm, .50 Oz -Gold Satin QTY 0017 $550... / $1125 + 105%
UNA0500_2007GP 27mm, .50 Oz -Gold Proof QTY 0018 $575... / $1195 + 108% --------note that gold went from average price of
UNA1000_2007GS 34mm, 1.0 Oz -Gold Satin QTY 0012 $1075. / $2225 + 107% --------$xx per oz in 2007 to currently $1387
UNA1000_2007GP 34mm, 1.0 Oz -Gold Proof QTY 0016 $1100. / $2250 + 105% -------- an increase of xx%
Also note that this is a 3 year time frame so the return per year is approximately 1/3 of the numbers shown.
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These are the results of the 2008 ameros sold. The first dollar amount is the original issue price in 2008 and the second figure is the auction price a few days ago. The third figure is the percentage price increase. NOTE: This year fared the WORST of the three years that ameros were sold (2007-2008-2009)
2008 Union of North America (UNA) Amero Patterns
(Winged Liberty Head obverse design.)
UNA0001_2008CS 25mm, Pure Copper Satin QTY 0200 $09 / $37.01 +311%
UNA0001_2008CP 25mm, Pure Copper Proof QTY 0650 $10 / $38.58 +286%
UNA0005_2008CS 30mm, Pure Copper Satin QTY 0255 $16 / $37.00 +131%
UNA0005_2008CP 30mm, Pure Copper Proof QTY 1325 $17 / $37.01 +118%
UNA0020_2008CS 39mm, Pure Copper Satin QTY 0645 $18 / $33.00 + 83%
UNA0020_2008CP 39mm, Pure Copper Proof QTY 1585 $18 / $62.00 + 244%
UNA0025_2008SS 25mm, .25 Oz Silver Satin QTY 0200 $19 / $63.00 +232%
UNA0025_2008SP 25mm, .25 Oz Silver Proof QTY 0500 $19 / $57.58 +203%
UNA0050_2008SS 30mm, .50 Oz Silver Satin QTY 0200 $35 / $73.00 +109% ------. note that silver went from average price of
UNA0050_2008SP 30mm, .50 Oz Silver Proof QTY 1115 $37 / $56.00 + 51% ------$15 per oz in 2008 to currently $29.30
UNA0100_2008SS 39mm, 1.0 Oz Silver Satin QTY 0225 $65 / $94.00 + 45% ------- an increase of 95%
UNA0100_2008SP 39mm, 1.0 Oz Silver Proof QTY 0470 $65 / $100.99 + 55%
UNA0100_2008GM16mm, .10 Oz -Gold Matte QTY 0119 $150 / $227.50 + 52%
UNA0100_2008GP 16mm, .10 Oz -Gold Proof QTY 0196 $150 / $172.50 + 15%
UNA0500_2008GS 27mm, .50 Oz -Gold Satin QTY 0019 $725 / $1125 + 55%
UNA0500_2008GP 27mm, .50 Oz -Gold Proof QTY 0030 $750 / $865.00 + 15% --------note that gold went from average price of
UNA1000_2008GS 34mm, 1.0 Oz -Gold Satin QTY 0023 $1,400 / $2225 + 59% --------$900 per oz in 2008 to currently $1387
UNA1000_2008GP 34mm, 1.0 Oz -Gold Proof QTY 0033 $1,425 / $2010 + 41% -------an increase of 54%
Also note that this is a 2 year time frame so the return per year is approximately half of the numbers shown.
I will soon add the 2009 year results.
The Ft Collins medal prices are astounding, though. $117 for brass proof-likes! I was wondering what that medal might be worth nowadays. Mine cost $10 back in 2006.
Now just checking some more, and here's the first Ebay result I've ever seen for one of Daniel's Denver Mint medals, bought recently for $2 over 2006 list price! Bronze Denver Mint Medal by Carr, sold on Ebay
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on the one ounce gold proof 2008 amero
it depends when you bought it on the pricing i only paid like 2200 or 2300 for both
proofs so your numbers are from the high of the year i guess
but good info
Happy Holidays
HOPE THINGS ARE GOOD MORE TO COME
<< <i>Example is the 2007 year 100 Amero Pocahontas were issued at a cost of $55 in 2007 and sold for $386 and $400 today. That is an astounding increase! >>
Makes me imagine trading up from my Pocahontas to a coupla tenth ounce gold strikes.
These are the results of the 2007 ameros sold. The first dollar amount is the original issue price in 2007 and the second figure is the auction price on December 19, 2010. The third figure is the percentage price increase. NOTE: This year fared the BEST of the three years that ameros were sold (2007-2008-2009)
2007 Union of North America (UNA) Amero Patterns
(Winged Liberty Head obverse design.)
