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ctf_error_coinsctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭
nothing to see here, move on

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    coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭
    I think his tone was considerably nicer than yours. I'd allow the return and move on.
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    cmerlo1cmerlo1 Posts: 8,060 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Contact eBay for the fee reversal and let it go...

    Edited to add:

    Please tell us the eBay handle- I want to block him.
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    ctf_error_coinsctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭
    he used the term "feedback war"

    ever here of personal responsibility
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    lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,895 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Of course you are in the right but I am surprised the guy wasn't put off more by your blunt reply. It was too much of a lecture, IMO.

    I am also surprised he didn't say "sorry...bye" and instead offered some compensation.

    As a seller you know you are at a buyer's mercy. You can't make the guy pay for a win and you can't leave feedback to show he's unreliable. Sucks. Take what you can get, if anything. And block him for the future.
    Lance.
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    sinin1sinin1 Posts: 7,500
    I would not have sent your first message

    a buyer with privaye feedback can't be good
    did you check them on toolhaus?


    buyers now have the power - just bend over
    and file for fee refund with auction cancellation
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    Steve27Steve27 Posts: 13,284 ✭✭✭
    Just cancel the sale and move on; you're in a no win situation otherwise.
    "It's far easier to fight for principles, than to live up to them." Adlai Stevenson
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    ctf_error_coinsctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭
    My last name is Frank, and I always have talked quite frankly. lol

    I know there is not a lot I can do, but I just thought this guy was lame and the feedback flame war thing set me off.

    I actually wanted to give the guy a lecture on how to be a parent but thought that would go too far ....lol
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    SwampboySwampboy Posts: 13,243 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Your reply was overlong.
    A yes or no would have moved the situation towards resolution.
    (I do understand your frustration)

    You cannot make a dead beat see reason.
    That is a lesson you should take a way from this listing and move on IMHO EOC.

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    coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭


    << <i>he used the term "feedback war"

    ever here of personal responsibility >>

    I'll let you decide for yourself, whether you think I have ever heard of personal responsibility.

    His initial message, which made no mention of a "feedback war", was quite polite. Yours, on the other hand, was not. You were the one who escalated the situation.

    You solicited feedback from posters here - if you only wanted to hear from those who sided with your views, perhaps you should have included that condition in your opening post.
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    frnklnlvrfrnklnlvr Posts: 2,750
    I'd cancel and block the bidder. You can always do a 2nd chance offer to the underbidder.
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    ConnecticoinConnecticoin Posts: 13,275 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Good god, people make mistakes. I'd let him off the hook and re-list. So you are out a whopping 10 or 20 cents listing fee, horrors!
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    lcoopielcoopie Posts: 8,875 ✭✭✭✭✭
    maybe it's not as fair place to sell coins as you thought,

    I agree with Mark
    LCoopie = Les
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    It does come across kind of strong, and if I got that message I'd probably not want to deal with you anymore either. Save the strong message for later in the conversation if it becomes a tougher issue, and just politely refund/cancel the sale. He doesn't want to go through with the purchase, so let him off the hook.
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    derrybderryb Posts: 38,584 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Apologize for your initial response and initiate cancellation from here:

    Cancel form, initiated by seller

    Buyer was polite, you shoud be also.

    Government is the great fiction through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else. - Bastiat

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    mrpotatoheaddmrpotatoheadd Posts: 7,576 ✭✭✭


    << <i>His initial message, which made no mention of a "feedback war", was quite polite. Yours, on the other hand, was not. You were the one who escalated the situation. >>

    I would agree. Your initial response sounded somewhat like a parent scolding a child, so I'm not surprised the buyer might get the idea that there might be trouble ahead. Of course bidders should pay for their wins, but it doesn't always work out that way in real life. Bottom line- you can't make him pay if he chooses not to and as far as "feedback wars" go, you're more at risk than he is. If you tell him that you'll let him out of the deal and file for a FVF refund, what does that cost you other than the listing fee? IMO, best to just let it go.
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    BBNBBN Posts: 3,761 ✭✭✭
    I'd let him off the hook. It sounds to me like the son used the dad's account to bid on something without his dad's permission. Not the account holder's fault in this case.

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    BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,790 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Do you have a return policy?
    Would you rather cancel a sale before shipping and keep someone happy or would you rather complete the sale then take a return?

    It's really that easy.

