Has anyone kept up with how many times Duffydaddy1 has ended auctions early on ebay?
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... I'm gonna say at least 20-30 times, most likely more, and most the time it's the same coin over and over agian. 
What's the point of doing this, besides annoying the heck out of serious collectors/bidders?
What's the point of doing this, besides annoying the heck out of serious collectors/bidders?
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He at least does not shill it from what your saying.
If this is the coin it is an amazing piece.
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If I had it my way, stupidity would be painful!
<< <i>He is a member here in these boards.
Yep, he is and doesn't post to much anymore. But the $1500 BIN is insane, maybe he's hoping someone drunk might hit the BIN thinking it was $150
But I've seen that coin auctioned at least 5-6 times in the last 2 years or so.
There's nothing wrong with wishful thinking, but remember wishes don't come true.
There was a 1958-D Jefferson nickel on ebay a couple of years back that had extraordinary high grade I appeal. Did someone with a registry set buy it.
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<< <i>... I'm gonna say at least 20-30 times, most likely more, and most the time it's the same coin over and over agian.
What's the point of doing this, besides annoying the heck out of serious collectors/bidders? >>
PC you need to add several zeros to these numbers!
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Or at least explain why this coin shouldn't sell for anymore than your common lustrous MS66FB material.
Leo
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<< <i>I think he prices things that high and has no intent to sell them, more so just wants to show them off? >>
Show them off, unless, of course, he can get way too much money for them.
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<< <i>I think he prices things that high and has no intent to sell them, more so just wants to show them off? >>
Show them off, unless, of course, he can get way too much money for them.
Like i always say everything is forsale for the right price
<< <i>I think he prices things that high and has no intent to sell them, more so just wants to show them off? >>
Heck, I do that! But it doesn't mean I can't come down a few thousands. I'd post an example here but it wouldn't be time well spent.
Leo
edited to put it it in a nicer way
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Now, I said years ago, in this venue, when I started the store that I was listing my coins with high BINs to generate interest and preclude sales since I wanted to keep them, using it as a gallery, and that they would always finally go on sale in a real auction at 99c start with reasonable shipping and a no questions asked return policy. I have done exactly that for many years now.
I do apologize to those of you who have bid only to have the auction ended. On the 1940s Merc in question, it was at $240 yesterday morning when I checked, and I had turned down an offer of more than three times that only last month. There were only 11 bids so I thought there wasn't much interest.
But I was going to start it again tonight even before I saw this thread. And I am going to let it run to completion. I just find it hard to believe that this market could be so bad that an extraordinary coin like this would not generate excitement. It's The One™ for Merc dimes. The images don't even approach what it looks like in hand. Stunning color and mirror-like luster.
Anyway, points taken gents, thanks for weighing in.
Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
<< <i>....Now, I said years ago, in this venue, when I started the store that I was listing my coins with high BINs to generate interest and preclude sales since I wanted to keep them, using it as a gallery, and that they would always finally go on sale in a real auction at 99c start with reasonable shipping and a no questions asked return policy. I have done exactly that for many years now..... >>
Not "exactly that", by a long shot. As has already been noted, many of the auctions have been ended early, instead of being allowed to run their course. That doesn't equate with "real auction".
<< <i>I do apologize to those of you who have bid only to have the auction ended. On the 1940s Merc in question, it was at $240 yesterday morning when I checked, and I had turned down an offer of more than three times that only last month. There were only 11 bids so I thought there wasn't much interest. >>
From eBay:
"Sellers are not permitted to cancel bids and end listings early in order to avoid selling an item that did not meet the desired sale price. This is considered to be a reserve price violation. Although there are legitimate reasons for ending a listing early, abuse of this option will be investigated."
Please understand- this is in no way an accusation of any sort. It's just a comment relating some information regarding eBay policies, as they change often enough that it's impossible for anyone to know (or keep up with) them all.
