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I may be wrong but it irritates me to no end when

tigerdeantigerdean Posts: 925 ✭✭✭
in Buy, Sell & Trade - Cards & Memorabilia
someone buys some cards from me on this board for a fair price and then I see them listed on Ebay two weeks later at a 100% markup. This same person snagged two cards which were offered for sale on this board that I needed for my registry sets. They were being sold from someone's personal individual player collection and what do you know they are also for sale on Ebay right now in his store. I can handle being beat to the punch on purchasing them but it makes me sick when I or someone else that is a true collector is looking for a card and would have gladly bought them for the fair price only to be shut out by someone who immediately raises the price and puts them on Ebay. JMO

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  • SmuggoSmuggo Posts: 425 ✭
    It may be frustrating but that's business.
    Collecting Pre-War, Pre-War HOF Types, Pre-War Postcards
  • drewsefdrewsef Posts: 1,894 ✭✭
    this type of mentality is what keeps the prices of cards low, is no one supposed to be allowed to make a profit? Have you contacted this person and tried to ask, "I noticed you bought these two cards I could use recently and would be willing to offer you a fast 25%(or whatever is fair, considering the price of the cards) profit if you would rather not pay ebay fees and paypal fees"

    Personally I am happy if I can sell someone a card, and at a price that leaves them some room to make a profit because it only gives me repeat business. This is a good part of sustaining and growing a market, albeit on a small level, but it seems to be lacking in sports cards. Everyone wants a card cheaper than the last person paid, or only at the average cost of the most recent sales, think VCP(despite the fact that VCP has no data on actual sight seen purchases which in every other hobby I have been involved in, is always more and often considerably so).

  • SmuggoSmuggo Posts: 425 ✭
    The other issue (and I am not putting words in the mouth of the original poster) is that a "collector" is somehow entitled to a card for a lower price than someone who is interested in or intends reselling it. I have never understood this.
    Collecting Pre-War, Pre-War HOF Types, Pre-War Postcards
  • tigerdeantigerdean Posts: 925 ✭✭✭
    Ok boys, I have tons of stuff to sell. You are most likely collectors since you are on this board. What do you want to buy at high VCP or above? I probably have something you want! I will be glad to make a profit.
  • jivanjivan Posts: 1,009 ✭
    this complaint irritates me to no end !!!!!!!!!! this is the most assanine thing someone can post !!
    always looking for 1969 graded basketball
  • BPorter26BPorter26 Posts: 3,500 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Another stupid thread.
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  • otwcardsotwcards Posts: 5,291 ✭✭✭
    The assumption that all on this board are collectors is the first wrong step. The second is insinuating that as a collector, there is an entitlement to a card over someone that intends to make a profit from it. Lastly, suggesting that you can "play the game, too" by offering cards at high VCP wreaks of sour grapes.

    This is a hobby for most, but it is also one that when a bargain is found, allows for a profit to be applied to the hobbyist's collection. The sooner this is understood, the easier it will be to accept that some will find an area of profit whether they buy from you or outbid you...
  • CDsNutsCDsNuts Posts: 10,092 ✭
    I am a collector. I will buy all your cards at half VCP and you will never see them on ebay.
  • favoritethingsfavoritethings Posts: 171 ✭✭
    Okay, If you can find a high grade Clemente card I need, I will pay high VCP for it. Forget the regular issues - either have or know the whereabouts of the highest graded examples. So let's talk inserts, food and test issues - How about a 1958 Kahn's for starters? Whatchya got?
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  • tigerdeantigerdean Posts: 925 ✭✭✭
    I LOVE YOU ALL, I love this board, and that is why I try to sell my extra shtuff to you guys first before I pay the fee grubbers. I do want to say that I agree that a person on this board is not entitled to a card cheaper just because he is a collector but I want a guy who collects cards and is trying to complete a psa set to get my stuff before I see it go to someone who just instantly puts it up for market on Ebay because I come here to converse, learn more about my hobby, help my fellow collector, and buy stuff to add to my collection. This may mean I buy a lot to get some cards I need and then sell the rest or sometimes just come here to find a nice vintage card to add to my collection. I will be the first to say I try to buy things right so if I happen to get tired of it or if I need some money for some reason that I can hopefully make a dollar, break even, or lose a little, just not lose my butt on it. I will negotiate just like the next guy. I do however do not look to buy things on this board to instantly put it back for sale on Ebay or even worse the same board to make a dollar. I think something bought on Ebay or privately is fair game to instantly put back on Ebay the next day but I just have a feeling that a board like this should be somewhat sacred. Call me stupid if you like but that is my feeling. I wouldn't do it to a fellow board member and I don't particularly want it done to me. Now go ahead and take your pot shots because I am tired and I don't care. I try to be a good collector, a good trader, a good seller, a good buyer, a good friend, and most of all a good person but like a lot of you I may vent once in awhile, be it the right thing to do or not. Have a great week everyone!!!
  • swartz1swartz1 Posts: 4,911 ✭✭✭
    gotta be honest...

