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Ebay seller discounts affected by SNAD

In September ebay will consider:

"New seller standard: Buyer Protection cases counted along with low DSRs.
Opening a case with the eBay or PayPal Buyer Protection program is a clear indication of buyer dissatisfaction, especially when the buyer tries and is unable to resolve an issue directly with the seller. That's why, starting in September, "item not received" and "item not as described" cases will be considered along with low DSRs to evaluate and reward seller performance. "

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  • coinpicturescoinpictures Posts: 5,345 ✭✭✭
    Also, starting this summer, eBay is anonymizing all communication between buyer and seller; you won't have access to the other party's email address any more.
  • pitbosspitboss Posts: 8,643 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Also, starting this summer, eBay is anonymizing all communication between buyer and seller; you won't have access to the other party's email address any more. >>



    If that is the case, how do you tell the buyer that the item has shipped and congradulate them on their purchase. They will be saying we don't communicate with them which will lower our scores.
  • GreeniejrGreeniejr Posts: 1,321 ✭✭✭
    Except that sellers are required to take Paypal and Paypal is based on an email address. No problem here.
  • ziggy29ziggy29 Posts: 18,668 ✭✭✭


    << <i>If that is the case, how do you tell the buyer that the item has shipped and congradulate them on their purchase. They will be saying we don't communicate with them which will lower our scores. >>

    I suspect you will have to communicate through an eBay form where the actual buyer's e-mail address is never disclosed to the seller -- you compose it on the eBay web site and it reaches the buyer with some ebay.com e-mail address listed as the sender.

    As far as the buyer protection claims, are they also going to consider publishing NPB's for deadbeat buyers or this simply another initiative to further tip the balance of power to the buyer? If the latter, it just shows that eBay is continuing to become more and more of a seller-hostile place to do business. I've already stopped selling there, and I've never had any problems in any of my seller transactions.
  • derrybderryb Posts: 37,705 ✭✭✭✭✭
    SNAD items have always indirectly affected seller discounts because they usually result in low "star" feedback. Seller discounts require higher star ratings.

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  • derrybderryb Posts: 37,705 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Also, starting this summer, eBay is anonymizing all communication between buyer and seller; you won't have access to the other party's email address any more. >>



    If that is the case, how do you tell the buyer that the item has shipped and congradulate them on their purchase. They will be saying we don't communicate with them which will lower our scores. >>



    Through the ebay message system. It also helps buyer if you add tracking info in "items sold" as they will see this number also. In addition it helps the seller to add the tracking number in paypal in case paypal needs to verify receipt of shipment.

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  • << <i>Through the ebay message system. It also helps buyer if you add tracking info in "items sold" as they will see this number also. In addition it helps the seller to add the tracking number in paypal in case paypal needs to verify receipt of shipment. >>



    I always appreciate sellers who add tracking info and mark the item as 'Shipped' for review in my eBay summary - this usually results in 5 star feedback.
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  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>or this simply another initiative to further tip the balance of power to the buyer? >>



    That's the net effect, but the real impetus is reducing the amount eBay pays out in FVF discounts. They got caught off guard with the amount they were ponying up with the first discount program based on overall DSR's, so they changed it to the onesy twosy system. They're still paying out too much, so they're throwing the all too easy to file claims in the mix. Everything eBay does is about revenue generation. They may couch it in "security" or "buyer protection" terms, but it's really about their bottom line.

    Russ, NCNE
  • mrpotatoheaddmrpotatoheadd Posts: 7,576 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Also, starting this summer, eBay is anonymizing all communication between buyer and seller; you won't have access to the other party's email address any more. >>

    I can't find anything that stated definitevely that eBay will stop providing buyers' email addresses. This announcement...

    "Starting in June, eBay will take steps to ensure that user information is kept even more secure and provide additional efficiencies to quickly respond to emails. Anonymous email addresses will be used onsite whenever buyers and sellers are exchanging emails (Ask a Question, Reply to Question)."

    appears to only be addressing contact through the eBay site- not direct buyer/seller email contact. If this is not correct and somebody has a link to an eBay page indicating a clear intention of discontinuing the provision of email addresses, I'd appreciate it if you would post it here.

  • Starting in 2011 seller fees will be assessed at whatever level necessary to generate a level of profit sufficient to satisfy wall street and assure all executive options will remain "in the money".

    In event selling fees exceed final price realized money will be withdrawn from your mandatory paypal account and a reverse negative seller discount will be applied on all future sales.

    All sellers will be required to maintain all funds in paypal account unless used for ebay purchases.

