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An issue with Chameleon Coins..anyone here know him? No response today. UPDATE on last page.

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    Looks like #26 isn't home. Maybe you can leave a message with #25; he appears to be home.
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    ChrisRxChrisRx Posts: 5,619 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Looks like #26 isn't home. Maybe you can leave a message with #25; he appears to be home. >>



    Well you get an hour a day to drop the soap...
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    pennyanniepennyannie Posts: 3,929 ✭✭✭


    << <i>pennyannie ,

    I will make a mental note to remember if I ever see you at a show about to do business with a con artist - I won't get personally involved .

    The members of this board enjoy a brotherhood , a common bond of expected honesty and fairness and decency .............

    we help each other if we can , we don't hide behind some B.S code of conduct that the "good 'ole boy's " dealerships dream up >>



    PawPaul- I do not want to see anyone get ripped off, i just question others getting involved thru phone calls and emails after reading a thread. If i talked to you at a show and you made a comment that you were about to drop some $$$ on some toned franklins from so and so's table, if i knew something you did not, i would tell you. image To me there is a difference here.

    If you move out of my duplex, i do not need coin guy hounding me for your deposit without seeing the way the unit was left, but then again i try to avoid as many issues as i can. It makes life simplier.

    P.S. i try to stay away from the con artist type.
    Mark
    NGC registry V-Nickel proof #6!!!!
    working on proof shield nickels # 8 with a bullet!!!!

    RIP "BEAR"
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    WoodenJeffersonWoodenJefferson Posts: 6,491 ✭✭✭✭
    Has this thread officially *jumped the shark* yet?
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    BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,783 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Has this thread officially *jumped the shark* yet? >>



    I think so. The chest puffing by those NOT affected directly, the attempts at humor and large graphic files, etc.....those all tell me that people are more interested in appearing funny than just offering support/suggestions and that they don't care much. Just my opinion, but it has repeated itself enough times on the forum over the years that the pattern is there.

    I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment

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    AnkurJAnkurJ Posts: 11,375 ✭✭✭✭
    This has been reported to the Dallas police internet fraud department and to www.ic3.gov which is run by the FBI and two other agencies. This was the coin, and I'm sure the images were juiced.

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    PCcoinsPCcoins Posts: 3,354 ✭✭✭
    Actually that bust looks very nice and the image doesn't look juiced that much at all.
    "It is what it is."
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    AnkurJAnkurJ Posts: 11,375 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Actually that bust looks very nice and the image doesn't look juiced that much at all. >>



    Yea I liked the look of it too. So much for that.
    All coins kept in bank vaults.
    PCGS Registries
    Box of 20
    SeaEagleCoins: 11/14/54-4/5/12. Miss you Larry!
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    darktonedarktone Posts: 8,437 ✭✭✭
    Almost makes you wonder if it was even his coin? Their is that outfit in Texas you might want to contact also that investigates coin crimes. I can't remember the name of them but one phone call from them might fo the trick too.
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    Well, I hope it gets resolved. I'd hate to think Martin ends up being a crook. I've had many a delightful conversation with him in the past, so I think it's a real shame.
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    roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,374 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This has been reported to the Dallas police internet fraud department and to www.ic3.gov which is run by the FBI and two other agencies. This was the coin, and I'm sure the images were juiced.

    Good luck with the ic3.gov hotline. I contacted my local postmaster on an obvious case of ebay mail fraud which he fully agreed with. But he said they no longer do local investigations and gave me information to upload my complaint....there, multiple agencies can take "action" and share information. I never heard a thing again from any of them. It's been 4 yrs now, maybe I should I check the status of the complaint for any new updates? They should have labeled the site idc3.gov (Idontcare.gov). As I said, you'll probably have better luck via numismatic sources who can apply more subtle pressure.

    roadrunner
    Barbarous Relic No More, LSCC -GoldSeek--shadow stats--SafeHaven--321gold
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    agreed..i got scammed on the BST a few months ago for $800 and paypal wouldn't cover it, and gave me the IC3.gov site to report it........2 months later.....not a word back....typical!
    "When someone tells you nothing is impossible, ask them to dribble a football"

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    I shot him an email yesterday.

    Besides, who the heck is Aponte?

