Wrestling Cards on the rise

eagles33 · July 5, 2010 1:32PM

i know there was a thread about a hogan rookie and someone was talking about buying up a bunch of the 82 and 83 cards because he thought they were undervalued. well it looks like he doesnt have to wait much longer. it looks like this psa 10 flair is going to sell for big money.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290451327749&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT

Disclaimer... i'm not the seller and have no clue who the seller is.

MBMiller25 · July 5, 2010 9:38PM

WOOOOO

Dpeck100 · July 5, 2010 9:52PM

Unless it get's to out of hand I do plan on winning. It is the only Flair 10 as the other one the guy crossed it over from a PSA 10 to a BGS 9.5 and he has it for sale as well. I have a PSA 8 and 9 Dusty Rhodes and want the 10 too. There are just so few of these cards and so many have coner damage. I emailed the selller and these cards came from the guy who made them and were not circulated.

Did you notice the guy from Wrestle Prints raised his price on the Andre to $39.95 and now limit of one. Glad I bought two for $20 a piece.

eagles33 · July 5, 2010 10:36PM

I noticed it yesterday. I was going to buy a few more until I saw he doubled the price and also put a restriction one per customer. I wonder how many he has. I asked for scans when I purchased one and he had about 20. He should get some of his inventory slabbed. He is leaving a lot of money on the table. I was pretty peased with the andre I got. It will prob be a 7 or 8. It really depends on how psa grades the card on its focus. Its the first 82 all star card I've seen in person so I'm not sure if mine is out of focus or that is how all of them look. I thought I had a psa 9 or 10 88 flair but it came back a 6. It had to be because the pic on the card was blurry

eagles33 · July 6, 2010 8:31AM

its over 300 bucks now and still a few days before the auction ends. I really wish i pulled the trigger on a Hogan a few years ago.. i remember a psa 8 or 9 on ebay for 20 bucks but i didn't bother bidding on it. I'm interested to see how much a psa 10 hogan sells for? Is the Flair card suppose to be more tough to get than the hogan?

waverlee · July 6, 2010 8:44AM

Hogan 10 would be over $1000

Dpeck100 · July 6, 2010 9:50AM

I was prepared for this type of bidding.....Eagles remembers the Mike Tyson card...

eagles33 · July 6, 2010 9:58AM

I do. But that was in the last 3 minutes. That type of late action is kinda normal. This is getting a lot of bid with days still to go. Don't worry I'm sitting this one out. Good luck. And good call on these cards.

drewsef · July 6, 2010 9:58AM

good thing it's not out of hand now at over 300 bucks, LOL

I hope you really trust this seller is honest and isn't tempted to shill you up. If your talking this way about it being at $300, sounds like you would go near double this amount with no problem.

Dpeck100 · July 6, 2010 10:34AM

$300 is not what what I considered out of hand....Not sure what is funny about that..

Dpeck100 · July 6, 2010 10:40AM

Now my bid is $510

mealeworm · July 6, 2010 10:58AM

I have two words for you. FREAKIN SNIPE.
There is no way I would be talking about bidding and putting bids like that out there.

I do like the cards. Nice

Dave

Dpeck100 · July 6, 2010 11:05AM

I take it you are joking. I have no interest in paying a penny more then I have to for this card. The vast majority of this board wacks off to Stephen Strasburg. I happen to be a very serious collector of this set of cards. The only reason I can even be on these boards is because I signed up to get 15 cards of the 82 A graded. Go check the PSA registry. A guy I have posted back in forth with happens to mention this auction. I responded...I gave an honest answer.

eagles33 · July 6, 2010 11:10AM

dude you shouldn't be so open about how much you are going to bid.. the seller could be a member here and screw you some how with fake bids. i thought for sure that was what the seller was doing on that tyson card.. because i told him to hold off on shipping me some other cards i bought from him so i could combine the shipping. i figured since he knew i wanted it he would just keep bidding it up and then give me a second offer. back to the Flair card.. i thought this would sell in the 300 range.. i'm really shocked in how active the auction is so far away from completion. i'm tempted to just buy a hogan and flair from the wrestling print guy. i'm such a sucker for hype..