If it came with a "pat on the back" plaque award in a public forum, it would have sold. Face it, there are no real collectors here for that great of a coin.
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Many potential and interested bidders simply don't because they believe the coin will not be sold.
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Anyone here know who the fully struck collectors are with the Mercury dimes?
Leo
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<< <i>The low turn out and interest could also involve the crying wolf syndrome.
Many potential and interested bidders simply don't because they believe the coin will not be sold. >>
I agree. And as almost everyone knows, frequently, bids increase dramatically at the last minute (or last few seconds) via sniping. When an auction isn't allowed to run its course, such bids can't get entered, so there is no way to know how high the bidding would have gone.
I knew it would happen.
<< <i>Does ebay allow bidders to pull their bids the same way that sellers can end their auctions early? It seems to me that the same rules should apply to both sellers and buyers. >>
Ebay's policy on ending listings early
"In some cases, you might find that you need to end a listing early. For example, you might discover that the item you are selling doesn’t work or is missing a part.
Before ending a listing:
Make sure than you have a valid reason for ending the listing.
Check that you meet the requirements for ending the listing. If there are 12 hours or less before the end of the listing, restrictions apply.
Reasons for ending a listing early
When you end a listing early or make other last-minute changes, buyers may feel disappointed. However, sometimes there is a valid reason why you need to end a listing early.
Reason
What to do
The item is lost, broken, or otherwise no longer available for sale.
As soon as you notice a problem, try to end the listing.
You made a mistake when entering the listing, starting price, or reserve amount.
Consider changing the listing or adding to the item’s description, rather than ending it. Learn more the requirements and steps for changing a listing.
If this doesn’t work, try to end the listing.
Requirements
Your ability to end a listing early depends on the amount of time remaining in the listing and whether the listing has received any bids.
If there are 12 hours or more before the end of the listing, you can end the listing early without restrictions. If there are any bids on your item when you end the listing, you’ll be asked whether you want to cancel the bids or sell the item to the high bidder.
If there are 12 hours or less before the end of the listing, your ability to end the listing early depends on whether there are any bids on the item and whether the item has a reserve price.
Number of bids on the item
Can the listing be ended early?
No bids, including no canceled bids
Yes, as long as there aren't any cancelled bids.
One or more bids
Yes, but you must sell the item to the high bidder.
One or more bids, but the item’s reserve price wasn’t met
No"
Ebay's policy on bid retractions:
"Allowed
It's only OK to retract a bid if:
You accidentally enter the wrong amount, like entering $99.50 instead of $9.95. If you do, you need to enter the correct bid right away.
The item description changed a lot after you placed your bid. For example, the seller updated information about the item's features or condition.
You can't reach the seller. For example, you sent the seller an email and it comes back undeliverable, or you tried calling the seller and the phone number doesn't work.
Not allowed
Examples of when you can't retract a bid:
You changed your mind about buying the item.
You wanted to find out the reserve price.
You wanted to find out how high another buyer bid on an item.
You only wanted one item but placed bids on multiple identical items. You should only bid on multiple items if you intend to buy all of them."
Ebay isn't what it set out to be, nor what it was in the beginning.
I knew it would happen.
<< <i>Thanks for making my point, Mark. In all fairness, a bidder should be able to retract a bid any time prior to 12 hours before the end of the auction. If it's a game of "chicken" the game should be played in both directions. But, it's not. >>
You're welcome, even if it was Ebay, not I, who made your point.
in this case it is rampant abuse of the loophole
what go's around , comes around ......... bidders would not be reprimanded if they were to place huge bids ...and then retract them
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<< <i>The low turn out and interest could also involve the crying wolf syndrome.
Many potential and interested bidders simply don't because they believe the coin will not be sold. >>
That's exactly why I don't bid on his auctions. He had a 1967 Canadian Quarter that was listed as a BIN forever. Finally, it was offered as a No Reserve Auction. I set up the snipe, only to see the auction disappear. Next time (or times, I'm not sure) it came up for auction, I stayed away.