    He ain't heavy and he sure the heck ain't my brother. image
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    pennyannie ,

    "To me there is a difference here. "

    ...fair enough
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    << <i>Has this thread officially *jumped the shark* yet? >>



    I think so. The chest puffing by those NOT affected directly, the attempts at humor and large graphic files, etc.....those all tell me that people are more interested in appearing funny than just offering support/suggestions and that they don't care much. Just my opinion, but it has repeated itself enough times on the forum over the years that the pattern is there. >>




    ...the interjection of humor into this depressing and sad thread kind of breaks the tension of a very emotional , serious subject........

    maybe we can get back on track ; Underdog may be the best hope yet !
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    BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,783 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>I shot him an email yesterday.

    Besides, who the heck is Aponte?

    He ain't heavy and he sure the heck ain't my brother. image >>



    May I ask why you didn't call him, afterall you proudly and pointedly posted his telephone number for all to see and suggested that one should call him?
    I would have thought by your posts that you were already in comminication with him, since you that was the only reason you switched from so called forum lurker to forum member. My purpose for replying is to see this matter resolved, isn't that yours too? >>




    I can easily think of reasons why, if I were in this poster's shoes, I wouldn't call someone even if I had dealt with them and felt they were standup folk....
    Mainly, because, unless it is a strong PERSONAL friend, I would send email and wouldn't want to get into a phone discussion. I wouldn't care for excuses, I wouldn't care for anything...I would just be like "this is happening and you may want to deal with it".
    Not saying Martin is in the right, and like many, his coins weren't usually like his pictures (for the worse). I bought one and he didn't want to take a return. Instead of fighting over a $50ish coin, I just said "screw it" and he lost a lot of future sales in me (over 1-2 years ago)...this was on ebay. No way would I bid up higher on the juiced images.

    Now, if this new poster is really Martin, someone who has been lurking, or anything else, I have no way of knowing and it isn't worth puffing out my chest to challenge him. Until he proves himself, I will just not worry about it.

    I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment

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    SoCalBigMarkSoCalBigMark Posts: 2,851 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Sure is a bunch of formerly banned members in this thread.image
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    Do you mean that that ,I HAVE TO put up with all of this crap on my favorite website,or am I just gonna hafta delete it from my computer altogether?
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    AnkurJAnkurJ Posts: 11,375 ✭✭✭✭
    UPDATE: After speaking to the internet fraud department, and them contacting Martin, I have recieved an email to try correcting the situation.
    All coins kept in bank vaults.
    PCGS Registries
    Box of 20
    SeaEagleCoins: 11/14/54-4/5/12. Miss you Larry!
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    Hope you get rectified quickly and painlessly
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    tcmitssrtcmitssr Posts: 1,570 ✭✭✭


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    << <i>Hi. I know Martin, and he won't rip you off. I will say that he is by far the slowest and I really mean slowest dealer I've ever bought from ever, but he's always been square and honest. Thoughts from a newbie. image >>



    First post, just signed up. Uh, yeah, I'm buying it.

    Russ, NCNE >>



    Cynical bast*rd!

    LTNS, Russ imageimage
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    SwampboySwampboy Posts: 13,277 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>UPDATE: After speaking to the internet fraud department, and them contacting Martin, I have recieved an email to try rectifying the situation. >>



    Best of luck Ankur.
    Hope this ends well for you.

    "Inspiration exists, but it has to find you working" Pablo Picasso

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    << <i>UPDATE: After speaking to the internet fraud department, and them contacting Martin, I have recieved an email to try rectifying the situation. >>





    Well I hope that is not like a Colonoscopy
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    TomBTomB Posts: 23,348 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I wish you luck, but I imagine the internet fraud department will lack sufficient manpower, jurisdiction or commitment to force a positive outcome for you. Perhaps I am cynical, but it is the way I think it will go down should he resist.
    Thomas Bush Numismatics & Numismatic Photography

    In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson

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    PCcoinsPCcoins Posts: 3,354 ✭✭✭
    geesh, what a freaking headache. image

    I hope you receive your money back one of these days.
    "It is what it is."
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    darktonedarktone Posts: 8,437 ✭✭✭
    ?????
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    AnkurJAnkurJ Posts: 11,375 ✭✭✭✭
    He started replying after the detective from the online fraud department called him. Trying to work it out.
    All coins kept in bank vaults.
    PCGS Registries
    Box of 20
    SeaEagleCoins: 11/14/54-4/5/12. Miss you Larry!
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    DCWDCW Posts: 7,938 ✭✭✭✭✭
    What a class act. I guess a chameleon always shows its true colors afterall.

    Dead Cat Waltz Exonumia
    "Coin collecting for outcasts..."

