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Morgan dollar: off center, double struck and PL

blu62vetteblu62vette Posts: 11,951 ✭✭✭✭✭
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I think some here will find this pretty cool. This is a GSA 1884-cc graded 63PL in the holder. It is also labeled 25% o/c and double struck. Makes for some cool impressions on the coin. Not my coin but fun to look at.

eagle head and wings in the rim
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Tailfeathers in the chest
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Something behind liberty's mouth:
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Liberty's hair in the rims:
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I was hoping to find a CC mintmark in the wrong place but never found it........

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  • LewyLewy Posts: 594 ✭
    Yes, an extremely cool coin. I have a question about the

    << <i>It is also labeled 25% o/c and double struck. >>

    If anyone understands it.........Could someone explain how this 25% is arrived at and is it the rim that causes the TPG to feel that this was double struck?
  • coinkid855coinkid855 Posts: 5,012 ✭✭✭
    THAT IS AWESOME!!! Wish I could afford something like that!



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  • blu62vetteblu62vette Posts: 11,951 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Yes, an extremely cool coin. I have a question about the

    << <i>It is also labeled 25% o/c and double struck. >>

    If anyone understands it.........Could someone explain how this 25% is arrived at and is it the rim that causes the TPG to feel that this was double struck? >>



    I have no idea where 25% came from seems like more to me. There are clearly 2 strikes on the coin.....
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  • LewyLewy Posts: 594 ✭


    << <i>I have no idea where 25% came from seems like more to me. There are clearly 2 strikes on the coin..... >>




    You 'are' joking aren't you ?
  • coinkid855coinkid855 Posts: 5,012 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>I have no idea where 25% came from seems like more to me. There are clearly 2 strikes on the coin..... >>




    You 'are' joking aren't you ? >>




    Do you not see the second strike???


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  • StubbyMcNumbthumbsStubbyMcNumbthumbs Posts: 1,259 ✭
    Maybe the second strike, seen best in the first pic, is off 25%, although that looks like it may have been the first strike which was subsequently obliterated by the second strike which was centered properly.

    Neat coin - I likey!
  • LewyLewy Posts: 594 ✭
    No, I don't that is why I asked. Could you please point it out to me? In which picture?
  • coinkid855coinkid855 Posts: 5,012 ✭✭✭
    It took me a few seconds to see the original strike. Here's an edited version of the first picture to make it easier to see.


    image




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  • LewyLewy Posts: 594 ✭
    Okay, thanks very much coinkid. I was expecting something far more dramatic.
  • coinkid855coinkid855 Posts: 5,012 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Okay, thanks very much coinkid. I was expecting something far more dramatic. >>




    You're welcome. Well, if the coin hadn't been struck a second time centered properly, it would have been more dramatic. But that second, on-center strike obliterated all but a few remnants of the original strike. But hey, then the GSA likely would have noticed it and it wouldn't have been released in the sale.



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  • mustanggtmustanggt Posts: 2,682 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think the "something" behind Liberty's mouth is the top of her forehead and beginning of her hairline.
  • LanLordLanLord Posts: 11,724 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Okay, thanks very much coinkid. I was expecting something far more dramatic. >>




    You're welcome. Well, if the coin hadn't been struck a second time centered properly, it would have been more dramatic. But that second, on-center strike obliterated all but a few remnants of the original strike. But hey, then the GSA likely would have noticed it and it wouldn't have been released in the sale.



    -Paul >>



    I'm puzzled here, to me it seems that the off center strike had to come second. The dentils are struck at the time of the obverse/reverse impression, and since some of the correct dentils are obliterated by the O/C strike, the O/C strike had to have come second.
  • sebrownsebrown Posts: 424 ✭✭
    The first strike was O/C and the field area around the eagle's head flattened the raised rim. The second strike was then fully struck in the collar but that flattened rim denied the denticles from being fully struck.
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  • errormavenerrormaven Posts: 1,170 ✭✭✭
    Actually, the first strike was in-collar and the second strike off-center and very weak. Something prevented the dies from approximating normally on the second strike so at their closest approach the dies were only able to contact the highest point of the coin -- the design rim and denticles.
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  • JRoccoJRocco Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Actually, the first strike was in-collar and the second strike off-center and very weak. Something prevented the dies from approximating normally on the second strike so at their closest approach the dies were only able to contact the highest point of the coin -- the design rim and denticles. >>



    It might better help to understand what Mike is saying if you realize that the design on the finished coin, for example the birds head, is incuse on the die.

    edited to add - very cool coin.
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  • morgandollar1878morgandollar1878 Posts: 4,006 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That is a really cool error. Thanks for showing that morgan.
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  • Cam40Cam40 Posts: 8,146 ✭
    I was checking out a GSA `84 CC today at a coin shop.
    It was a pretty impressive PL and easily a 4 I know
    and maybe a 5 on a good day. Priced right, so I should
    go back for it soon before someone else does.
    image
  • dcarrdcarr Posts: 9,131 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Actually, the first strike was in-collar and the second strike off-center and very weak. Something prevented the dies from approximating normally on the second strike so at their closest approach the dies were only able to contact the highest point of the coin -- the design rim and denticles. >>



    I believe that is correct. If the first strike was off center, then the coin definitely would NOT fit in the collar for the second strike.
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  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Okay, thanks very much coinkid. I was expecting something far more dramatic. >>



    It's neat and expensive but not very dramatic as at first glace if it was in a dealers case next to other GSA dollars you could scan right over it and move on to the next coin.

    I'm more impressed with blu62vette's images of this coin... then the coin itself! image

    Yet I too wouldn't mind finding one! image
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  • Cam40Cam40 Posts: 8,146 ✭
    now i see it.
    you could point out where the wings are and the tips of
    the leaves from the wreath also where the denticals
    would be.
    very cool
  • Cam40Cam40 Posts: 8,146 ✭
    maybe the tuft, is that a word?, of hair above the 4 and
    repeated below the 4 at edge
  • blu62vetteblu62vette Posts: 11,951 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>
    I'm more impressed with blu62vette's images of this coin... then the coin itself! image
    >>



    Some coins just play better than others......
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