thenavarro · July 6, 2010 11:10AM

<< I take it you are joking. I have no interest in paying a penny more then I have to for this card. The vast majority of this board wacks off to Stephen Strasburg. I happen to be a very serious collector of this set of cards. The only reason I can even be on these boards is because I signed up to get 15 cards of the 82 A graded. Go check the PSA registry. A guy I have posted back in forth with happens to mention this auction. I responded...I gave an honest answer. >>

Dpeck100,

They are just trying to help you avoid paying more than you might otherwise have to. They realize that there is a reasonable chance of a seller that has a PSA graded card, might happen upon this thread, or get tipped off by someone, and would know that there is someone that is very serious about buying the card and might be inclined to shill his/her auction to get the maximum price out of you. (sorry about the run on sentence) Basically, they are just saying to not tip your hand publicly.

Mike

mealeworm · July 6, 2010 11:12AM

Joking about what?

If you think getting your bid ran up and shilled thru the roof is funny, then I guess I was joking.

I suggest you look into FREE snipe service and then come back and tell me how much money and headaches you saved.

This is not a knock on the cards, but a knock on your bidding practices. ie being vocal about what and how high you bid.

Dpeck100 · July 6, 2010 11:16AM

Thanks for the advice guys. I have already emailed the seller and he knows my position on these cards. I was trying to pick his brain and he did unveal that these cards were never circulated. I thought that was the case as these are so hard to find in anything higher then a 7. I guess in reality I the market for card collectors is smaller then I thought and yes posting on here about my interest is probably not wise. I have over 900 of these cards and just simply want to keep adding to my collection. These are hard pieces to come by.

MULLINS5 · July 6, 2010 1:16PM

I just checked the bidding history on this auction, Dpeck100 you have already set yourself up for a shill. On top of talking about the auction as you have here, you should never double-bid on an auction.

But hey, if you win you will pay what's OK with you -- but it's always good to save a few bucks.

wrestlingcardking · July 6, 2010 3:50PM

I hope the wrestling cards are on the rise....I subbed 12 wrestling cards from the 1982-83 series that were autographed. I hope to get all authenticated and graded under the last special. I sent in cards of Ted DiBiase, Dusty Rhodes, Jack Brisco, Harley Race, Bob Backlund, Don Muraco, Ernie Ladd, Ricky Steamboat, The Iron Sheik, Jimmy Superfly Snuka, Lou Thesz and Hacksaw Jim Duggan. All are rookie cards (except Lou Thesz) so that is appealing.

thehallmark · July 6, 2010 4:01PM

Dpeck,

What do the backs of these cards look like? Can you post a pic?

dizzle · July 6, 2010 7:43PM

Cool auction I'm gonna go bid it up and see just how far this thing will go.. will report after auction!!!

Edit to add: that thing is about as centered as well as the Strasburg everyone made a stink about..

Dpeck100 · July 6, 2010 9:27PM

I dont have a pic of the backs but I could make one. They are blue and have some info on the wrestler.

At this moment there is no shill bidding. The guy right behind me is TBK Big Kahuna and he owns the other Gem Mint Flair. I knew this would not be cheap. Some how on these boards people justify spending huge sume of money on tons of cards. This is a very unique card.

It is not just die hard wrestling people buying these cards at this point.

Every persons approaches EBAY differently. I bid earlier and often.