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    I bought a toned dime or something from this jerk for like 3-4 dollars on ebay. He sent me a kennedy half dollar. He refused to do anything to make it right, saying that the kennedy was worth what I paid in silver. I guess that's one way to not fulfill your ebay orders if you don't like the price you get.

    The guy is one hundred percent a-hole.

    imageQuid pro quo. Yes or no?
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    roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,374 ✭✭✭✭✭
    He started replying after the detective from the online fraud department called him. Trying to work it out.

    I'm amazed that they took any action at all, especially so quick. I don't think they had an internet fraud division back in 2006, just a website to bury all the complaints. Our hats are off to you. After 4 yrs it looks like they've actually made progress in this division.

    AnkurJ, if you happen to talk to that guy again ask him to give me a call about the status of my 4 yr old internet/mail/ebay fraud case (where I provided the seller's home phone number, home address on Boulder Pass, Union City, Georgia, how the fraud was accomplished, whose auction they copied, and a satellite view of the beautiful new home they were currently living in). All they had to do was call them or knock on their door.

    roadrunner
    Barbarous Relic No More, LSCC -GoldSeek--shadow stats--SafeHaven--321gold
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    many a delightful conversation

    OK, now! IMHO... no dude talks about his friends like that, and then Dead-related musical reference (he ain't heavy...), being the underdog (feeling beat down + remember Martin's pit bull in his sigline?)... it all leads me to believe that catdog (schizo-affective nomenclature + the delightful conversations with self = wtf!?!) has got to be Martin. Duh!!! Why are we even entertaining the notion that Martin has this mysterious friend, who was duped too (he somehow has the wrong number like Ankur)? He talks up Martin in the toned nickel thread (interesting the similar collecting interests). It can't be! There's one guy - Martin - who's been participating in the discussion from the beginning. Then Ankur gets an email shortly after the superhero dog arrives on the scene purportedly remedying the situation. It all fits, no? This is one sick puppy, that's for darned sure! image Real signs of sociopathic behavior here, IMHO. Maybe Sportsmod could shed some light on Martin/catdog's location for Ankur and the FBI/police.
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    << <i>many a delightful conversation

    OK, now! IMHO... no dude talks about his friends like that, and then Dead-related musical reference (he ain't heavy...), being the underdog (feeling beat down + remember Martin's pit bull in his sigline?)... it all leads me to believe that catdog (schizo-affective nomenclature + the delightful conversations with self = wtf!?!) has got to be Martin. Duh!!! Why are we even entertaining the notion that Martin has this mysterious friend, who was duped too (he somehow has the wrong number like Ankur)? He talks up Martin in the toned nickel thread (interesting the similar collecting interests). It can't be! There's one guy - Martin - who's been participating in the discussion from the beginning. Then Ankur gets an email shortly after the superhero dog arrives on the scene purportedly remedying the situation. It all fits, no? This is one sick puppy, that's for darned sure! image Real signs of sociopathic behavior here, IMHO. Maybe Sportsmod could shed some light on Martin/catdog's location for Ankur and the FBI/police. >>



    First off, no one asked for your opinion and it clearly stinks.

    Second. get off my back. I'm not Martin and have never met him personally. I have bought over 100 items from him and I never got ripped off. Sorry if YOU did.

    I've also bought 100's of coins from half of you pinheads so STHU before you lose my business.

    What a MEAN bunch of people here. And to think you banned ksteelheader. He was a jerk but at least everyone knew it.
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    << <i>many a delightful conversation

    OK, now! IMHO... no dude talks about his friends like that, and then Dead-related musical reference (he ain't heavy...), being the underdog (feeling beat down + remember Martin's pit bull in his sigline?)... it all leads me to believe that catdog (schizo-affective nomenclature + the delightful conversations with self = wtf!?!) has got to be Martin. Duh!!! Why are we even entertaining the notion that Martin has this mysterious friend, who was duped too (he somehow has the wrong number like Ankur)? He talks up Martin in the toned nickel thread (interesting the similar collecting interests). It can't be! There's one guy - Martin - who's been participating in the discussion from the beginning. Then Ankur gets an email shortly after the superhero dog arrives on the scene purportedly remedying the situation. It all fits, no? This is one sick puppy, that's for darned sure! image Real signs of sociopathic behavior here, IMHO. Maybe Sportsmod could shed some light on Martin/catdog's location for Ankur and the FBI/police. >>



    First off, no one asked for your opinion and it clearly stinks.

    Second. get off my back. I'm not Martin and have never met him personally. I have bought over 100 items from him and I never got ripped off. Sorry if YOU did.

