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Does this eBayer not know how to do math or does he think I'm a sucker?
Bayard1908
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Edited - I don't want to hear from preachers, lol
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-Paul
I wonder if it was the same coin?
anyway it is true that high volume dealers get big discounts...
<< <i>The seller is lying.
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ill second that
eBay fees alone would be $42.27 in that case.
Interesting perspective.
<< <i>So you have no problem screwing eBay out of their fees and violating your agreement with them, but think you're being played for a sucker when the seller tries to make more money off you?
Interesting perspective. >>
I have no agreement with eBay that I will only buy through eBay, and I don't like people lying to me.
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I have no agreement with eBay that I will only buy through eBay, and I don't like people lying to me. >>
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<< <i>So you have no problem screwing eBay out of their fees and violating your agreement with them, but think you're being played for a sucker when the seller tries to make more money off you?
Interesting perspective. >>
I have no agreement with eBay that I will only buy through eBay, and I don't like people lying to me. >>
I'm sure eBay doesn't like people cutting them out of transactions either.
Furthermore, I believe you are incorrect as to your understanding of your agreement with eBay, specifically:
"While using eBay sites, services and tools, you will not:
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circumvent or manipulate our fee structure, the billing process, or fees owed to eBay"
Source: http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/user-agreement.html
So why is it OK for you to lie to eBay but not OK if this seller lies to you?
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<< <i>So you have no problem screwing eBay out of their fees and violating your agreement with them, but think you're being played for a sucker when the seller tries to make more money off you?
Interesting perspective. >>
I have no agreement with eBay that I will only buy through eBay, and I don't like people lying to me. >>
Not taking sides , but being a member ebay you agree to follow their rules, which state no making deals outside of ebay on lots listed
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<< <i>So you have no problem screwing eBay out of their fees and violating your agreement with them, but think you're being played for a sucker when the seller tries to make more money off you?
Interesting perspective. >>
I have no agreement with eBay that I will only buy through eBay, and I don't like people lying to me. >>
Not taking sides , but being a member ebay you agree to follow their rules, which state no making deals outside of ebay on lots listed >>
Ditto
Im a seller and a buyer and i'm pretty sure we are supposed to report messages (as sellers) pertaining to dealing outwith Ebay.
WTF is the difference? The coin is $800. If you want it, buy it. If not, pass and move on.
<< <i><< So you have no problem screwing eBay out of their fees and violating your agreement with them, but think you're being played for a sucker when the seller tries to make more money off you?
Interesting perspective. >>
I have no agreement with eBay that I will only buy through eBay, and I don't like people lying to me. >>
Not taking sides , but being a member ebay you agree to follow their rules, which state no making deals outside of ebay on lots listed >>
Ditto
Im a seller and a buyer and i'm pretty sure we are supposed to report messages (as sellers) pertaining to dealing outwith Ebay. >>
Agreed. Both the seller and potential buyer aren't playing by the rules...
<< <i>I do not see what the difference is why the seller insists that the price is $800. Perhaps he thought he should share in the upside of working outside ebay, since he was taking on additional risk for doing so. Perhaps he is assuming that you are still using a credit card. Perhaps he cannot do math. Perhaps he is lying. Perhaps he is getting a better rate for high volume. Perhaps, perhaps, perhaps...
WTF is the difference? The coin is $800. If you want it, buy it. If not, pass and move on. >>
The difference is that I don't normally do business with people who lie to me or insult my intelligence.
<< <i>Perhaps he cannot do math. >>
reckon there's the likliest
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<< <i>I do not see what the difference is why the seller insists that the price is $800. Perhaps he thought he should share in the upside of working outside ebay, since he was taking on additional risk for doing so. Perhaps he is assuming that you are still using a credit card. Perhaps he cannot do math. Perhaps he is lying. Perhaps he is getting a better rate for high volume. Perhaps, perhaps, perhaps...
WTF is the difference? The coin is $800. If you want it, buy it. If not, pass and move on. >>
The difference is that I don't normally do business with people who lie to me or insult my intelligence. >>
Gee, what a horrible experience! I hope you can shake it off and move on to greener pastures.