    Withdrawals will be viewed as attempts to defraud ebay/paypal.
  • airplanenutairplanenut Posts: 22,410 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'll be pretty pissed if I have to start logging in to reply to questions. I can reply quickly because my email is always open, and when I see a question come in, it's easy to bang out a sentence and not really stop what I'm doing. If I have to navigate my way through eBay every time, it's going to get much more in the way.
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  • mrpotatoheaddmrpotatoheadd Posts: 7,576 ✭✭✭
    Reading eBay's email, I noted this:

    "Opening a case with the eBay or PayPal Buyer Protection program is a clear indication of buyer dissatisfaction, especially when the buyer tries and is unable to resolve an issue directly with the seller."

    What a load. "...especially when the buyer tries and is unable to resolve an issue directly with the seller." Right. Buyers don't do that anymore- their first action these days is to file a complaint with PayPal. And some posters here even advise people to do just that.

    I'm always more than happy to work with buyers to make sure they're satisfied, but there's nothing I can do to avoid a dispute going through PayPal if they won't contact me with their concerns. A while back, I had one buyer completely refuse to respond to my emails regarding an item lost in the mail because a PayPal rep told him not to contact me directly.

    What ought to happen is that eBay/PayPal should contact the seller in the event of a buyer complaint and see if he's even heard about it and had a chance to fix things before letting the buyer open a dispute in the first place. Won't happen though- there's nothing in it for eBay.
  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,625 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That's why, starting in September, "item not received" and "item not as described" cases will be considered along with low DSRs to evaluate and reward seller performance. "


    Less profit from increased fees are my rewards for seller performance.
    Who's kidding who ?
  • derrybderryb Posts: 37,705 ✭✭✭✭✭
    And I believe you only have to wait four days now before you can file a complaint. Most shipments take longer than that to arrive. Had one guy tell me that he knew the registered package would take longer but he wanted to get the complaint filed as early as possible in case I was going to rip him off. He said "no big deal, once it arrives all I have to do is cancel the complaint." No big deal until now! I would like to see ebay go back to prolonging the filing of complaints.

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  • mrpotatoheaddmrpotatoheadd Posts: 7,576 ✭✭✭


    << <i>That's why, starting in September, "item not received" and "item not as described" cases will be considered along with low DSRs to evaluate and reward seller performance. " >>

    I can almost see the logic in "Item not as described" complaints. Almost. As long as the seller has had a chance to fix the problem.

    But "Item not received"? WTF??? We're supposed to get rated down because THE POST OFFICE loses the package? Right- that's reasonable.
  • ConnecticoinConnecticoin Posts: 13,113 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>or this simply another initiative to further tip the balance of power to the buyer? >>



    That's the net effect, but the real impetus is reducing the amount eBay pays out in FVF discounts. They got caught off guard with the amount they were ponying up with the first discount program based on overall DSR's, so they changed it to the onesy twosy system. They're still paying out too much, so they're throwing the all too easy to file claims in the mix. Everything eBay does is about revenue generation. They may couch it in "security" or "buyer protection" terms, but it's really about their bottom line.

    Russ, NCNE >>



    Fark Ebay. Isn't their latest round of jacking up fees enough?
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,858 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Also, starting July 1 ebay will require the seller to ship the item to the buyer first and the buyer will then send payment as long as said item meets his or her approval..


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  • zeebobzeebob Posts: 2,825


    << <i>Also, starting July 1 ebay will require the seller to ship the item to the buyer first and the buyer will then send payment as long as said item meets his or her approval.. >>



    I've done that often enough. In fact, I just mailed a $225 coin to some guy in Italy today. Dude said he'd pay me after the 1st of the month. His feedback is good, so I'm cool with it. Never been burned before.
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,858 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Also, starting July 1 ebay will require the seller to ship the item to the buyer first and the buyer will then send payment as long as said item meets his or her approval.. >>



    I've done that often enough. In fact, I just mailed a $225 coin to some guy in Italy today. Dude said he'd pay me after the 1st of the month. His feedback is good, so I'm cool with it. Never been burned before.


    You're either incredibly lucky or haven't had many transactions, LOL..


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  • coinpicturescoinpictures Posts: 5,345 ✭✭✭
  • pf70collectorpf70collector Posts: 6,754 ✭✭✭
    Also, starting July 1 ebay will require the seller to ship the item to the buyer first and the buyer will then send payment as long as said item meets his or her approval.image
  • Tdec1000Tdec1000 Posts: 3,852 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Also, starting July 1 ebay will require the seller to ship the item to the buyer first and the buyer will then send payment as long as said item meets his or her approval.. >>




    image Freaking way will I ever do that!!! Not unless it is one of my good customers or a member here.
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