    I've also bought 100's of coins from half of you pinheads so STHU before you lose my business.

    What a MEAN bunch of people here. And to think you banned ksteelheader. He was a jerk but at least everyone knew it. >>





    What I am about to say is not intended as mean... just my honest opinion...

    I do not believe you... hence, I do not trust you... hence, I do not want your business...

    image



    edited to add... again, in my opinion, you know way too much about the history of this forum to register in my mind as anything other than an alt... period... whether you are Martin or not is irrelevant to me at this point...
    Re: Slabbed coins - There are some coins that LIVE within clear plastic and wear their labels with pride... while there are others that HIDE behind scratched plastic and are simply dragged along by a label. Then there are those coins that simply hang out, naked and free image
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    << <i>many a delightful conversation

    OK, now! IMHO... no dude talks about his friends like that, and then Dead-related musical reference (he ain't heavy...), being the underdog (feeling beat down + remember Martin's pit bull in his sigline?)... it all leads me to believe that catdog (schizo-affective nomenclature + the delightful conversations with self = wtf!?!) has got to be Martin. Duh!!! Why are we even entertaining the notion that Martin has this mysterious friend, who was duped too (he somehow has the wrong number like Ankur)? He talks up Martin in the toned nickel thread (interesting the similar collecting interests). It can't be! There's one guy - Martin - who's been participating in the discussion from the beginning. Then Ankur gets an email shortly after the superhero dog arrives on the scene purportedly remedying the situation. It all fits, no? This is one sick puppy, that's for darned sure! image Real signs of sociopathic behavior here, IMHO. Maybe Sportsmod could shed some light on Martin/catdog's location for Ankur and the FBI/police. >>



    First off, no one asked for your opinion and it clearly stinks.

    Second. get off my back. I'm not Martin and have never met him personally. I have bought over 100 items from him and I never got ripped off. Sorry if YOU did.

    I've also bought 100's of coins from half of you pinheads so STHU before you lose my business.

    What a MEAN bunch of people here. And to think you banned ksteelheader. He was a jerk but at least everyone knew it. >>



    I'm wondering how you've managed to buy 100's of coins from half us pinheads when you have only just become a member ?
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    "What a MEAN bunch of people here. "
    catdog--You apparently do not have the slightest idea of what "mean" really is.

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    BearBear Posts: 18,953 ✭✭✭
    Alright folks. Time to act like adults and have a cooling off period.

    Everything that had to be said, has already been said. Let us all

    move on, shall we and get back to coins, numismatics, tokens and

    medals. Thank you all, Bear
    There once was a place called
    Camelotimage
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    << <i>many a delightful conversation

    OK, now! IMHO... no dude talks about his friends like that, and then Dead-related musical reference (he ain't heavy...), being the underdog (feeling beat down + remember Martin's pit bull in his sigline?)... it all leads me to believe that catdog (schizo-affective nomenclature + the delightful conversations with self = wtf!?!) has got to be Martin. Duh!!! Why are we even entertaining the notion that Martin has this mysterious friend, who was duped too (he somehow has the wrong number like Ankur)? He talks up Martin in the toned nickel thread (interesting the similar collecting interests). It can't be! There's one guy - Martin - who's been participating in the discussion from the beginning. Then Ankur gets an email shortly after the superhero dog arrives on the scene purportedly remedying the situation. It all fits, no? This is one sick puppy, that's for darned sure! image Real signs of sociopathic behavior here, IMHO. Maybe Sportsmod could shed some light on Martin/catdog's location for Ankur and the FBI/police. >>



    First off, no one asked for your opinion and it clearly stinks.

    Second. get off my back. I'm not Martin and have never met him personally. I have bought over 100 items from him and I never got ripped off. Sorry if YOU did.

    I've also bought 100's of coins from half of you pinheads so STHU before you lose my business.

    What a MEAN bunch of people here. And to think you banned ksteelheader. He was a jerk but at least everyone knew it. >>



    I'm wondering how you've managed to buy 100's of coins from half us pinheads when you have only just become a member ? >>



    First I don't buy worthless slock from SeaEagleCoins so you don't have to worry.

    Second, just because I JUST joined doesn't mean I'm not a serious collector.

    Third, I know mean and that's exactly how I've been treated JUST for saying I didn't think Martin would rip someone off.

    If he does then I'm wrong. EXCUSE ME. Are you people coin collectors or a bunch or bitter old men waiting for a good day to die off?