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<< <i>I do not see what the difference is why the seller insists that the price is $800. Perhaps he thought he should share in the upside of working outside ebay, since he was taking on additional risk for doing so. Perhaps he is assuming that you are still using a credit card. Perhaps he cannot do math. Perhaps he is lying. Perhaps he is getting a better rate for high volume. Perhaps, perhaps, perhaps...
WTF is the difference? The coin is $800. If you want it, buy it. If not, pass and move on. >>
The difference is that I don't normally do business with people who lie to me or insult my intelligence. >>
Gee, what a horrible experience! I hope you can shake it off and move on to greener pastures. >>
I realize that we aren't the best of friends; however, I try to treat people in a civil fashion both here and in real life.
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reckon there's the likliest >>
If he had said that, I'd pass or play, no offense taken.
<< <i>well there are only 2 sellers with coins in ebay right now that have BIN of 830, and also accept offers. One is a respected dealer (IMHO), and the other is someone "talked about" a lot on this board >>
and yes, work is slow today
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<< <i>Completely against eBay policy and if there was a way to report you for doing what you're suggesting, I certainly would. To message a seller and do a deal off eBay is a clear violation of their policy. I'm surprised we're even having this conversation to be quite frank.
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So just to pose a hypo, as this is a dealers coin and it goes to reason that this coin is listed in his inventory or in his showcase, right. So now if he sells it to a walk in customer and then kills the auction has he not screwed ebay out of fees? How is that really any different? I think you should get on your moral high horse and report every dealer on ebay.
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<< <i>Completely against eBay policy and if there was a way to report you for doing what you're suggesting, I certainly would. To message a seller and do a deal off eBay is a clear violation of their policy. I'm surprised we're even having this conversation to be quite frank.
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So just to pose a hypo, as this is a dealers coin and it goes to reason that this coin is listed in his inventory or in his showcase, right. So now if he sells it to a walk in customer and then kills the auction has he not screwed ebay out of fees? How is that really any different? I think you should get on your moral high horse and report every dealer on ebay. >>
The dealer would be using eBay as free advertising if he ended the auction to another eBayer who happened to see the ad. Having someone walk into the dealer's store and buy the coin is completely different.
<< <i>well there are only 2 sellers with coins in ebay right now that have BIN of 830, and also accept offers. One is a respected dealer (IMHO), and the other is someone "talked about" a lot on this board >>
You're a good eBay searcher. I can confirm the seller in question was not David Lawrence, and I agree that David Lawrence is well respected and rightly so.
<< <i>Completely against eBay policy and if there was a way to report you for doing what you're suggesting, I certainly would. To message a seller and do a deal off eBay is a clear violation of their policy. I'm surprised we're even having this conversation to be quite frank. >>
Do you own stock in eBay or work for them? I'm only asking because you are really getting hysterical over this issue.
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<< <i>Completely against eBay policy and if there was a way to report you for doing what you're suggesting, I certainly would. To message a seller and do a deal off eBay is a clear violation of their policy. I'm surprised we're even having this conversation to be quite frank. >>
Do you own stock in eBay or work for them? I'm only asking because you are really getting hysterical over this issue. >>
This board has been going downhill for a while now. People go off on self righteous tangents, and it gets tiresome.
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<< <i>Completely against eBay policy and if there was a way to report you for doing what you're suggesting, I certainly would. To message a seller and do a deal off eBay is a clear violation of their policy. I'm surprised we're even having this conversation to be quite frank. >>
Do you own stock in eBay or work for them? I'm only asking because you are really getting hysterical over this issue. >>
No, I just don't like to see people taking advantage of things for their own gain and then complaining about how it didn't work to their "liking" right after. Trying to get their cake and eat it to.
<< <i>This is worthless without a link!
I don't want to give the seller any free advertising or promotion, lol.
<< <i>This is worthless without a link!
maybe one of this seller's coins...
ebay link
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<< <i>This is worthless without a link!
maybe one of this seller's coins...
ebay link >>
That coins looks like a body bag waiting to happen.
Russ, NCNE
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<< <i>This is worthless without a link!
maybe one of this seller's coins...
ebay link >>
That coins looks like a body bag waiting to happen.
