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If a non-"billionaire" collector wants to collect truly rare numismatic material ...

291fifth291fifth Posts: 25,186 ✭✭✭✭✭
... he or she is going to have to collect something other than US coins.

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    MoldnutMoldnut Posts: 3,116 ✭✭✭✭
    False! Many dates in the Seated series can be had for a fair price.
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    ambro51ambro51 Posts: 14,345 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Hard Times Tokens. the "truly rare numismatic material" for non-billionaires.

    1 of 6 known. My newP...and...its in Redbook, which makes it "legit"

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    dohdoh Posts: 6,457 ✭✭✭
    "truly rare" means different things to different people, so I must disagree with you.
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    Depends what the truly rare US coins are. There are many crevices of US numismatics that are extremely rare, but under-appreciated and can be acquired next to nothing. There are even some mainstream series where very rare coins can be had for reasonable amounts.
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    tahoe98tahoe98 Posts: 11,388 ✭✭✭

    ...yes? image
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    291fifth291fifth Posts: 25,186 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Hard Times tokens are not US coins. They are tokens.
    All glory is fleeting.
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    ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,482 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Hard Times tokens are not US coins. They are tokens. >>

    Being in the Redbook is enough for many, including PCGS:

    << <i>its in Redbook, which makes it "legit" >>

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    CoinosaurusCoinosaurus Posts: 9,652 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>False! Many dates in the Seated series can be had for a fair price. >>



    And many of the lesser known varieties aren't valued any differently than a "regular" example.
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    ambro51ambro51 Posts: 14,345 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I didnt say it was a US coin. You question posed is in reference to "other" than US coins...and yes, it is an "other" but still very close to a US coin since it DID circulate as money in this country.

    However, it would also be possible to collect rare coins from Zanzibar...but what the H*** fun would THAT be????image
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    RYKRYK Posts: 35,800 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Not true. There's lots of stuff available for decamillionaires. image
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    291fifth291fifth Posts: 25,186 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>False! Many dates in the Seated series can be had for a fair price. >>



    But are they really rare or are they just hoarded?
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    ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,482 ✭✭✭✭✭
    What is your definition of truly or really rare?

    Less than 10? Less than 5?

    Errors come to mind.
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    atarianatarian Posts: 3,116
    I have a $10 large size national currency note 1 of 5 on the bank and 1 of maybe 2 with a date back and it was had for 160. in a group lot. Long as not many people are after the bank alot of notes can be had cheap and on a budget.
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    ctf_error_coinsctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I am the opposite of a Billionaire, but I have many one-of-a-kind error coins in my collection.

    I also have the below which is a rare error with only about 12 known, I would consider that extremely rare.

    Enjoy

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    ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,482 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I also have the below which is a rare error with only about 12 known, I would consider that extremely rare. >>

    Sweet.

    I mentioned errors above image
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    ctf_error_coinsctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>I also have the below which is a rare error with only about 12 known, I would consider that extremely rare. >>

    Sweet.

    I mentioned errors above image >>



    Indeed you did image

    And this dated copper error which can't have a very large population

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    291fifth291fifth Posts: 25,186 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Don't let the "billionaires" know about the errors!
    All glory is fleeting.
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    19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,503 ✭✭✭✭
    "If a non-"billionaire" collector wants to collect truly rare numismatic material ..."

    Given the "true" definition or rare numismatic material, either he/she will first need to start collecting/accumulating cash or he/she will need to start "successfully" dealing coins as truely "rare" coins are rarely ever found! They are either purchased or traded. The same is true for "truly rare" numismatic material beit buttons, medals, coins, or whatever.
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    19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,503 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>False! Many dates in the Seated series can be had for a fair price. >>

    But would these be considered "truly rare"?
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    ambro51ambro51 Posts: 14,345 ✭✭✭✭✭
    lots of gold dollars have surviving populations of fewer than 100.
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    MidLifeCrisisMidLifeCrisis Posts: 10,613 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Wrong.

    Start small...choose carefully...trade up...less is more....some truly rare US coins can be acquired by us mere mortals.
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    drei3reedrei3ree Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭✭
    Bill Cowburn Jr has a good article about rarity: Rare Coins
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    Many national bank notes with less than 5 know can be had for $1000 or less. I paid $400 for each of 2 of 3 know Texas nationals from a charter. I also paid $75 for a piece of county script that is unique.
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    JCMhoustonJCMhouston Posts: 5,306 ✭✭✭
    What is "truly rare"? In my mind Rare starts at approximately 100 known, Very Rare less than 50, Extremely Rare less than 10. And as the linked article points out actual rarity often has little to do with price.

