<< <i>The full story of these medals is quite a bit different than that presented in standard references. I hope to have an article ready this summer. >>
I have 2 but no pictures. One is raw and probably cleaned, the other in an old ANACS small holder graded MS-61. Being a classic commem collector I subscribe to the old school of thought that the Norse Medal is the 51st commem. Always wanted them in PCGS plastic but haven't gotten there yet.
Ron
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The article will cover the medal from beginning to distribution, including straightening out confusion about the gold pieces and sandblast silver, and thick vs thin. The medal project was significantly impeded by Mint Director Grant’s duplicity and conflicting information given to congressman Kvale.
RWB---Where will your article be published? Looking forward to reading it.
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The article is not finished. I hope to have it done by July, but much depends on getting the time from work to do the remaining research. (My research schedule would likely drive most editors batty!)
It will be submitted to Coin World and possibly other hobby publications.
I have a real soft spot for the Norse American medal.
I'm not sure why, I usually don't take to medals all that much, but this one just seems to sing my siren song. I only have one, a thick planchette, but keep looking for more. Just need to pull the trigger when the going is good.
It is one of my favorite US issues. I was initially attracted to it because of my Norse heritage. I love the depiction of the viking striding ashore and the viking ship on the reverse is outstanding. It really depicts the viking "image" well.
I have one of the "Thin" versions in an ANACS MS62 slab. Sorry, no photos
I don't care for it as I don't think pillaging should be commemorated
That's the type of statement which judges past human progress accomplishments in the light of today's political correctness, and it does an injustice to the Norsemen and Norse Heritage regardless of any pillaging that happened 1000 years ago. Did a caveman unjustly smack a female with a club and take her as his property? Yeah, probably. Let's never have a caveman medal either.
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<< <i>I don't care for it as I don't think pillaging should be commemorated
That's the type of statement which judges past human progress accomplishments in the light of today's political correctness, and it does an injustice to the Norsemen and Norse Heritage regardless of any pillaging that happened 1000 years ago. Did a caveman unjustly smack a female with a club and take her as his property? Yeah, probably. Let's never have a caveman medal either. >>
So, would you approve of Germany having a set of coins commemorating their Nazi history?
The point being, clearly there's a line -- we can debate where to draw that line, but to suggest that we shouldn't judge past "human progress accomplishments" is a ridiculous position when it comes to conquest, murder, genocide, and (at least for some) pillaging, IMO....MIke
Collector of Large Cents, US Type, and modern pocket change.
RTS, you've made a similar remark before, and as much as I love your Large Cent collection and your knowledge of Large Cents, I think that you should consider more than such a narrow view. We all have to make progress one step at a time, eh?
Q: Are You Printing Money? Bernanke: Not Literally
RTS, you've made a similar remark before, and as much as I love your Large Cent collection and your knowledge of Large Cents, I think that you should consider more than such a narrow view. We all have to make progress one step at a time, eh?
to suggest that we shouldn't judge past "human progress accomplishments" is a ridiculous position when it comes to conquest, murder, genocide, and (at least for some) pillaging, IMO....MIke
Mike, I note that Norway has not done anything of the sort for 1,000 years. I would consider the Norwegians to be a fair example of social progress, although I don't agree with their current socialist approach to society. Do you feel that there should be reparations paid by the Norwegians because of their Viking history? Tell me what's ridiculous. What, exactly would you consider progress then?
So, would you approve of Germany having a set of coins commemorating their Nazi history?
Mike, what kind of question is that? I'd have more respect for the question if it weren't so incendiary. To answer your question, "those who do not recall the past are likely to repeat it". The answer is no. Nor would I try to erase or deny any of the horrible things that they did. By the same token, not all of the Germans were evil, and not all of the innovations made by the Germans during WWI and WW2 were heinous.
Q: Are You Printing Money? Bernanke: Not Literally
<< <i>Always been one of my favorite designs in commemoratives/metals. Even worn, these are cool looking.
>>
That one seems thinner than usual........