    If I received a response like you gave, it would reflect poorly on you, in my eyes. If pushed, because of your response, I might take the item, return it, and nail your ratings due to that response.
    Would you want to take a chance this guy would do that?

    I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment

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    chumleychumley Posts: 2,305 ✭✭✭✭
    shouldn't be hard to figure out where the kid got his sense of responsibility,or lack thereof.I.m new here,but it seems some of you nip ungently...I'm gonna go put my thicker skin onimage
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    garrynotgarrynot Posts: 1,874 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I'd cancel and block the bidder. You can always do a 2nd chance offer to the underbidder. >>




    Definitely, it would be a pleasant surprise to the under bidder and you might have a return customer out of it. Its a win win for you. Give it to the under bidder while he/ she is still interested in it. You can't let every bozo bother you. Life is too short.
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    291fifth291fifth Posts: 25,205 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Cancel the sale and move on.
    All glory is fleeting.
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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,576 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I'd let him off the hook. It sounds to me like the son used the dad's account to bid on something without his dad's permission. Not the account holder's fault in this case. >>



    Disagree. The dad must have given his son his password so the dad is ultimately responsible.

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    dohdoh Posts: 6,457 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I think his tone was considerably nicer than yours. I'd allow the return and move on. >>


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    What was the value of the item? I checked your listings and it doesnt look like it was some 600.00 dollar item. If this is a 20 or 30 dollar item I would save the trouble and simply cancle the auction. If this was some rare item worth thousands then yeah I might be a bit upset but on a 20 or 30 dollar item I would really save the trouble. In all honesty after your first message to the buyer your lucky you didnt already get a big neg.
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    ctf_error_coinsctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>I'd let him off the hook. It sounds to me like the son used the dad's account to bid on something without his dad's permission. Not the account holder's fault in this case. >>



    Disagree. The dad must have given his son his password so the dad is ultimately responsible. >>



    Wow, someone gets it, Thank you.

    ......................

    Yes I may have been blunt in my message,

    But the facts are the the buyer has private feedback, is trying to back out of a binding contract, and has threatened a " feedback flame war " and many of you side with the buyer, wow that is too funny.

    Enjoy your day all image
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    19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,503 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>he used the term "feedback war"

    ever here of personal responsibility >>

    He would have never used that term if you would have simply let the auction get cancelled withut quoting a bunch of "binding contract" baloney.

    The agenda of "forcing" folks to do this or that simply because it's eBay can be a seller's worst enemy.

    Let him out of the auction and agree to not complete the transaction. Your FVF will be refunded but you'll probably have to eat the .10 listing fee!

    Sorry about that!
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    coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭


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    << <i>I'd let him off the hook. It sounds to me like the son used the dad's account to bid on something without his dad's permission. Not the account holder's fault in this case. >>



    Disagree. The dad must have given his son his password so the dad is ultimately responsible. >>



    Wow, someone gets it, Thank you.

    ......................

    Yes I may have been blunt in my message,

    But the facts are the the buyer has private feedback, is trying to back out of a binding contract, and has threatened a " feedback flame war " and many of you side with the buyer, wow that is too funny.

    Enjoy your day all image >>



    Believe it or not, many of us "get it". But still disagree with the way you (mis)handled the situation, and, based on the circumstances, believe it best to move on.
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    mrpotatoheaddmrpotatoheadd Posts: 7,576 ✭✭✭


    << <i>But the facts are the the buyer has private feedback, is trying to back out of a binding contract, and has threatened a " feedback flame war " >>

    The first two appear to be facts, but I disagree with the third claim- I don't see where a "feedback flame war" threat was made. It sounds like you'd already made up your mind that this was going to be a confrontation, and just read that into his reply.

    Just so we're clear- I'm not siding with the buyer at all. He should pay you, but you can't make him pay if he decides not to. I know it sucks, but that's the way it is- you can either accept the fact, let the guy out of the deal and get on with your life or continue to argue with him about something you can't really do anything about.
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    deviousdevious Posts: 1,690
    Handle the situation firmly and promptly and know that you are on the losing end no matter what and at the buyer's request, it's best to cancel the transaction. At least he notified you instead of letting it dwindle. I've dealt with many and I've been only let down by those who do not inform me. It seems that you may need to redesign your business tactics for a more friendly approach. You are neither a lecturer nor a parental guidance teacher. You are an ebay seller. Chalk it up and move on.
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    crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 14,229 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Just let him off the hook and move on with your life, maybe he's telling the truth. You are at the mercy of this buyer whether you know it or not and well probably get a " not very nice feedback ", the choice is yours.....
    The bitterness of "Poor Quality" is remembered long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten.
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    BlindedByEgoBlindedByEgo Posts: 10,754 ✭✭✭✭✭
    In the last 30 years, my wife has often had to say to me, "You know, you can be SO right, that you're DEAD right".