UNA0001_2007CS 25mm, Pure Copper Satin QTY 0260 $09.00 / $77.00 +756%
UNA0001_2007CP 25mm, Pure Copper Proof QTY 0378 $10.00 / $46.01 +360%
UNA0002_2007CS 27mm, Pure Copper Satin QTY 0100 $11.00 / $56.00 +409%
UNA0002_2007CP 27mm, Pure Copper Proof QTY 0202 $11.00 / $59.00 +436%
UNA0005_2007CS 30mm, Pure Copper Satin QTY 0100 $12.00 / $96.01 +700%
UNA0005_2007CP 30mm, Pure Copper Proof QTY 0202 $12.00 / $56.00 +367%
UNA0010_2007CS 34mm, Pure Copper Satin QTY 0100 $13.00 / $97.01 +646%
UNA0010_2007CP 34mm, Pure Copper Proof QTY 0210 $13.00 / $56.00 +331%
UNA0020_2007CS 38mm, Pure Copper Satin QTY 0375 $14.00 / $100.99 +621%
UNA0020_2007CP 38mm, Pure Copper Proof QTY 0425 $15.00 / $103.50 +590%
UNA0025_2007SS 25mm, .25 Oz Silver Satin QTY 0120 $17.00 / $132.49 +679%-----
UNA0025_2007SP 25mm, .25 Oz Silver Proof QTY 0325 $17.00 / $112.51 +562%-----
UNA0050_2007SS 30mm, .50 Oz Silver Satin QTY 0120 $28.00 / $89.00 +218% ------. note that silver went from average price of
UNA0050_2007SP 30mm, .50 Oz Silver Proof QTY 0235 $28.00 / $92.00 +229% ------$13.50 per oz in 2007 to currently $29.30
UNA0100_2007SS 38mm, 1.0 Oz Silver Satin QTY 0170 $55.00 / $177.00 +222% ------- an increase of 117%
UNA0100_2007SP 38mm, 1.0 Oz Silver Proof QTY 0360 $55.00 / $157.00 +185%-------
UNA0100_2007SS 39mm, 1OzPocahontas SaQTY 0070 $55.00 / $389.88 + 609%-------
UNA0100_2007SP 39mm, 1OzPocahontas Pr QTY 0090 $55.00 / $400.00 + 627%-------
UNA0500_2007GS 27mm, .50 Oz -Gold Satin QTY 0017 $550... / $1125 + 105%////////
UNA0500_2007GP 27mm, .50 Oz -Gold Proof QTY 0018 $575... / $1195 + 108%////////note that gold went from average price of
UNA1000_2007GS 34mm, 1.0 Oz -Gold Satin QTY 0012 $1075. / $2225 + 107%///////$750 per oz in 2007 to currently $1387
UNA1000_2007GP 34mm, 1.0 Oz -Gold Proof QTY 0016 $1100. / $2250 + 105%////////an increase of 85%
Also note that this is a 3 year time frame so the return per year is a little less than 1/3 of the percentage increase figures shown.
You stated:
<< <i>Oreville on the one ounce gold proof 2008 amero it depends when you bought it on the pricing I only paid like 2200 or 2300 for both proofs so your numbers are from the high of the year i guess but good info >>
Indeed, 2008 was a wild year for commodity prices including gold. I used the final high prices that Daniel Carr had when he sold out of the various proofs and and satins as those are the figures still shown on his archived list. So this understates the percentage increase from 2008 to 2010 for some of the earlier gold ameros purchases as you correctly stated.
Also hope you are enjoying your Christmas!
2 copper pieces went up over 700% each and 2 more copper pieces went up over 600% each.
Gold and silver went up 85% and 117% respectively in the same time frame.
Not sure that your message is completely on target.
<< <i>Wow! Makes me wonder if I under-sold my non-Amero, extra Denver Mint medals. But it's all good -- I know they went to good homes to members here on the boards!
The Ft Collins medal prices are astounding, though. $117 for brass proof-likes! I was wondering what that medal might be worth nowadays. Mine cost $10 back in 2006.
Now just checking some more, and here's the first Ebay result I've ever seen for one of Daniel's Denver Mint medals, bought recently for $2 over 2006 list price! Bronze Denver Mint Medal by Carr, sold on Ebay >>
John,
You missed these auctions:
Brass Proof $51.99
Silver Satin $231.50
Silver Proof $231.50
Brass Satin $131.50
I was the under-bidder in the auction you found but I already had both silver and brass varieties as well as three TAMS varieties. I only placed a low snipe in case no one noticed the listing. Apparently only two of us found it and so it went for a low price.
Terry
Ah, I see. Weren't there any of the 2010's in the auction?
I knew it would happen.
Didn't mean to jump your thread just figured it might help you do some Great number
hope things are good happy new year
<< <i>I didn't see any of the Stonehenge pieces sell. Were they in the auction?
Ah, I see. Weren't there any of the 2010's in the auction? >>
The auction included some early 2010 Ameros, but no Stonehenge tokens.
I mistakenly titled the four 2010 Amero auctions as "2009", but appended
a correction in the description. The four 2010 Ameros were the last auctions
to end in the group.
can only reply to thread if i log in as i reply so i'm think this new computter is a putter can't get my email till i go to servers site windows 7
but will contact my server on this shortly
anyway happy holidays best to all good info as always
oreville