Russ, NCNE >>
That 97-S should also come with a pine box, a shovel, and a small plot of land!
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<< <i>Completely against eBay policy and if there was a way to report you for doing what you're suggesting, I certainly would. To message a seller and do a deal off eBay is a clear violation of their policy. I'm surprised we're even having this conversation to be quite frank. >>
Do you own stock in eBay or work for them? I'm only asking because you are really getting hysterical over this issue. >>
This board has been going downhill for a while now. People go off on self righteous tangents, and it gets tiresome. >>
Well, I have to agree with you there:
"The difference is that I don't normally do business with people who lie to me or insult my intelligence."
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<< <i>Completely against eBay policy and if there was a way to report you for doing what you're suggesting, I certainly would. To message a seller and do a deal off eBay is a clear violation of their policy. I'm surprised we're even having this conversation to be quite frank. >>
Do you own stock in eBay or work for them? I'm only asking because you are really getting hysterical over this issue. >>
This board has been going downhill for a while now. People go off on self righteous tangents, and it gets tiresome. >>
So, now that you know that you were going to act in violation of Ebay policy, are you still OK doing that (while having a problem when you are lied to)?
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<< <i>Completely against eBay policy and if there was a way to report you for doing what you're suggesting, I certainly would. To message a seller and do a deal off eBay is a clear violation of their policy. I'm surprised we're even having this conversation to be quite frank. >>
Do you own stock in eBay or work for them? I'm only asking because you are really getting hysterical over this issue. >>
This board has been going downhill for a while now. People go off on self righteous tangents, and it gets tiresome. >>
So, now that you know that you were going to act in violation of Ebay policy, are you still OK doing that (while having a problem when you are lied to)?
I certainly agree the seller would be violating eBay policy; however, it's unclear to me that the buyer would be violating eBay policy. You can't breech a contract where no contract exists.
While using eBay sites, services and tools, you will not: circumvent or manipulate our fee structure, the billing process, or fees owed to eBay;
I guess if you do not have an eBay account then the above does not apply...if you do have an account then I think it does apply.
and if I never planned to buy the coin on eBay, then I am not breaking their rules since they were never going to get fees from me anyway
and as soon as I close my browser, I am no longer using ebay, and then just using the data stored in my head. I doubt they own that
<< <i>I certainly agree the seller would be violating eBay policy; however, it's unclear to me that the buyer would be violating eBay policy. You can't breech a contract where no contract exists.
While using eBay sites, services and tools, you will not: circumvent or manipulate our fee structure, the billing process, or fees owed to eBay;
I guess if you do not have an eBay account then the above does not apply...if you do have an account then I think it does apply. >>
When making a phone call to a dealer, one is not using "eBay sites, services [or] tools."
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<< <i>Completely against eBay policy and if there was a way to report you for doing what you're suggesting, I certainly would. To message a seller and do a deal off eBay is a clear violation of their policy. I'm surprised we're even having this conversation to be quite frank. >>
Do you own stock in eBay or work for them? I'm only asking because you are really getting hysterical over this issue. >>
This board has been going downhill for a while now. People go off on self righteous tangents, and it gets tiresome. >>
So, now that you know that you were going to act in violation of Ebay policy, are you still OK doing that (while having a problem when you are lied to)?
I certainly agree the seller would be violating eBay policy; however, it's unclear to me that the buyer would be violating eBay policy. You can't breech a contract where no contract exists. >>
I believe that you, as the buyer, would be engaging in a transaction with the seller, which would violate this part of the user agreement, that you agreed to: "While using eBay sites, services and tools, you will not: circumvent or manipulate our fee structure, the billing process, or fees owed to eBay" .
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<< <i>Completely against eBay policy and if there was a way to report you for doing what you're suggesting, I certainly would. To message a seller and do a deal off eBay is a clear violation of their policy. I'm surprised we're even having this conversation to be quite frank. >>
Do you own stock in eBay or work for them? I'm only asking because you are really getting hysterical over this issue. >>
This board has been going downhill for a while now. People go off on self righteous tangents, and it gets tiresome. >>
So, now that you know that you were going to act in violation of Ebay policy, are you still OK doing that (while having a problem when you are lied to)?