Dpeck100 · July 6, 2010 10:26PM

Here is an example of the back of the card. This came from an EBAY auction that is at over $11 for Mil Mascaras. He is a common in the Beckett guide and priced at $2.50. This is exactly why I really like these cards as they in many cases sell for 3 to 5 times Beckett high book.

lsutigers1973 · July 6, 2010 11:10PM

<< The only reason I can even be on these boards is because I signed up to get 15 cards of the 82 A graded. >>

Ummmm.....this is a free public forum. Probably about half the people here are not members of PSA.

drewsef · July 7, 2010 1:23AM

<< Here is an example of the back of the card. This came from an EBAY auction that is at over $11 for Mil Mascaras. He is a common in the Beckett guide and priced at $2.50. This is exactly why I really like these cards as they in many cases sell for 3 to 5 times Beckett high book. >>

Yeah, the Beckett guide is on top of current pricing. Beckett hasn't been relevant in over a decade for pricing.

Not sure why you prefer to bid "early and often" because you are asking to be shilled(especially after talking with the seller and I'm assuming you let them know in several ways how much you wanted this card). Unless they were a moron, of course they are going to tell you everything you want to hear and how rare they are, etc...

Just because it is the only 10 graded means very little, I would advise you to ask around and see if any card from 1970 to present that PSA graded 10 sold for more money each time a new one came to market. I don't know of a single instance of that being the case.

Your setting the bar very high now for people to come in and make them and more 10's will be made now that the high price will be notice. That is a fact.

Dpeck100 · July 7, 2010 1:45AM

The reason there have only been 10 graded is becuase most of them would get a 5 or 6 and smart collectors are not going to spend the time and money to get a card of that condition graded. The other major reason is there is said to be only 2000 of this card. This one was never released in the sealed sets and came from the editor of the WrestlingNews directly.

As for the potential of shill bidding, there are not a lot of people who bid on wrestling cards and you see the same people all the time. I have more risk of a bidding war with three of collectors then shill bidding.

I have 900 of the cards from the three sets, trust me there are very few even in mint condition.

As for the price I have no intention of ever selling so a potential profit is not my motive.

drewsef · July 7, 2010 2:29AM

that's cool, but as others mentioned, I really think you would do yourself a favor with a sniping program. You can get 5 free per week with www.justsnipe.com and there are plenty of others too.

wrestlingcardking · July 7, 2010 3:40AM

gavelsnipe is free

onebamafan · July 7, 2010 7:27AM

$700+ ???...............That Flair card is tremendous, so much so i feel like chest choppin' somebody! Wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

Dpeck100 · July 7, 2010 8:56AM

It is going to go higher. I have my final bid in already and we will see what happens. The reason I do this is to avoid the last second bidding war that you bid more then you really want to. I have only got caught one time doing that and it was on the Panini Mike Tyson a few weeks ago. If it surpasses my high bid I am done.

lsutigers1973 · July 7, 2010 9:24AM

<< The reason I do this is to avoid the last second bidding war that you bid more then you really want to. >>

So you get in a 7 day bidding war with another ebay user that doesn't snipe?

Sniping programs enter your max bid with only a few seconds left. Or you can just do it yourself with only a few seconds left. No bidding war.

Dpeck100 · July 7, 2010 10:24AM

After seeing the Strasburg card sell to another card company, I am worried Tri Star might buy the card. This would be the ultimate redemption card for wrestling sets. I hope this doesn't happen!!!!

MULLINS5 · July 7, 2010 10:35AM

Wrestling cards are fake. I should know.

Seriously -- you've talked me into putting this set together Dpeck -- thanks for the heads up and info -- time to place some bids

billwaltonsbeard · July 7, 2010 10:40AM

anyone have any reprint Rick Flair RCs available?

mcadams · July 7, 2010 10:46AM

I heard Topps was going to buy it, cut it up, and insert the pieces into relic cards for the 2011 Ginter inserts.

JHS5120 · July 7, 2010 10:53AM

<< I heard Topps was going to buy it, cut it up, and insert the pieces into relic cards for the 2011 Ginter inserts. >>

LOL

MULLINS5 · July 7, 2010 11:02AM

If I bid $5,000 on the Flair and $500 each on his other 10 Wrestling PSA cards will I win?

