Question for Collectors of Toned Morgan Dollars

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• SkyMan Posts: 9,515 ✭✭✭✭✭

  May 8, 2010 3:39AM

  You might try a pm to Sunnywood or Toneddollars or GSAGuy.

  Toned Franklins
  
  U.S. Type Set

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• BAJJERFAN Posts: 31,401 ✭✭✭✭✭

  May 8, 2010 4:36AM

  That would be a tough one to answer. Easiest to find nice bag toned examples of is 79-s thru 82-s 83-o thru 85-o and 85-p thru 87-p. One must also keep in mind that many were dipped to remove the rust/tarnish or perhaps even melted without anyone even knowing what was in the bags they dumped into the smelter.
  
  Imagine what one might find if those supposedly 12 bags of 1895 Morgans were discovered.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  Other dates are more likely to be found as album or end roll toned like this one.
  
  
  
  
  

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• soty27 Posts: 1,956

  May 8, 2010 4:48AM

  There is not really any data on the distribution of toned morgans because they were not distributed toned. They were just distributed like any other morgans and then toned over time depending on the conditions of storage. You can break down the morgan series by the ability to find certian dates wildly toned and other dates that are not as easily available toned. As badjer pointed out above there are several dates within the morgan series that are easily found on any given day with wild color such as the ones he listed. The harder a morgan is to find to begin with the harder its going to be able to find with toning

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• RWB Posts: 8,082 ✭

  May 8, 2010 7:21AM

  What I'm trying to piece together is the possible environment in which some, but not all Morgans existed that produced the colorful toning seen on some. Mint documents I recently read listed millions of Morgans dated before 1898 that had been subject to moisture, iron and iron oxide, and various carbonates in addition to rotting canvas bags.
  
  Peace dollars rarely show colorful natural toning, and there are no major incidents of damage while in storage. Likewise, scanning though old threads here and on NGC show few post 1898 Morgans with a lot of bright color when compared to earlier dates.
  
  I'm speculating --- and looking for data to place on the different sides of a 3-dimensional equation.
  

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• BAJJERFAN Posts: 31,401 ✭✭✭✭✭

  May 8, 2010 7:35AM

  
  
  << <i>What I'm trying to piece together is the possible environment in which some, but not all Morgans existed that produced the colorful toning seen on some. Mint documents I recently read listed millions of Morgans dated before 1898 that had been subject to moisture, iron and iron oxide, and various carbonates in addition to rotting canvas bags.
  
  Peace dollars rarely show colorful natural toning, and there are no major incidents of damage while in storage. Likewise, scanning though old threads here and on NGC show few post 1898 Morgans with a lot of bright color when compared to earlier dates.
  
  I'm speculating --- and looking for data to place on the different sides of a 3-dimensional equation. >>
  
  
  
  I believe that the mint used a different washing process when the 1921s were struck, which is why you seldom see toned 1921 Morgans and really nicely toned Peace dollars. IIRC HRH said recently that he believes that all rainbow toned Peace $$ are probably AT.

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• Bear Posts: 18,953 ✭✭✭

  May 8, 2010 7:38AM

  There are a number of possible reasons for this happening:
  
  1. The process of annealing the planchets may have changes in certain years.
  
  2. The method of mixing the constituent ingredients may have been altered
  
  3. The method of cleaning the planchets could have changed altering the surface quality.
  
  4. The amount of sulfur in the storage bags may have changed
  
  5. The total number of bags of dollars and the various locations they were stored in might
  have changes the temperature, humidity and atmospheric content.
  
  6. The pressure of the die strike may have changed in certain years ,to compensate for worn dies
  thus changing the surface quality of the struck dollars.

  There once was a place called
  Camelot

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• RWB Posts: 8,082 ✭

  May 8, 2010 7:39AM

  While I am familiar with the standard reasons, I think there is more to be learned. So far, none of the usual explainations works very well when we look at real coins.

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