<< <i>I don't buy any of the brand new cards but if the rational that a 1/1 is a Gem Mint then every super refractor or what ever they call the insert cards from each brand should all grade perfect. This is just stupid.
This is really just creating artificialy low supply. The reason an older card in 8 or better sells for alot is they are hard to find and of the supply equal a very small percentage and hence the large premium relative to less superior grades.
With this logic every card should be Gem Mint.
The modern era cards I do not believe will stay valuable becuase so many are in good condition and the game is all based on insert cards. The key to collecting in my opinion is finding cards that will have appeal for the long term.
This guy Strasburg is very unique, no question. I looked at his strike out to inning ratio and it is the best in the big leagues. Very impressive. So was Doc Gooden, so was Roger Clemens. There are many great players who cards are nearly worthless.
You can't give away a Barry Bonds card.
The notion that an insert card of this young pitcher is more valuable then a PSA 10 Jordan Rookie, and many other cards combined is just bizarre. >>
You still fail to grasp what 1/1 really means. If you understood, you wouldn't continue to compare 1/1 modern cards to RCs of 80's players where 50,000 - 100,000 supply exist. >>
Ditto that. Couldn't of said t better myself. Most are too blind to understand. Remember Beanie Babies ? No test of time. People were so stupid, they thought just because someone put out a price guide, they had extreme value. Cant wait to talk about these Strasburg cards in 5 to 10 yrs. I wounder if Ben McDonald, Todd VanPopple, Brian Taylor, or even Mark Prior had 1 of 1's? What would they be worth today?
<< <i>You thought the price was right at a million.
I explained to you why it would fall.
I am very clear that this is a 1/1 of card. The difference is there are a ton of other Strasburg cards. If you understood economics you would realize they are close substitutes and this will restrict the long term value of this card.
One of the primary reasons older cards have some value is the sentamental aspect. This guy has thrown pitches in four major league games.
What makes things truely rare is the item withstands the test of time. Just look at the Superman comic book.
Are you saying he should have no other interests? No leisure time? Pleaseeeeeee.
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<< <i>You thought the price was right at a million.
I explained to you why it would fall.
I am very clear that this is a 1/1 of card. The difference is there are a ton of other Strasburg cards. If you understood economics you would realize they are close substitutes and this will restrict the long term value of this card.
One of the primary reasons older cards have some value is the sentamental aspect. This guy has thrown pitches in four major league games.
What makes things truely rare is the item withstands the test of time. Just look at the Superman comic book.
Study economics and then we will talk. >>
I would think that someone with such knowledge of economics would spend his time analyzing investments and less time trolling baseball card forums. >>
This entire flurry of activity and insane pricing is the result of speculation and hype. And if we've learned one thing in all of these years of collecting, speculation and hype is a hot potato.
Strasburg may be the greatest thing since sliced bread. He may eventually be better than Clemens or Ryan. But NOTHING he does on the baseball diamond, and I mean NOTHING will ever justify the prices being paid for his cards TODAY. Even is he wins 25+ games every season for the next 10 years and strikes out 300+ batters per season, his specialty cards from his rookie season WILL NOT hold the value that they are setting today.
Hype and speculation have NEVER been supported over the length of a player's career. Most players of value today gained value throughout their careers. I cannot think of one card of a player that went from hype and speculation and was more valuable 5 years later.
As a recent example, in 2001 Ichiro was the hype (and he has lived up to it) and his cards skyrocketed (for awhile), but Pujols was the value that rose over time from that season's issues.
Investing in modern players is always risky, but the base rookies always seem to increase by the highest percentage. Lebron's TC has risen from $30 card raw to around $60. At one point, it was higher than that. I've seen 9's sell for 80, and I remember selling them for around $45 a year or two after he started playing.
Tom Brady's BC rookie was selling for around $15 even after his first super bowl victory. Now it's a $50-$60 card.
When Pujols was red hot a few years ago, his UD base rookie rose from $25 to a peak of $80.
I only follow the modern market casually, but I don't believe the higher end autographed/serial numbered rookies increased by nearly as much. Of course, the downside to base rookies is you have to buy a lot of them to have any appreciable gain.
<< <i>Investing in modern players is always risky, but the base rookies always seem to increase by the highest percentage. Lebron's TC has risen from $30 card raw to around $60. At one point, it was higher than that. I've seen 9's sell for 80, and I remember selling them for around $45 a year or two after he started playing.
Tom Brady's BC rookie was selling for around $15 even after his first super bowl victory. Now it's a $50-$60 card.
When Pujols was red hot a few years ago, his UD base rookie rose from $25 to a peak of $80.
I only follow the modern market casually, but I don't believe the higher end autographed/serial numbered rookies increased by nearly as much. Of course, the downside to base rookies is you have to buy a lot of them to have any appreciable gain. >>
Stellar point and one that I was alluding to. The premise of my post was with regard to the high end, limited issues of these hyped prospects. The 1/1, Super Refractors, Printing Plates, etc...
<< <i>You thought the price was right at a million.
I explained to you why it would fall.
