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Has anyone ever heard of a coin being lasered in-slab?

renomedphysrenomedphys Posts: 3,941 ✭✭✭✭✭
It just seems that a laser could penetrate a clean highly polished slab no problem.

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    lcoopielcoopie Posts: 8,875 ✭✭✭✭✭
    wouldn't the heat melt the slab?
    LCoopie = Les
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    renomedphysrenomedphys Posts: 3,941 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>wouldn't the heat melt the slab? >>


    From the laser's interaction with the slab or the heat generated from the surface of the coin? I don't think the laser would interact strongly enough with the slab to melt it. This could be determined experimentally with a $10 coin, provided you have a laser.
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    lcoopielcoopie Posts: 8,875 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I meant from the hot metal,
    I know the slabs can come close to melting just from using my halogen lights to take pics.
    LCoopie = Les
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    LindeDadLindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Why would you even want to try isn't the reason coins are lazered is to increase the grade when submitted for grading?
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    tahoe98tahoe98 Posts: 11,388 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I meant from the hot metal,
    I know the slabs can come close to melting just from using my halogen lights to take pics. >>



    ...yet ANOTHER reason to have glass slabs. image
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    PawPaulPawPaul Posts: 5,845
    I think you would be absolutely amazed at what can be done with a laser in highly skilled hands
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    19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,503 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>It just seems that a laser could penetrate a clean highly polished slab no problem. >>

    You're kidding right?

    The melting point of gold is above 1,900 degree Farenheit yet the ignition point of paper is a paulty 842 degrees Farenheit.

    Given the fact that to successfully laser a coin, the gold has to reach its melting point, I think that the confined space of a slab would prohibit any dispersion of the heat generated during the process provided the plastic is not affect by the laser.
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    19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,503 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I think you would be absolutely amazed at what can be done with a laser in highly skilled hands >>

    .......in the proper conditions friend.
    I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.



    The name is LEE!
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    renomedphysrenomedphys Posts: 3,941 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>...yet ANOTHER reason to have glass slabs. image >>


    Reminds me of an old saying...

    ...coins that live in glass slabs shouldn't grow tone image
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    tahoe98tahoe98 Posts: 11,388 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>...yet ANOTHER reason to have glass slabs. image >>


    Reminds me of an old saying...

    ...coins that live in glass slabs shouldn't grow tone image >>



    ...just think. you could REALLY crack 'em out! image
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    AMRCAMRC Posts: 4,280 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I am sure you can "laser" a coin in a slab but to what effect? Anything that could produce and effect on the coin, would undoubtedly leave evidence on the slab.
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    heard of coins being gassed in the slab.
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    mrdqmrdq Posts: 1,186 ✭✭✭
    Paper is 450.

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    "Why would you even want to try isn't the reason coins are lazered is to increase the grade when submitted for grading?"

    To upgrade on a regrade? image
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    itsnotjustmeitsnotjustme Posts: 8,787 ✭✭✭
    And a book is Farenheight 451. (Catch the double meaning....)

    No, I have never heard of a coin being lasered in a slab.

    So, does one laser it in the slab then send it for a re-grade? Crack it and send it? Sell it without re-grade?
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    mcarney1173mcarney1173 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭✭✭
    FBL!!!!
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    FrankcoinsFrankcoins Posts: 4,572 ✭✭✭
    I think this is a diversionary false story to make everyone on the lookout for laser machines when the real culprit is a cotton ball and silver polish.
    Frank Provasek - PCGS Authorized Dealer, Life Member ANA, Member TNA. www.frankcoins.com
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    MrSpudMrSpud Posts: 4,499 ✭✭✭
    I dunno, how can they laser someones eye lens without melting the surrounding tissue? If they can do that maybe they can laser a coin in a slab.
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    FrankcoinsFrankcoins Posts: 4,572 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I dunno, how can they laser someones eye lens without melting the surrounding tissue? If they can do that maybe they can laser a coin in a slab. >>



    Body parts cook instead of melt...
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    << <i>

    << <i>It just seems that a laser could penetrate a clean highly polished slab no problem. >>

    You're kidding right?

