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nothing to see here, move on
thank you all for the advice
thank you all for the advice
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Please tell us the eBay handle- I want to block him.
ever here of personal responsibility
I am also surprised he didn't say "sorry...bye" and instead offered some compensation.
As a seller you know you are at a buyer's mercy. You can't make the guy pay for a win and you can't leave feedback to show he's unreliable. Sucks. Take what you can get, if anything. And block him for the future.
Lance.
a buyer with privaye feedback can't be good
did you check them on toolhaus?
buyers now have the power - just bend over
and file for fee refund with auction cancellation
I know there is not a lot I can do, but I just thought this guy was lame and the feedback flame war thing set me off.
I actually wanted to give the guy a lecture on how to be a parent but thought that would go too far ....lol
A yes or no would have moved the situation towards resolution.
(I do understand your frustration)
You cannot make a dead beat see reason.
That is a lesson you should take a way from this listing and move on IMHO EOC.
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<< <i>he used the term "feedback war"
ever here of personal responsibility >>
I'll let you decide for yourself, whether you think I have ever heard of personal responsibility.
His initial message, which made no mention of a "feedback war", was quite polite. Yours, on the other hand, was not. You were the one who escalated the situation.
You solicited feedback from posters here - if you only wanted to hear from those who sided with your views, perhaps you should have included that condition in your opening post.
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I agree with Mark
It does come across kind of strong, and if I got that message I'd probably not want to deal with you anymore either. Save the strong message for later in the conversation if it becomes a tougher issue, and just politely refund/cancel the sale. He doesn't want to go through with the purchase, so let him off the hook.
Cancel form, initiated by seller
Buyer was polite, you shoud be also.
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<< <i>His initial message, which made no mention of a "feedback war", was quite polite. Yours, on the other hand, was not. You were the one who escalated the situation. >>
I would agree. Your initial response sounded somewhat like a parent scolding a child, so I'm not surprised the buyer might get the idea that there might be trouble ahead. Of course bidders should pay for their wins, but it doesn't always work out that way in real life. Bottom line- you can't make him pay if he chooses not to and as far as "feedback wars" go, you're more at risk than he is. If you tell him that you'll let him out of the deal and file for a FVF refund, what does that cost you other than the listing fee? IMO, best to just let it go.
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Would you rather cancel a sale before shipping and keep someone happy or would you rather complete the sale then take a return?
It's really that easy.
If I received a response like you gave, it would reflect poorly on you, in my eyes. If pushed, because of your response, I might take the item, return it, and nail your ratings due to that response.
Would you want to take a chance this guy would do that?
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
<< <i>I'd cancel and block the bidder. You can always do a 2nd chance offer to the underbidder. >>
Definitely, it would be a pleasant surprise to the under bidder and you might have a return customer out of it. Its a win win for you. Give it to the under bidder while he/ she is still interested in it. You can't let every bozo bother you. Life is too short.
<< <i>I'd let him off the hook. It sounds to me like the son used the dad's account to bid on something without his dad's permission. Not the account holder's fault in this case. >>
Disagree. The dad must have given his son his password so the dad is ultimately responsible.
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<< <i>I think his tone was considerably nicer than yours. I'd allow the return and move on. >>
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<< <i>I'd let him off the hook. It sounds to me like the son used the dad's account to bid on something without his dad's permission. Not the account holder's fault in this case. >>
Disagree. The dad must have given his son his password so the dad is ultimately responsible. >>
Wow, someone gets it, Thank you.
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Yes I may have been blunt in my message,
But the facts are the the buyer has private feedback, is trying to back out of a binding contract, and has threatened a " feedback flame war " and many of you side with the buyer, wow that is too funny.
Enjoy your day all
<< <i>he used the term "feedback war"
ever here of personal responsibility >>
He would have never used that term if you would have simply let the auction get cancelled withut quoting a bunch of "binding contract" baloney.
The agenda of "forcing" folks to do this or that simply because it's eBay can be a seller's worst enemy.
Let him out of the auction and agree to not complete the transaction. Your FVF will be refunded but you'll probably have to eat the .10 listing fee!
Sorry about that!
The name is LEE!
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<< <i>I'd let him off the hook. It sounds to me like the son used the dad's account to bid on something without his dad's permission. Not the account holder's fault in this case. >>
Disagree. The dad must have given his son his password so the dad is ultimately responsible. >>
Wow, someone gets it, Thank you.