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<< <i>As for the topic at hand, I've always liked the Norse medals. However, I never understood why the obverse Norseman has breasts. >>
It's the lutefisk......
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<< <i>Sorry Keets, I'll get off it after this comment.
to suggest that we shouldn't judge past "human progress accomplishments" is a ridiculous position when it comes to conquest, murder, genocide, and (at least for some) pillaging, IMO....MIke
Mike, I note that Norway has not done anything of the sort for 1,000 years. I would consider the Norwegians to be a fair example of social progress, although I don't agree with their current socialist approach to society. Do you feel that there should be reparations paid by the Norwegians because of their Viking history? Tell me what's ridiculous. What, exactly would you consider progress then? >>
Of course they're a fair example of social progress. Just like the Germans since WW2, or the post-colonial English. The point is not if they've progressed or not, but rather what the subject of a commemorative coin should or should not be.
<< <i>So, would you approve of Germany having a set of coins commemorating their Nazi history?
Mike, what kind of question is that? I'd have more respect for the question if it weren't so incendiary. To answer your question, "those who do not recall the past are likely to repeat it". The answer is no. Nor would I try to erase or deny any of the horrible things that they did. By the same token, not all of the Germans were evil, and not all of the innovations made by the Germans during WWI and WW2 were heinous. >>
I thought my point was rather clear the first time, and I apologize if it was not -- it's a question to get the reader to recognize there's a line that should probably not be crossed when it comes to commemorating our past. Nobody is suggesting all Germans are bad (just like nobody suggesting all Norsemen were bad), nor to minimize the innovations made by Germany during the world wars of the 20th century, but rather if a warrior (Norsemen or Nazi) is an appropriate subject to memorialize a people.
If you would like to discuss this further, please PM me as to not burden this thread with our discussion.
Take care...Mike
Collector of Large Cents, US Type, and modern pocket change.
<< <i>As for the topic at hand, I've always liked the Norse medals. However, I never understood why the obverse Norseman has breasts. >>
The v0yages were long and there were no women on board and...................
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There was a display of Norse Medals at the Money Show in Kansas City in 2005 that was very interesting. Included were several nice pocketpieces. I have a pocketpiece and a holed one of the thick variety.
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Thank you to CRO for this one! Thin planchet.
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The full story of these medals is quite a bit different than that presented in standard references. I hope to have an article ready this summer.
<< <i>The full story of these medals is quite a bit different than that presented in standard references. I hope to have an article ready this summer. >>
Always been one of my favorite designs in commemoratives/metals. Even worn, these are cool looking.
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The article will cover the medal from beginning to distribution, including straightening out confusion about the gold pieces and sandblast silver, and thick vs thin. The medal project was significantly impeded by Mint Director Grant’s duplicity and conflicting information given to congressman Kvale.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
It will be submitted to Coin World and possibly other hobby publications.
I'm not sure why, I usually don't take to medals all that much, but this one just seems to sing my siren song.
I only have one, a thick planchette, but keep looking for more. Just need to pull the trigger when the going is good.
they are mentioned as part of a commem set,
but there is some controversy with that,
what do you think?
I have one of the "Thin" versions in an ANACS MS62 slab. Sorry, no photos
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<< <i>I don't care for it as I don't think pillaging should be commemorated. >>
Hey, we commemorated that Indian school crossing guard on the Oregon Commem, why not commemorate rape, pillage and plunder?
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edited to add that I can't wait for Roger's article!
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That's the type of statement which judges past human progress accomplishments in the light of today's political correctness, and it does an injustice to the Norsemen and Norse Heritage regardless of any pillaging that happened 1000 years ago. Did a caveman unjustly smack a female with a club and take her as his property? Yeah, probably. Let's never have a caveman medal either.
I knew it would happen.
Bummer...
<< <i>I don't care for it as I don't think pillaging should be commemorated
That's the type of statement which judges past human progress accomplishments in the light of today's political correctness, and it does an injustice to the Norsemen and Norse Heritage regardless of any pillaging that happened 1000 years ago. Did a caveman unjustly smack a female with a club and take her as his property? Yeah, probably. Let's never have a caveman medal either. >>
So, would you approve of Germany having a set of coins commemorating their Nazi history?
