When did PCGS begin Designating CAMEO and DC for Proof coins?

waterzooey · June 14, 2010 10:03AM

Especially the pre-64 coins...

PawPaul · June 14, 2010 11:38AM

Mr. Tomaska worked with PCGS and NGC to help them establish the CAM and DCam parameters in the year [ insert year here ]

PawPaul · June 14, 2010 11:41AM

around 1992 ?

dpoole · June 14, 2010 12:22PM

My recollection is that it was late 2001.

truthteller · June 14, 2010 1:10PM

Definitely 1994 or before. I submitted a 1961 Franklin Proof and it came back PF66 DCAM in 1994. I sold it for megabucks back then.

TRUTH

PawPaul · June 15, 2010 10:16AM

lets go with 1993 then

robec · June 15, 2010 10:28AM

I have a receipt from Rick Tomaska for a PCGS PR68 DCam that is dated 10/28/92.

PawPaul · June 15, 2010 10:47AM

well , there you go then -, the year was 1992

coinguy1 · June 15, 2010 10:51AM

<< Mr. Tomaska worked with PCGS and NGC to help them establish the CAM and DCam parameters in the year [ insert year here ] >>

I was a grader at NGC from 1991-1998 and don't recall Mr. T's helping to establish parameters for the designations.

Waltz · June 15, 2010 1:59PM

I believe on silver and gold it was the early 90's. Copper was latter...2001 or 2002.

messydesk · June 15, 2010 3:08PM

After 1991. I asked them about it then and the response was that there was no demand. I think it was 1993-4 seems right to me.

oreville · June 15, 2010 4:07PM

I think it was early 1992.

PawPaul · June 16, 2010 6:47AM

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<< Mr. Tomaska worked with PCGS and NGC to help them establish the CAM and DCam parameters in the year [ insert year here ] >>

I was a grader at NGC from 1991-1998 and don't recall Mr. T's helping to establish parameters for the designations. >>

I think maybe Mark you were on vacation at the time , I was quoting Mr.T's statements from his book .

coinguy1 · June 16, 2010 9:13AM

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<< Mr. Tomaska worked with PCGS and NGC to help them establish the CAM and DCam parameters in the year [ insert year here ] >>

I was a grader at NGC from 1991-1998 and don't recall Mr. T's helping to establish parameters for the designations. >>

I think maybe Mark you were on vacation at the time , I was quoting Mr.T's statements from his book . >>

I took very few vacations

Cameonut · June 16, 2010 10:55AM

I think this may shed some light on the question. Here is a quick photo of a 1995s Jefferson with no Dcam designation. Trust me, the coin is fully deep cameo on both sides but is not designated as such. This would suggest that PCGS was not designating cameos earlier than 1995. However, it is possible that you had to request cameo designations back in those days - I don't remember for sure that far back.

robec · June 16, 2010 11:58AM

<< I think this may shed some light on the question. Here is a quick photo of a 1995s Jefferson with no Dcam designation. Trust me, the coin is fully deep cameo on both sides but is not designated as such. This would suggest that PCGS was not designating cameos earlier than 1995. However, it is possible that you had to request cameo designations back in those days - I don't remember for sure that far back. >>

That may be so on the minor coinage, but my 1962 PR68 DCam was designated as such when I bought if from R & I in 1992.

truthteller · June 16, 2010 12:26PM

This would suggest that PCGS was not designating cameos earlier than 1995.

This is an incorrect assumption.

TRUTH

Cocoinut · June 16, 2010 12:37PM

Looking through old Teletrade catalogs (I'm a packrat!), I've found that ANACS and Hallmark were using the Cameo designation by January 1990, NGC was using it by September 1990. The first Teletrade auction I could find with PCGS Cameo coins was their auction #424 of April 23, 1992, where there were a couple of Franklins listed as cameos.

Jim

PawPaul · June 16, 2010 12:47PM

i'm stickin' with 1992

Cameonut · June 16, 2010 7:56PM

Ahh, Robec's comment brought back a memory. PCGS was designating cameos earlier than 1995 but only up to a certain date - maybe it was 1964 as the OP originally asked. Coins minted after 1964 (or whatever the date was) were not designated until later.

I stand corrected.

waterzooey · June 16, 2010 9:08PM

Where is Don Willis when you need him...

HighRelief · June 17, 2010 12:56AM

<< Ahh, Robec's comment brought back a memory. PCGS was designating cameos earlier than 1995 but only up to a certain date - maybe it was 1964 as the OP originally asked. Coins minted after 1964 (or whatever the date was) were not designated until later.

I stand corrected. >>

This PR 1995-W was graded in 1995 and as you can see it is missing the DCAM designation.

robec · June 17, 2010 2:21AM

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<< Ahh, Robec's comment brought back a memory. PCGS was designating cameos earlier than 1995 but only up to a certain date - maybe it was 1964 as the OP originally asked. Coins minted after 1964 (or whatever the date was) were not designated until later.

I stand corrected. >>

This PR 1995-W was graded in 1995 and as you can see it is missing the DCAM designation.

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This should dispel the fact the at least Franklin's were receiving Cameo and DCam designations in 1992. Note the certification number on the receipt is the same as the slab. No trickery here.

The only question is why I paid so much.

PawPaul · June 17, 2010 7:14AM

I don't think 125,000.00$ is too much paid ;

Mr. T has a lot of overhead

When did PCGS begin Designating CAMEO and DC for Proof coins?

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