Charmy's Indian Cent Error Newps!
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I bought several new Indian cent errors from Xan Chamberlain recently, and just had Todd photograph them in Boston so of course I just had to show them off! I loved the ragged clip error, but my favorite is the 1909-S Indian cent struck through because you just don't see many errors on the 1909-S. So what do ya'll think?
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Nice coins though.
The name is LEE!
Metal flow is normal and I don't see a blakesly effect.
Maybe it's just me
Great pickups.
Jim
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The 1906 is my favourite. Tiger reverse!
<< <i>Hmmm. 5 and 6 look more like an incomplete clip to me. I would expect a "die break" to be more ragged and less well defined as in the shape of a semi-circle.
Nice coins though. >>
5 and 6 are undoubtedly retained cuds. The die broke but didn't completely break off, and you can still see part of the design.
-Paul
<< <i>5 and 6 are undoubtedly retained cuds. The die broke but didn't completely break off, and you can still see part of the design. >>
Agree. They're a bit counter-intuitive to look at in 2D, with the 1863 almost having the appearance of a planchet flaw, but in hand you'd see the coin as being thicker in the offending area by the amount that the die fragment retreated from the surface of the die.
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<< <i>all look good however the 1874 doesn't look like a true clip
Metal flow is normal and I don't see a blakesly effect.
Maybe it's just me >>
I had a problem with that one also.
Perhaps it was an incomplete clip that separated after the strike. This could explain the lack of a Blakesly Effect, and the fact that the rim immediately next to the clip does not flow into the void.
I would suggest that it be sent to NGC for review.
TD
The 1874 might not show a Blakesley Efffect,
but I'm confident that Dave Camire at NGC
looked at the coin raw, and saw either a
Blakesley Effect, and/or the 'cut/tear' marks
on the inside of the clip.
The other Retained Cuds are exactly that, although
it appears to be an optical illusion that they are
'incomplete clips'....
They're a great set of coins - I helped one of my
local customers here in the Valley get Xan's
Off Center on a Dime Indian Cent that he had
listed last month on Ebay.
Congrats Charmy !
The 1874 might not show a Blakesley Efffect,
but I'm confident that Dave Camire at NGC
looked at the coin raw, and saw either a
Blakesley Effect, and/or the 'cut/tear' marks
on the inside of the clip.
The other Retained Cuds are exactly that, although
it appears to be an optical illusion that they are
'incomplete clips'....
They're a great set of coins - I helped one of my
local customers here in the Valley get Xan's
Off Center on a Dime Indian Cent that he had
listed last month on Ebay.
Congrats Charmy !
<< <i>
<< <i>all look good however the 1874 doesn't look like a true clip
Metal flow is normal and I don't see a blakesly effect.
Maybe it's just me >>
I had a problem with that one also.
Perhaps it was an incomplete clip that separated after the strike. This could explain the lack of a Blakesly Effect, and the fact that the rim immediately next to the clip does not flow into the void.
I would suggest that it be sent to NGC for review.
TD >>
I took a long hard look at that one as well. With all respect to Dave and Fred who have seen the coin in hand, the pictures left me scratching my head a bit. The lack of Blakesley didn't bother me too much since for some reason I've seen many clips in the 10-15% range which do not show it, however the lack of metal flow in the denticles on either side of the clip were worrisome. On the obverse it also looks like a thin line of metal on the edge of the clip is pushed up toward the field, which should not be there.
I rather like Tom's hypothesis of an incomplete clip which broke off after the strike, it fits in with the physical appearance of the coin and also answers the nagging question, "Why would someone deface an otherwise beautiful high grade 1874 Indian Cent?"
Let me also add that as much as I'm a fan of clips, the two retained cuds posted are awesome looking errors.
Sean Reynolds
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Mark
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<< <i>No offense intended, and you can call me strange, but I like them all except for the 1909-S. The struck through wire has more of a defaced "look" to it than the others, even though it's a legit striking error, and detracts from the fact it's a 1909-S in 64RB. I'd be more inclined to be excited about the same strike through on a 1907 or other common date and less likely to purchase a 1909-S with the same error unless I was collecting striking errors by date and mint. (Love the ragged clip, BTW.) >>
I believe the 1909-S would fit Fred Weinberg's definition of a "white elephant".
Very nice errors Charmy! I think my favorite is the "ragged clip".
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<< <i>I believe the 1909-S would fit Fred Weinberg's definition of a "white elephant". >>
Yes it's a white elephant as it's a key date...
Yet if your collecting IHC errors by date, I do not recall ever seeing a O/C 09-S
The 1874 O/C does look odd. From the images alone I would have been very wary of the coin. But as Fred put it, if Dave Camire examined it and called it O/C, then I am confident it's an off-center piece. But that raised edge (or what appears to be a raised edge) on the obverse is curious.
Lane
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Great pictures and thanks for sharing