The point being, clearly there's a line -- we can debate where to draw that line, but to suggest that we shouldn't judge past "human progress accomplishments" is a ridiculous position when it comes to conquest, murder, genocide, and (at least for some) pillaging, IMO....MIke
I knew it would happen.
Fair enough.
to suggest that we shouldn't judge past "human progress accomplishments" is a ridiculous position when it comes to conquest, murder, genocide, and (at least for some) pillaging, IMO....MIke
Mike, I note that Norway has not done anything of the sort for 1,000 years. I would consider the Norwegians to be a fair example of social progress, although I don't agree with their current socialist approach to society. Do you feel that there should be reparations paid by the Norwegians because of their Viking history? Tell me what's ridiculous. What, exactly would you consider progress then?
So, would you approve of Germany having a set of coins commemorating their Nazi history?
Mike, what kind of question is that? I'd have more respect for the question if it weren't so incendiary. To answer your question, "those who do not recall the past are likely to repeat it". The answer is no. Nor would I try to erase or deny any of the horrible things that they did. By the same token, not all of the Germans were evil, and not all of the innovations made by the Germans during WWI and WW2 were heinous.
I knew it would happen.
I knew it would happen.
<< <i> Let's never have a caveman medal either
Bummer...
But, it would be so easy, even a........ oh forget it!
<< <i>Always been one of my favorite designs in commemoratives/metals. Even worn, these are cool looking.
That one seems thinner than usual........
<< <i>As for the topic at hand, I've always liked the Norse medals. However, I never understood why the obverse Norseman has breasts.
It's the lutefisk......
<< <i>Sorry Keets, I'll get off it after this comment.
to suggest that we shouldn't judge past "human progress accomplishments" is a ridiculous position when it comes to conquest, murder, genocide, and (at least for some) pillaging, IMO....MIke
Mike, I note that Norway has not done anything of the sort for 1,000 years. I would consider the Norwegians to be a fair example of social progress, although I don't agree with their current socialist approach to society. Do you feel that there should be reparations paid by the Norwegians because of their Viking history? Tell me what's ridiculous. What, exactly would you consider progress then? >>
Of course they're a fair example of social progress. Just like the Germans since WW2, or the post-colonial English. The point is not if they've progressed or not, but rather what the subject of a commemorative coin should or should not be.
<< <i>So, would you approve of Germany having a set of coins commemorating their Nazi history?
Mike, what kind of question is that? I'd have more respect for the question if it weren't so incendiary. To answer your question, "those who do not recall the past are likely to repeat it". The answer is no. Nor would I try to erase or deny any of the horrible things that they did. By the same token, not all of the Germans were evil, and not all of the innovations made by the Germans during WWI and WW2 were heinous. >>
I thought my point was rather clear the first time, and I apologize if it was not -- it's a question to get the reader to recognize there's a line that should probably not be crossed when it comes to commemorating our past. Nobody is suggesting all Germans are bad (just like nobody suggesting all Norsemen were bad), nor to minimize the innovations made by Germany during the world wars of the 20th century, but rather if a warrior (Norsemen or Nazi) is an appropriate subject to memorialize a people.
If you would like to discuss this further, please PM me as to not burden this thread with our discussion.
Take care...Mike
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Cool coin!
<< <i>As for the topic at hand, I've always liked the Norse medals. However, I never understood why the obverse Norseman has breasts. >>
The v0yages were long and there were no women on board and...................
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
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<< <i>Always been one of my favorite designs in commemoratives/metals. Even worn, these are cool looking.
That one seems thinner than usual........
Wow! I wonder if a totally smooth one would grade Poor 1...are there any other medals this shape?
Anyone have (photos) of a gold one?
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Well there goes the presidential dollar and medal series.
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I just had a 71mm bronze Norse American medal graded by NGC at MS-62. I will post the photo as soon as I can figure out how to do it.
Does anyone have any information on this piece?
PCGS MS63 Thick