    And I also mostly agree with the OP. Sure, you might cherry pick a really obscrue variety for less than the price of a new car, or buy a rarity in low grade or with some damage. But for the most part collectible rareties in US Coins go for big money. Keeping in mind that I consider tokens to be a different group of collectibles, and currency as well.
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    MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,691 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Many Colonial rarities can be had at very reasonable prices.

    Errors are also a great opportunity.

    And believe it or not, patterns are very collectable on a somewhat modest budget, assuming you set strict boundaries on the collection. For example, if I were to collect patterns, I might limit myself to 1896 patterns by composition and die variety. I'd probably end up with 20 coins over the course of 10 years, for a total cost of 150-200K. And that's assuming I'm buying the finest quality I can find.

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    ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,482 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>patterns are very collectable on a somewhat modest budget >>

    I thought of patterns and I do like them quite a bit, but I don't consider them coins and the OP seemed to be pretty strict on limiting the inquiry to coins.
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    MercuryMercury Posts: 1,052 ✭✭✭✭
    Buy good coins in your price range now, sell later and buy better coins. you work your way up. This hobby is not home runs it is the long haul, for most people. IMOH
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    GrivGriv Posts: 2,804
    Some dates are harder than others. Just try finding one of these in MS69. image

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    ArizonaJackArizonaJack Posts: 4,029 ✭✭✭
    How many billionaires can own a 1926-S Lincoln in PCGS 65RD ?
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    Since the OP mentioned "numismatic material", then don't forget numismatic literature.

    Some American auction catalogues that have been issued have an original population of 10 or less. These would include some of the plated 19th century sales, large paper editions, or modern, full leatherbound catalogues that are truly a delight to own.

    Did I mention the deluxe 1925 Browning quarter book, or the 1928 Raymond deluxe U S Gold Coins book? Both have less than 5 known!
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    ranshdowranshdow Posts: 1,447 ✭✭✭✭
    (birthplace of Clinton)

    D. Carr should make one of *those*
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    Depends on your definition of truly rare.
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    seateddimeseateddime Posts: 6,180 ✭✭✭
    I can show you seated dimes with under 10 mint state example known including resubmitted coins for under $5000.

    While this is not a cheap coin it is in the grasp of many collectors and far rarer than say a 1797 $1 in a PCGS VF20 holder.
    I seldom check PM's but do check emails often jason@seated.org

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    cladkingcladking Posts: 29,975 ✭✭✭✭✭
    A little imagination can identify all sorts of rare US coins that are cheap.

    An gem AU-58 Morgan or merc set is doable by many people. These could make spectacular
    sets and some of the coins will prove quite scarce. Easier dates you can use gemmier coins
    and the harder dates higher grades and then with the easiest dates you can swap for true
    gems.

    PL moderns can be exceptionally tough and those a little less tough you can use proofier coins.

    How about uncirculated chop marked trade dollars and counterstamped US coins used abroad.

    Most varieties aren't extremely scarce but they can be in higher grades. This especially applies
    to moderns but it applies to many low mintage older varieties as well.

    There are still the coins minted for circulation since '05 in high grades which can be fouind for
    face value. It requires a great deal of work to track down gems and look through lots of coins
    but some of these will prove extremely scarce or rare in nce shape.

    Most of the opportunities for collecting true rarities cheap are in exonumia and world coins but
    since every coin is truly unique there is simply no reason you can't have a rare US coin collection.
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    ambro51ambro51 Posts: 14,345 ✭✭✭✭✭
    With all due respect, I dont think shiny modern coins was what our dear OP had in mind......


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    For about the price of a modern high-end gaming console, one could buy a common date, AU-graded $5 liberty. For only about $100 more, one could instead get a rare date $5 liberty in XF, one with a PCGS population around 100. The earlier $5 liberties are amazingly cheap below AU58 to MS60. Not that $400 or $500 is easy for most people, but if the iPhone can be everywhere, then there should be a good number of people who could get one of these coins if they really wanted one.
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    SkyManSkyMan Posts: 9,592 ✭✭✭✭✭
    291, just for interests sakes, what sort of YEARLY budget would you set for your theoretical collector? Obviously what a person can buy is dependent upon that.
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    seanqseanq Posts: 8,820 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have to register another vote for error coins, as I've put together some pretty neat collections on a shoestring budget. I'd love to see a billionaire try and duplicate my clipped Lincoln set (without making an obscene offer to buy mine, of course... or on second thought, maybe with one image ).


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    RWBRWB Posts: 8,082
    "If a non-"billionaire" collector wants to collect truly rare numismatic material ..." they should have to wear lace-up shoes.

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