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Raw saint help: Real? Grade?

WeissWeiss Posts: 9,942 ✭✭✭✭✭
I understand gold is difficult to grade via images. Paid about $1240 for this out the door, so maybe 7% top 'o melt?

I have no reason to believe it's not real, but since I bought it around melt and unslabbed I figured it was at least possible.

Thoughts?

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  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,800 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looks real, pictures do not show luster, could grade 58-62.
  • WeissWeiss Posts: 9,942 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thanks, RYK. Here's a shot through the intercept that shows the luster. See 1:00 for or so...

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  • coinkid855coinkid855 Posts: 5,012 ✭✭✭
    I'd say 55, but I think it might have been cleaned...




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  • ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,785 ✭✭✭✭
    Coin looks AU at best. Definitely appears to have been cleaned in some way with the many parallel hairlines.

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  • robkoolrobkool Posts: 5,934 ✭✭✭✭✭
    MS60 details (cleaned/altered surface)... The surface hairlines, & impaired luster gives it away.
  • savoyspecialsavoyspecial Posts: 7,311 ✭✭✭✭
    thanks alot Weiss, now you've got me thinking this one isnt real:



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  • WeissWeiss Posts: 9,942 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thanks, All. I'm glad the consensus is genuine. I can see why it might be thought to have been cleaned, but what hairlines she has are quite faint in hand. I'll go with a low AU net to be safe. image
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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,851 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Looks real, pictures do not show luster, could grade 58-62. >>



    Looks real but cleaned---numerous hairlines. Doubt it will grade but it should get in a genuine slab. I'd leave it raw.

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  • dtkk49adtkk49a Posts: 2,490 ✭✭✭
    I would at least get it in a "genuine" slab. It will be easier to sell in the future in a "genuine" slab.
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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,851 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I would at least get it in a "genuine" slab. It will be easier to sell in the future in a "genuine" slab. >>



    Common date Saints aren't heavily counterfeited and it's doubtful a gennie slab would increase the value enough to recoup the cost of slabbing and two way shipping. This is essentially a bullion coin worth about what an AGE is worth. Now, if you are talking about a $3 gold, I'd agree a gennie slab would be a good idea.

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  • coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>I would at least get it in a "genuine" slab. It will be easier to sell in the future in a "genuine" slab. >>



    Common date Saints aren't heavily counterfeited and it's doubtful a gennie slab would increase the value enough to recoup the cost of slabbing and two way shipping. This is essentially a bullion coin worth about what an AGE is worth. Now, if you are talking about a $3 gold, I'd agree a gennie slab would be a good idea. >>

    I agree.
  • JJMJJM Posts: 8,089 ✭✭✭✭✭
    looks real, cleaned, I wouldnt slab it , just enjoy it
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  • JRoccoJRocco Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭✭
    You should be able to sell it the same way you bought it Weiss.
    Don't lose any % of the future sale on the cost of plastic.
    Sure looks genuine by the way - and the grade is not important with this one.
    Some coins are just plain "Interesting"
  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,615 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Raw authentic gold coins stack up just as easily as raw authentic bullion gold coins. One carries a higher premium. For this reason, a genuine holder will help for marketing purposes if the coin is problematic and treated as a commodity instead of a collectible. On the other hand, it's your coin and it is or has been, a goodhedge... even if it's not registry quality.

    I've found (as a dealer), other dealers are comforatable paying more for genuine coins in genuine holders... about $150 more than spot. I also noticed they disregard "GRADES" because of "Gennie". This is why a NET GRADE should be important information on the reverse label, right under those words that say NOT GRADEABLE.
    Why ? ... because that helps the marketability of such coins.

    Those are my thoughts.

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