    The melting point of gold is above 1,900 degree Farenheit yet the ignition point of paper is a paulty 842 degrees Farenheit.

    Given the fact that to successfully laser a coin, the gold has to reach its melting point, I think that the confined space of a slab would prohibit any dispersion of the heat generated during the process provided the plastic is not affect by the laser. >>


    Actually I think you will find that paper will ignite at around 450 degrees Fahrenheit .
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    sinin1sinin1 Posts: 7,500
    PCGS has a secret anti-laser and anti-heat device inside their slabs


    it is top secret so no one is supposed to know about it, but I experienced it one sunny day a couple of summers ago

    I had an inexpensive PCGS statehood quarter I purchased at a local small show and threw it on the dash of my car
    which I forgot about for a couple days

    It seems the rubber/silicone gasket-like product that surrounds the coin inside the slab covering the edges
    has a much lower melting point than any of the things you mention

    and due to the heat conductivity of most of the coins in the PCGS slabs, it would be appropriate to this discussion


    if the slab gets hot - the stuff melts and leaves large air bubbles
    once it cools, it comes off easily in 1 piece


    so my recommendation is do not buy any coin in a PCGS slab surrounded by air bubbles in the silicone
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    BarryBarry Posts: 10,100 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I dunno, how can they laser someones eye lens without melting the surrounding tissue? If they can do that maybe they can laser a coin in a slab. >>


    Are you referring to cataract surgery or lasik?
    If cataract surgery , the lens is not lasered. It's fragmented and removed using ultrasound, during which a constant stream of saline is running through the instrument and eye to maintain eye pressure and provide cooling.
    If lasik, it's the cornea that's reshaped, not the lens. It's an excimer laser which breaks molecular bonds and vaporizes tissue. This type of laser does not generate heat.


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    BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,626 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>FBL!!!! >>



    Fixed Bell Lines!!!

    FLL!!!! Full Lasered Lines.


    theknowitalltroll;
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    TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 45,035 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Lasered in slabs I haven't heard of. Tasered to slabs, of course.
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    TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 45,035 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>I dunno, how can they laser someones eye lens without melting the surrounding tissue? If they can do that maybe they can laser a coin in a slab. >>



    Body parts cook instead of melt... >>

    image
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    LindeDadLindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Stored in a blue box about two feet from a base board heater that never got too hot to touch with my bare hand.
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    ColonelJessupColonelJessup Posts: 6,442 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The OP should not ask this question of high school physics students, who would laugh at him shamelessly.
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    renomedphysrenomedphys Posts: 3,941 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>The OP should not ask this question of high school physics students, who would laugh at him shamelessly. >>


    Actually, I am a physicist by trade. I'm also not afraid to ask questions. Even seemingly dumb ones. You'd be surprised what's within the realm of clever science.
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    sinin1sinin1 Posts: 7,500
    if that is the case, show us what you have done in a slab
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    19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,503 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>I dunno, how can they laser someones eye lens without melting the surrounding tissue? If they can do that maybe they can laser a coin in a slab. >>



    Body parts cook instead of melt... >>

    My understanding is that the cornea is peeled back for this type of surgery.
    I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.



    The name is LEE!
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    BECOKABECOKA Posts: 16,961 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Why would you even want to try isn't the reason coins are lazered is to increase the grade when submitted for grading? >>



    I would think that if a slab lasered coin were sent in for a re-grade it would be less likely to be scrutinized for lasering than if it were sent in raw.
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    coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭
    I'm not sure the original question has been answered, yet, and my answer is no. Nor do I think it could be done.
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    PlacidPlacid Posts: 11,299 ✭✭✭
    I dont get what the point of doing it would be.
    If its to get a higher grade pcgs cracks the coins out of the current holder before the grading for a regrade.
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    .......I can sure see why, if possible , it would be advantageous to the unscrupulous ..........

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