Obvious proof, PCGS calls it 'MS"
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What should one do about it??
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<< <i>I think we should be a little more vague. >>
<< <i>“Obvious” is not always obvious. >>
That was my answer. Show us the pictures!
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Call customer service, ask for the finalizer to take a hard look before they mail the coin back.
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Also apparent:
1.) The color is RB; PCGS calls it BN
2.) It is a cameo strike. Yes, I understand PCGS only recognizes RD coins as 'Cameo'
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Can we see the reverse? Maybe that's the issue.
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These 1851 patterns for a proposed coinage ... were apparently made for speculation in San Francisco by a company from Birmingham, England, as an eagle hub bearing this name is mentioned by Don Taxay as possessing an English pedigree. Denominations of $2½, $5, $10, and $20 are known in silver, copper, and white metal. The master hub is presently in the Bank of California museum.
--Quoted from Donald H. Kagin's, "Private Gold Coins and Patterns of the United States", copyright 1981, Arco Publishing, Inc. of New York
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<< <i>What should one do about it?? >>
Unless you own the coin, there's not much that can be done.
The name is LEE!
<< <i>BTW, for those that don't recognize the piece, which should be most of us:
These 1851 patterns for a proposed coinage ... were apparently made for speculation in San Francisco by a company from Birmingham, England, as an eagle hub bearing this name is mentioned by Don Taxay as possessing an English pedigree. Denominations of $2½, $5, $10, and $20 are known in silver, copper, and white metal. The master hub is presently in the Bank of California museum.
--Quoted from Donald H. Kagin's, "Private Gold Coins and Patterns of the United States", copyright 1981, Arco Publishing, Inc. of New York >>
Does PCGS give the proof designation to privately issued coins?
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"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
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BTW, I could live with an "SP" designation, especially because none of these were made for circulation.
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Yes.
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I had checked uspatterns.com before I posted. Didn't see anything listed...
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Or does it really matter price is going to be what somebody is willing to pay no matter how much it's hyped.
If it's been to PCGS twice and both evaluations confirm it is not a proof it's time to move along.
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"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
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It wouldn't matter to me. It could easily matter to someone else.
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the term "Proof" denotes a method of manufacture. certainly we all know(at least we should) this and that the term relates to certain aspects of production such as specially treated/handled planchets, specially prepared dies, different presses/number of strikes, etc, etc. the Pattern guys and the graders at PCGS should be familiar with those things concerning these issues and that seems the logical way they arrive at denoting MS/PR.
2nd edition by Coin World. It is listed under "Pioneer Cold" and describes these pieces as being made by
a Birmingham die sinker named William Joseph Taylor (1802-85). Taylor's signature WJT appears on truncation of the
San Francisco Standard Mint $5 piece. All dated 1851, they are identified and numbered from P.185 to P.197.
They were minted as $2.50, $5, $10 and $20 pieces in various metals of copper, white metal, silver, but none are known
to be struck in gold.
The entry lists various auction sales for some of these coins and the prices realized. Some are listed as MS, and some
as PR.
Item P.195, an 1851 $20, in Silver is shown as "Garrett Choice Proof, $17,000. Another, item P.196, 1851 $20,
in copper, is listed in Kagin's ANA Proof-63, $1,250.
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Also, William Joseph Taylor was a medalist, as well as a die engraver for coins.
He engraved the dies for Australia's Fort Philip Kangaroo Assay Office pieces of 1853.
He also has four medals in the National Portrait Gallery.
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But I can also understand your position.
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<< <i>Here's an example of one of these coins.
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Also, William Joseph Taylor was a medalist, as well as a die engraver for coins.
He engraved the dies for Australia's Fort Philip Kangaroo Assay Office pieces of 1853.
He also has four medals in the National Portrait Gallery. >>
I just see a black page with Kagin in the upper left corner! >>
Can you see this?