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Most of the highest bids come in the last 10 seconds of an auction, but you have listed and pulled so many auctions that I'm sure you will now have less interest because people believe the auction will never end.
you would end your auctions early too !
<< <i>... I do apologize to those of you who have bid only to have the auction ended. On the 1940s Merc in question, it was at $240 yesterday morning when I checked, and I had turned down an offer of more than three times that only last month. There were only 11 bids so I thought there wasn't much interest. ... >>
You don't have watch very many eBay auctions to see that most of the bidding takes place in the last minute. Early auction bidding means nothing.
Duffydaddy1 thought by ending the auction early he was saving himself money. Not only did he miss out on all the last minute snipe bidding, but he has now drove bidders away from his auctions who don't want to waste their time with sellers who end their auctions early.
A good example of "How Not to Auction Coins on eBay".
I hate when that happens ..........it kind of screws the seller over
<< <i>Hey, I resemble these remarks.
Now, I said years ago, in this venue, when I started the store that I was listing my coins with high BINs to generate interest and preclude sales since I wanted to keep them, using it as a gallery, and that they would always finally go on sale in a real auction at 99c start with reasonable shipping and a no questions asked return policy. I have done exactly that for many years now.
I do apologize to those of you who have bid only to have the auction ended. On the 1940s Merc in question, it was at $240 yesterday morning when I checked, and I had turned down an offer of more than three times that only last month. There were only 11 bids so I thought there wasn't much interest.
But I was going to start it again tonight even before I saw this thread. And I am going to let it run to completion. I just find it hard to believe that this market could be so bad that an extraordinary coin like this would not generate excitement. It's The One™ for Merc dimes. The images don't even approach what it looks like in hand. Stunning color and mirror-like luster.
Anyway, points taken gents, thanks for weighing in. >>
You resemble these remarks? I am not even sure what that means, what I am sure of is that you are 100% full of it. Its one thing to list your coins with high buy it nows but its a completly different story to continue to auction coins and pull them because they do not meet the price you are looking for. Not only do you continue to waste other peoples time buy pulling your so called auctions but its a clear violation of ebay policy. You say you are trying to generate interest? Pulling auctions for years does not generate interest in your coins it simply pushes buyers away. You have not ran a completed auction in god knows how long. If you want to generate interest in your coins simply open a website, we all know you have paid enough in fees for relisting and pulling coins to pay for one ten times over. Stop wasting peoples time and trying to make excuses for it. How about we all go and buy all your coins for the next 5 years and simply never pay for them so you have to relist them every week, then maybe you can see how much of other peoples time you are wasting. I for one think you should be booted from ebay for your shenanagins and I dont think it would be a horrible idea to see you booted from here as well.
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1) At the end of the day it's Ebay's job to police their own playground
2) It's D Diddies coins, he really can do what he wants
3) It's everybodies elses time and money to spend as they see fit. Choose wisely
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<< <i> You resemble these remarks? I am not even sure what that means... >>
In Pharmer's defense (and I realize such an act puts me on a slippery slope!), I think his use of that phrase may be a comedic tool that is a holdover from the old days when this forum was less restrictive and folks were allowed to make good natured fun of one another. Many of those folks have abdicated to the open forum refuge or gotten themselves booted and relative newbs are unfamiliar with the how and why these gross mispellings were once entrenched in the PCGS forums lexicon.
It is akin to using such words as smoe (some), and maroon (moron).
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when members here tried to expose coin doctoring and enlighten those as to the scope of the problem ,
he was first in line in attempting to discredit those of us that were trying to blow the whistle , as was he the loudest
in claiming the problem was being totally exaggerated and blown out of proportion .
............today things are very different
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"This auction will run to completion on Sunday, August 29."
The above is from the current auction that is on Ebay.
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