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    WoodenJeffersonWoodenJefferson Posts: 6,491 ✭✭✭✭
    You want all of us to go into hibernation?
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    << <i>You want all of us to go into hibernation? >>


    Only the jerks. They know who they are.
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    << <i>many a delightful conversation

    OK, now! IMHO... no dude talks about his friends like that, and then Dead-related musical reference (he ain't heavy...), being the underdog (feeling beat down + remember Martin's pit bull in his sigline?)... it all leads me to believe that catdog (schizo-affective nomenclature + the delightful conversations with self = wtf!?!) has got to be Martin. Duh!!! Why are we even entertaining the notion that Martin has this mysterious friend, who was duped too (he somehow has the wrong number like Ankur)? He talks up Martin in the toned nickel thread (interesting the similar collecting interests). It can't be! There's one guy - Martin - who's been participating in the discussion from the beginning. Then Ankur gets an email shortly after the superhero dog arrives on the scene purportedly remedying the situation. It all fits, no? This is one sick puppy, that's for darned sure! image Real signs of sociopathic behavior here, IMHO. Maybe Sportsmod could shed some light on Martin/catdog's location for Ankur and the FBI/police. >>



    First off, no one asked for your opinion and it clearly stinks.

    Second. get off my back. I'm not Martin and have never met him personally. I have bought over 100 items from him and I never got ripped off. Sorry if YOU did.

    I've also bought 100's of coins from half of you pinheads so STHU before you lose my business.

    What a MEAN bunch of people here. And to think you banned ksteelheader. He was a jerk but at least everyone knew it. >>



    I'm wondering how you've managed to buy 100's of coins from half us pinheads when you have only just become a member ? >>



    First I don't buy worthless slock from SeaEagleCoins so you don't have to worry.

    Second, just because I JUST joined doesn't mean I'm not a serious collector.

    Third, I know mean and that's exactly how I've been treated JUST for saying I didn't think Martin would rip someone off.

    If he does then I'm wrong. EXCUSE ME. Are you people coin collectors or a bunch or bitter old men waiting for a good day to die off? >>




    You havnt answered my question , you said you have bought hundreds of coins from us "pinheads" , i've nothing to do with SeaEaglecoins so i don't know why that would or would not worry me ?
    I'd say rather than bitter old men we are just not as dumb as you would like to think.I happen to agree with Bear , a very wise old bear so this is my last input to the matter.In my opinion you slipped up posting about purchases and will find that a difficult one to explain.
    Collector or no collector to buy from us "pnheads" you had to have been a member.
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    << <i>Collector or no collector to buy from us "pnheads" you had to have been a member. >>



    Many of you sell on eBay and I buy maybe 20-30 coins per week off eBay. So, it doesn't have to be via the BST.

    What in the heck is all the hostility? Maybe you ought to add back the "Open Forum" back up for all you people that want to attack and accuse new people who join to talk about coins.

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    coindeucecoindeuce Posts: 13,534 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    Catdog stated:

    Only the jerks. They know who they are. >>



    And you're not a jerk for claiming in another thread to have purchased an 1804 dollar . Right.

    "Everything is on its way to somewhere. Everything." - George Malley, Phenomenon
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    MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 40,323 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Alright folks. Time to act like adults and have a cooling off period.

    Everything that had to be said, has already been said. Let us all

    move on, shall we and get back to coins, numismatics, tokens and

    medals. Thank you all, Bear >>




    I agree.

    Current maintainer of Stone's Master List of Favorite Websites // My BST transactions
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    OMG! image It's not Martin! It's bnbcoins - Jarett Jay Casesa - complaining about us meanies again! LMFAO!!! image

    image

    OMG2 - OK, now I'm starting to feel a little bad: "bnb" = "bullied not broken" - uhm, woah!
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    << <i>Collector or no collector to buy from us "pnheads" you had to have been a member. >>



    Many of you sell on eBay and I buy maybe 20-30 coins per week off eBay. So, it doesn't have to be via the BST.

    What in the heck is all the hostility? Maybe you ought to add back the "Open Forum" back up for all you people that want to attack and accuse new people who join to talk about coins. >>



    To match the ebay id to people here again you would need to be a member , sure you could lurk but that doesn't sound like someone who buys hundreds of coins does it ? Nobody is attacking you , quite the reverse actually.I think the ebay excuse is an obvious one , so lets clear it up then , who have you bought coins from here ? Lets see if they can verify you , there's your out buddy , call on them now and we can put it all to bed.
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