I am very clear that this is a 1/1 of card. The difference is there are a ton of other Strasburg cards. If you understood economics you would realize they are close substitutes and this will restrict the long term value of this card.
One of the primary reasons older cards have some value is the sentamental aspect. This guy has thrown pitches in four major league games.
What makes things truely rare is the item withstands the test of time. Just look at the Superman comic book.
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<< <i>I don't buy any of the brand new cards but if the rational that a 1/1 is a Gem Mint then every super refractor or what ever they call the insert cards from each brand should all grade perfect. This is just stupid.
This is really just creating artificialy low supply. The reason an older card in 8 or better sells for alot is they are hard to find and of the supply equal a very small percentage and hence the large premium relative to less superior grades.
With this logic every card should be Gem Mint.
The modern era cards I do not believe will stay valuable becuase so many are in good condition and the game is all based on insert cards. The key to collecting in my opinion is finding cards that will have appeal for the long term.
This guy Strasburg is very unique, no question. I looked at his strike out to inning ratio and it is the best in the big leagues. Very impressive. So was Doc Gooden, so was Roger Clemens. There are many great players who cards are nearly worthless.
You can't give away a Barry Bonds card.
The notion that an insert card of this young pitcher is more valuable then a PSA 10 Jordan Rookie, and many other cards combined is just bizarre. >>
You still fail to grasp what 1/1 really means. If you understood, you wouldn't continue to compare 1/1 modern cards to RCs of 80's players where 50,000 - 100,000 supply exist. >>
100,000 jordan rcs? yea right. ^^^^^
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<< <i>You thought the price was right at a million.
I explained to you why it would fall.
I am very clear that this is a 1/1 of card. The difference is there are a ton of other Strasburg cards. If you understood economics you would realize they are close substitutes and this will restrict the long term value of this card.
One of the primary reasons older cards have some value is the sentamental aspect. This guy has thrown pitches in four major league games.
What makes things truely rare is the item withstands the test of time. Just look at the Superman comic book.
Study economics and then we will talk. >>
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<< <i>You thought the price was right at a million.
I explained to you why it would fall.
I am very clear that this is a 1/1 of card. The difference is there are a ton of other Strasburg cards. If you understood economics you would realize they are close substitutes and this will restrict the long term value of this card.
One of the primary reasons older cards have some value is the sentamental aspect. This guy has thrown pitches in four major league games.
What makes things truely rare is the item withstands the test of time. Just look at the Superman comic book.
Study economics and then we will talk. >>
I would think that someone with such knowledge of economics would spend his time analyzing investments and less time trolling baseball card forums. >>
Strasburg may be the greatest thing since sliced bread. He may eventually be better than Clemens or Ryan. But NOTHING he does on the baseball diamond, and I mean NOTHING will ever justify the prices being paid for his cards TODAY. Even is he wins 25+ games every season for the next 10 years and strikes out 300+ batters per season, his specialty cards from his rookie season WILL NOT hold the value that they are setting today.
Hype and speculation have NEVER been supported over the length of a player's career. Most players of value today gained value throughout their careers. I cannot think of one card of a player that went from hype and speculation and was more valuable 5 years later.
As a recent example, in 2001 Ichiro was the hype (and he has lived up to it) and his cards skyrocketed (for awhile), but Pujols was the value that rose over time from that season's issues.
Tom Brady's BC rookie was selling for around $15 even after his first super bowl victory. Now it's a $50-$60 card.
When Pujols was red hot a few years ago, his UD base rookie rose from $25 to a peak of $80.
I only follow the modern market casually, but I don't believe the higher end autographed/serial numbered rookies increased by nearly as much. Of course, the downside to base rookies is you have to buy a lot of them to have any appreciable gain.
<< <i>Investing in modern players is always risky, but the base rookies always seem to increase by the highest percentage. Lebron's TC has risen from $30 card raw to around $60. At one point, it was higher than that. I've seen 9's sell for 80, and I remember selling them for around $45 a year or two after he started playing.
Tom Brady's BC rookie was selling for around $15 even after his first super bowl victory. Now it's a $50-$60 card.
When Pujols was red hot a few years ago, his UD base rookie rose from $25 to a peak of $80.
I only follow the modern market casually, but I don't believe the higher end autographed/serial numbered rookies increased by nearly as much. Of course, the downside to base rookies is you have to buy a lot of them to have any appreciable gain. >>
Stellar point and one that I was alluding to. The premise of my post was with regard to the high end, limited issues of these hyped prospects. The 1/1, Super Refractors, Printing Plates, etc...
<< <i>You thought the price was right at a million.
I explained to you why it would fall.
I am very clear that this is a 1/1 of card. The difference is there are a ton of other Strasburg cards. If you understood economics you would realize they are close substitutes and this will restrict the long term value of this card.
One of the primary reasons older cards have some value is the sentamental aspect. This guy has thrown pitches in four major league games.
What makes things truely rare is the item withstands the test of time. Just look at the Superman comic book.
Study economics and then we will talk. >>
Condescending DBOTW?