I certainly agree the seller would be violating eBay policy; however, it's unclear to me that the buyer would be violating eBay policy. You can't breech a contract where no contract exists. >>
I believe that you, as the buyer, would be engaging in a transaction with the seller, which would violate this part of the user agreement, that you agreed to: "While using eBay sites, services and tools, you will not: circumvent or manipulate our fee structure, the billing process, or fees owed to eBay" . >>
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<< <i>I do not see what the difference is why the seller insists that the price is $800. Perhaps he thought he should share in the upside of working outside ebay, since he was taking on additional risk for doing so. Perhaps he is assuming that you are still using a credit card. Perhaps he cannot do math. Perhaps he is lying. Perhaps he is getting a better rate for high volume. Perhaps, perhaps, perhaps...
WTF is the difference? The coin is $800. If you want it, buy it. If not, pass and move on. >>
The difference is that I don't normally do business with people who lie to me or insult my intelligence. >>
Gee, what a horrible experience! I hope you can shake it off and move on to greener pastures. >>
I realize that we aren't the best of friends; however, I try to treat people in a civil fashion both here and in real life. >>
And clearly you were thinking of that last clause when you penned the title to this thread.
Listen, I'm sorry that I pointed out the hypocrisy in your position both with the issues surrounding this transaction and your subsequent post quoted above. Perhaps I should have been a bit more civil in my responses, as I do not respond to hypocritical actions well, but that doesn't change the facts of this thread nor your actions.
Judge not lest ye be judged.
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<< <i>I do not see what the difference is why the seller insists that the price is $800. Perhaps he thought he should share in the upside of working outside ebay, since he was taking on additional risk for doing so. Perhaps he is assuming that you are still using a credit card. Perhaps he cannot do math. Perhaps he is lying. Perhaps he is getting a better rate for high volume. Perhaps, perhaps, perhaps...
WTF is the difference? The coin is $800. If you want it, buy it. If not, pass and move on. >>
The difference is that I don't normally do business with people who lie to me or insult my intelligence. >>
Gee, what a horrible experience! I hope you can shake it off and move on to greener pastures. >>
I realize that we aren't the best of friends; however, I try to treat people in a civil fashion both here and in real life. >>
And clearly you were thinking of that last clause when you penned the title to this thread.
Listen, I'm sorry that I pointed out the hypocrisy in your position both with the issues surrounding this transaction and your subsequent post quoted above. Perhaps I should have been a bit more civil in my responses, as I do not respond to hypocritical actions well, but that doesn't change the facts of this thread nor your actions.
Judge not lest ye be judged. >>
We just happen to disagree on a potential buyer's obligations to eBay. We can disagree without being disagreeable. It was RYK who I thought was rude, not you.
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<< <i>I certainly agree the seller would be violating eBay policy; however, it's unclear to me that the buyer would be violating eBay policy. You can't breech a contract where no contract exists.
While using eBay sites, services and tools, you will not: circumvent or manipulate our fee structure, the billing process, or fees owed to eBay;
I guess if you do not have an eBay account then the above does not apply...if you do have an account then I think it does apply. >>
When making a phone call to a dealer, one is not using "eBay sites, services [or] tools." >>
Using that logic, the seller could make the phone call and he wouldn't be violating EBay rules, either. Sorry, but I think you're rationalizing your hypocritical behavior.
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<< <i>I certainly agree the seller would be violating eBay policy; however, it's unclear to me that the buyer would be violating eBay policy. You can't breech a contract where no contract exists.
While using eBay sites, services and tools, you will not: circumvent or manipulate our fee structure, the billing process, or fees owed to eBay;
I guess if you do not have an eBay account then the above does not apply...if you do have an account then I think it does apply. >>
When making a phone call to a dealer, one is not using "eBay sites, services [or] tools." >>
Using that logic, the seller could make the phone call and he wouldn't be violating EBay rules, either. Sorry, but I think you're rationalizing your hypocritical behavior. >>
The seller would have an active eBay listing while he was making the phone call; therefore, he would be using "eBay sites, services [or] tools." I'm not a fan of cheating; however, I'm not a fan of making needless donations to eBay or anybody else.