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Yes I may have been blunt in my message,
But the facts are the the buyer has private feedback, is trying to back out of a binding contract, and has threatened a " feedback flame war " and many of you side with the buyer, wow that is too funny.
Enjoy your day all
Believe it or not, many of us "get it". But still disagree with the way you (mis)handled the situation, and, based on the circumstances, believe it best to move on.
<< <i>But the facts are the the buyer has private feedback, is trying to back out of a binding contract, and has threatened a " feedback flame war " >>
The first two appear to be facts, but I disagree with the third claim- I don't see where a "feedback flame war" threat was made. It sounds like you'd already made up your mind that this was going to be a confrontation, and just read that into his reply.
Just so we're clear- I'm not siding with the buyer at all. He should pay you, but you can't make him pay if he decides not to. I know it sucks, but that's the way it is- you can either accept the fact, let the guy out of the deal and get on with your life or continue to argue with him about something you can't really do anything about.
The point I'm trying to make is that you are totally and completely in the right in this situation. You did nothing wrong, and the dad is either lying, or should have (how I hate the word "should") controlled his kid better.
Further, if I were pissed off, I might have responded in the very direct manner you used. But at the end of the day, it is easier, simpler and best thing to just let this stuff go. Release him from the obligation with a "this stinks but stuff happens" sort of message.
You have little recourse except to file an NPB with eBay. I've had potential buyers ask me to open these to release them from auctions. It's no big deal.
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<< <i>In the last 30 years, my wife has often had to say to me, "You know, you can be SO right, that you're DEAD right".
The point I'm trying to make is that you are totally and completely in the right in this situation. You did nothing wrong, and the dad is either lying, or should have (how I hate the word "should") controlled his kid better.
Further, if I were pissed off, I might have responded in the very direct manner you used. But at the end of the day, it is easier, simpler and best thing to just let this stuff go. Release him from the obligation with a "this stinks but stuff happens" sort of message.
You have little recourse except to file an NPB with eBay. I've had potential buyers ask me to open these to release them from auctions. It's no big deal. >>
Exactly, been married 20 years with 2 kids, my fear is that if I file a NPB claim to get my fee back, then he would neg me, that is what this thread was about. I know i could get the neg removed but that is a hassle.
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But the facts are the the buyer has private feedback, is trying to back out of a binding contract, and has threatened a " feedback flame war " and many of you side with the buyer, wow that is too funny.
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No, actually, all those who you see as siding "with the buyer" are actually siding with you.
They are telling you how to avoid a potentially bad situation. And you are blowing off all
these people who are trying to help you.
Mark
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<< <i>I'd let him off the hook. It sounds to me like the son used the dad's account to bid on something without his dad's permission. Not the account holder's fault in this case. >>
Disagree. The dad must have given his son his password so the dad is ultimately responsible. >>
Wow, someone gets it, Thank you.
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Yes I may have been blunt in my message,
But the facts are the the buyer has private feedback, is trying to back out of a binding contract, and has threatened a " feedback flame war " and many of you side with the buyer, wow that is too funny.
Enjoy your day all
Believe it or not, many of us "get it". But still disagree with the way you (mis)handled the situation, and, based on the circumstances, believe it best to move on. >>
It baffles me when folks ask for "advice" and then totally ignore it if it does not confirm their point of view. But hey, whatever makes 'ya feel better!
<< <i>my fear is that if I file a NPB claim to get my fee back, then he would neg me, that is what this thread was about. I know i could get the neg removed but that is a hassle. >>
You can file a "mutual agreement to cancel" and get your fees back. You don't get to stick the buyer with a NPB ding, but then again, he's got no reason to be upset and would most likely just leave no feedback at all.
<< <i>Just cancel the sale and move on; you're in a no win situation otherwise. >>
+1
<< <i>I think his tone was considerably nicer than yours. I'd allow the return and move on. >>
I agree. There's nothing to be gained here except knowing that you're right -- which you most certainly are. But the process of trying to make the other guy agree that you're right carries way too much potential of getting messy and ultimately not being worth it. If you had a return policy for the auction anyway, simply consider that the coin got returned before you went through the hassle of mailing it. You're way better off in the long run.