    The point I'm trying to make is that you are totally and completely in the right in this situation. You did nothing wrong, and the dad is either lying, or should have (how I hate the word "should") controlled his kid better.

    Further, if I were pissed off, I might have responded in the very direct manner you used. But at the end of the day, it is easier, simpler and best thing to just let this stuff go. Release him from the obligation with a "this stinks but stuff happens" sort of message.

    You have little recourse except to file an NPB with eBay. I've had potential buyers ask me to open these to release them from auctions. It's no big deal.
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    ctf_error_coinsctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>In the last 30 years, my wife has often had to say to me, "You know, you can be SO right, that you're DEAD right".

    The point I'm trying to make is that you are totally and completely in the right in this situation. You did nothing wrong, and the dad is either lying, or should have (how I hate the word "should") controlled his kid better.

    Further, if I were pissed off, I might have responded in the very direct manner you used. But at the end of the day, it is easier, simpler and best thing to just let this stuff go. Release him from the obligation with a "this stinks but stuff happens" sort of message.

    You have little recourse except to file an NPB with eBay. I've had potential buyers ask me to open these to release them from auctions. It's no big deal. >>



    Exactly, been married 20 years with 2 kids, my fear is that if I file a NPB claim to get my fee back, then he would neg me, that is what this thread was about. I know i could get the neg removed but that is a hassle.

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    HotfootspinHotfootspin Posts: 430 ✭✭


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    But the facts are the the buyer has private feedback, is trying to back out of a binding contract, and has threatened a " feedback flame war " and many of you side with the buyer, wow that is too funny.
    >>



    No, actually, all those who you see as siding "with the buyer" are actually siding with you.
    They are telling you how to avoid a potentially bad situation. And you are blowing off all
    these people who are trying to help you.

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    Discover all unpredictable errors before they occur.
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    ConnecticoinConnecticoin Posts: 13,275 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>I'd let him off the hook. It sounds to me like the son used the dad's account to bid on something without his dad's permission. Not the account holder's fault in this case. >>



    Disagree. The dad must have given his son his password so the dad is ultimately responsible. >>



    Wow, someone gets it, Thank you.

    ......................

    Yes I may have been blunt in my message,

    But the facts are the the buyer has private feedback, is trying to back out of a binding contract, and has threatened a " feedback flame war " and many of you side with the buyer, wow that is too funny.

    Enjoy your day all image >>



    Believe it or not, many of us "get it". But still disagree with the way you (mis)handled the situation, and, based on the circumstances, believe it best to move on. >>



    It baffles me when folks ask for "advice" and then totally ignore it if it does not confirm their point of view. But hey, whatever makes 'ya feel better!

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    mrpotatoheaddmrpotatoheadd Posts: 7,576 ✭✭✭


    << <i>my fear is that if I file a NPB claim to get my fee back, then he would neg me, that is what this thread was about. I know i could get the neg removed but that is a hassle. >>

    You can file a "mutual agreement to cancel" and get your fees back. You don't get to stick the buyer with a NPB ding, but then again, he's got no reason to be upset and would most likely just leave no feedback at all.
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    OPAOPA Posts: 17,162 ✭✭✭✭✭
    When I receive a request to void or cancel an auction for an eBay auction...I don't hesitate to cancel it. Your FVF are automatically refunded and if the item is relisted & sells, so are your original listing fees. In about 70% of the time, the item sells for a higher price the second time around. No hassles and no hard feelings.
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    << <i>Just cancel the sale and move on; you're in a no win situation otherwise. >>



    +1
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    DennisHDennisH Posts: 14,040 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I think his tone was considerably nicer than yours. I'd allow the return and move on. >>

    I agree. There's nothing to be gained here except knowing that you're right -- which you most certainly are. But the process of trying to make the other guy agree that you're right carries way too much potential of getting messy and ultimately not being worth it. If you had a return policy for the auction anyway, simply consider that the coin got returned before you went through the hassle of mailing it. You're way better off in the long run.
    When in doubt, don't.

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