Dpeck100 · July 7, 2010 11:17AM

Yes

otwcards · July 7, 2010 11:54AM

<< The reason there have only been 10 graded is becuase most of them would get a 5 or 6 and smart collectors are not going to spend the time and money to get a card of that condition graded. The other major reason is there is said to be only 2000 of this card. >>

You've already made up your mind about high grade scarcity. Only time will tell, but I heard many say the same thing about 1977 Topps Mexican Football. It's amazing, but when something, even something quite scarce, limited and condition sensitive, gets some higher end pricing and publicity it NEVER takes long for more to show up.

I sold PSA 8 and a few PSA 9 (less than 20 existed in the entire pop of the set at the time) Topps Mexicans when they were scarce in the grade. I got some insane prices for them. Not too soon thereafter, the PSA 8 and PSA 9 populations multiplied and the prices tumbled. In such a thin market, it's bound to happen. History tends to repeat . . .

lsutigers1973 · July 7, 2010 12:26PM

<< Not too soon thereafter, the PSA 8 and PSA 9 populations multiplied and the prices tumbled. >>

How many of those 8's and 9's were the same cards cracked and resubbed? Will never know and that's my biggest issue with the pop report and how it relates to realized prices.

markmac · July 7, 2010 2:35PM

http://www.wrestlingtradingcards.com/checklists.html
Here is a good website for checklist of wrestling cards. I remember the 1982 set as a child. I saw them at card shows in the mid 80's. I do think they are very rare and hard to get in top condition. I don't think the Flair is worth the $1000+ I think it is headed for.

TheCARDKid · July 8, 2010 9:06AM

This one looks pretty cool.

Ric Flair PSA 10

Such a classic Ric Flair look.

WinPitcher · July 8, 2010 9:10AM

<< I have two words for you. FREAKIN SNIPE. >>

Me too, and one of em ain't 'freakin'

Great way to get run up.

shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Steve

Dpeck100 · July 8, 2010 9:18AM

You can buy a factory set of those for $39.99. Very cool set but this card sells raw for $1 to $5 so the $300 price tag is not even remotely possible. The last one sold for $20 last year, I suspect it could get some where between $50 and $75. I have a ton of this card and although this Wonderma set had limited production they are still fairly easy to find on EBAY. The guy selling the sets does a great job and the shipping is included. It is a great value at that price.

eagles33 · July 8, 2010 11:33AM

I used to like the flair wonderama and 85 topps hogan more than the 82 cards. Since hogan was a star in the WWF and Flair a star in the NWA i considered those their first cards from the federations they were stars in as their rookies. Now i'm jumping on the 82 cards as their true rookies. Do you have any idea what the 85 opc production is? I didn't know about it until a few months ago. I'll prob sub one of the macho man cards in the july special. It could be an 8. The centering is good but the edges are pretty rough. I'm also looking for a 87 bret hart in a psa 8 or 9ish condition. I don't see singles that often on ebay.. and i went the route of buying a whole set for about 7 bucks.. but the Hart card was in in pretty mediocre condition.

Dpeck100 · July 8, 2010 11:57AM

Let me check my Bret Hart's. I got a bunch in a large lot I bought. If I have an extra nice one we can work something out. The 82 cards are the real deal. The pictures came directly from the Wrestling News magazine. They are in many cases a little out of focus whcih adds an old school element. They are larger and thicker then traditional cards. When I was doing my research I bought a number of the magazines to see the advertisements. I also tracked down the editor who sold the cards to Wrestle Prints. The guy who came up with the idea for the first set was none other then Vince McMahon Sr. When I bought my sealed set from Jerome off EBAY he lives in Minnesota where the Wrestling News was headquartered and he had them the entire time. He said he packed them away becuase there was so little interest in them at the shows he stopped trying to sell them. The reason they are so scare is they were not produced in large amounts and lets face it not many people in the early 80's treated sports cards as gently as they do today. They actually were not that cheap at $5 per set. Keep in mind packs of Topps were 35 cents a piece. The other reason they are scarce is they were sold at arena's and they were wrapped in tight cellophane (SP) and carried around frequently abviously damaging the cards. I have a couple you can not believe how bad the conditon is. I think the part I like the most is it features Hogan and Flair before they became the guys in the business. Hogan was struggling to make it in early 82 and Flair had won the belt once but was not the Nature Boy as we know him yet. The 82 A was sold out by the end of the year while the 82 B and 83 A were for sale in the magazine well into late 1984. My best guess is they did not know how to gauge demand and did not make enough of the first set and then produced too many of the other two on a relative basis. The centering also got better as they progressed. I feel very confident you will continue to see them rise in value as a large number hit the market in the last six months most likely in response to the rising prices in the guide and realized sales. The set was valued at $15 in the book and went to $200. That kind of moves brings out sellers. I think as more non wrestling collectors look for the cards it will continue to push prices higher. The only website with any for sale is Wrestle Prints and as that supply subsides it will be up to secondary market EBAY sales and if you watch the activity the number of bidders continues to grow and I think that will continue. As for what the graded cards do it is really anyone's guess. There are only a few hard core buyers of these and value is really just a function of perception at any moment in time. I am sure most will think where ever the Flair card sells it was too high but I am sure when the Superman Comic sold for a million people thought that was too high and someone came along and paid 1.5 million 20 minutes after it hit the market. Very rare items obviously comand a premium and I have no desire to flip the card so really what it goes for doesn't matter becuase if it makes the buyer feel good and they can afford the price that is all that matters. We have three days to go and if my bid is surpassed I will not go higher.

Dpeck100 · July 8, 2010 11:58AM

As for OPC I have no idea. If someone ever got a 10 in the Macho Man it would sell for a decent amount as those cards are extremely off centered and have rough cut edges.

wrestlingcardking · July 8, 2010 12:38PM

I sold that Flair PSA 10 for $20 and that was the guys max bid. He is trying to flip it for a huge price obviously.

Dpeck100 · July 8, 2010 12:40PM

It has been for sale for a while. Those cards were made in 1988 towards to tail end of the real NWA. That is why they are not worth much. They had already lost the battle to the WWF.

eagles33 · July 9, 2010 12:30AM

Pretty slow today so I decided to make a top 10 list for most famous wrestlers. I havent watched wrestling since hulk hogan lost to the ultimate worrior so i haven't included any real new guys. I did include the Rock because i credit him for bringing wrestling back when it just about dead in the mid 90s

1 Hulk Hogan 1982 Wrestling All-Stars Series A
2 Ric Flair 1982 Wrestling All-Stars Series A
3 André the Giant 1982 All Stars-Series A
4 Randy Savage 1985 O-Pee-Chee Series 2
5 The Iron Sheik 1982 Wrestling All-Stars-Series B the number 1 heal of the WWF
6 Bret Hart 1987 Topps Wwf
7 Bruno Sammartino 1982 Wrestling All-Stars Series A Never saw him wrestle but remember him being talked about back in the 80's as the living legend
8 The Rock 1998 Comic Images Wwf Wrestling Superstarz
9 The Ultimate Warrior 1990 Classic WWF the first time i ever saw hogan lose without cheating
10 Steve Austin 1995 WCW Main Event Trading Cards (Cardz)

Shawn Michaels 1990 Classic WWF

This isn't so much for wrestling but for 80's pop culture.. does anyone know anything about this card?

Sgt. Slaughter 1986 Carnation Major League Wrestling Cards

markmac · July 9, 2010 4:38AM

If I'm not mistaken, there was an auction about a year ago in which the seller had the actual printing plates for the 1988 Wonderama cards for sale. It seems like he had an extreme price for them. I saw this and wondered if you could print as many of these as you want now and make money whenever the prices got hot. I hope this is not true because I want these wrestling cards to appreciate in value. Also, if you look at the link http://www.wrestlingtradingcards.com/checklists.html you will see a 1985 World Class Championship Wrestling set out of the Dallas area that I had never heard of. I would think that set would be worth lots of money seeing how it would have the Von Erich boys in it.

Wrestling Cards on the rise

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