    having a hard time deciphering the "legit" comments from the sarcastic ones...

    anyway...

    I'll be honest...I have bought cards on this board with the intention of selling...

    helps pay the bills

    carry on...


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  • GarabaldiGarabaldi Posts: 2,004 ✭✭✭
    Tough to tell someone what they can do before or after they buy something.
  • Mickey71Mickey71 Posts: 4,263 ✭✭✭✭
    I would say that 50% of transactions are done with the intention of making a profit.
  • thedutymonthedutymon Posts: 4,323 ✭


    << <i>I would say that 50% of transactions are done with the intention of making a profit. >>



    Good day,

    100% of my purchases are made to Collect, Then 100% of those are made so I can make a Profit Now or Down the line.............................Bottom line I Collect, I Sell, I Collect some more, I Sell, Ect. Ect.........But get real, at the end of the day I don't buy a Card(s) so I can lose money!!! This is Bidness !!!!!

    Neil
    Actually Collect Non Sport, but am just so full of myself I post all over the place !!!!!!!
  • alnavmanalnavman Posts: 4,129 ✭✭✭
    wish I had the time to track all the cards I've bought and sold over the years including who they went to, who has stores and who then resells them.....and I'm retired!! oh well....al.
  • PowderedH2OPowderedH2O Posts: 2,443 ✭✭
    After buying the card, someone had to take the time to list it on ebay (including scans/photos, etc...), pay the ebay fees, deal with the transaction, and pack it up and ship it. All the while running the risk of a scam buyer that might do a paypal SNAD or neg the seller. If someone does those things and makes a few bucks by doing it, then they are entitled to it. I have made money many times selling cards quickly. I have also lost many times doing the same. Bottom line... sell at a price that you are happy with and don't worry what happens to the card once the new owner has it.

    BTW - I agree with your premise about collectors helping collectors. It is a noble thought and I hope this incident doesn't change your attitude towards the many fine people on this board.
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  • tigerdeantigerdean Posts: 925 ✭✭✭
    It hasn't soured me image I have had a couple of people privately contact me by pm with words of support. I will definitely take your advice of when I sell of making sure I get what I want and forget about it. I will however keep a closer eye on the people who are collecting the same years of cards I am and try to give them first dibs from now on. I have already met a few great guys and been able to sell them some cards as well I have purchased some small and large value cards from some great guys on this board.
  • bobbyw8469bobbyw8469 Posts: 7,144 ✭✭✭
    I, too, am a collector.....Like Lee, I will pay 30% less than VCP average.......thank you for your future support!
  • cardbendercardbender Posts: 1,831 ✭✭
    I'm a collector and dealer. I'll gladly pay 100% of VCP for some cards I need for the sets I'm working on in Football. I need many cards from the 1950's and '60's.

    Sometimes paying full VCP is actually cheap since VCP averages the good 8's/9's and the bad 8's/9's.

    I have no problem with anyone making money buying/selling cards.

    It is frustrating to miss out on a card you need or want for your collection, but that's just how things are. You can't always buy the cards you want for half price even if you are the most dedicated, true collector in the world, searching ebay/message boards high and low for these great deals. Occasionaly you'll miss out on a great buy. Chalk it up to bad timing.
  • weinholdweinhold Posts: 503


    << <i>This type of mentality is what keeps the prices of cards low, is no one supposed to be allowed to make a profit? Have you contacted this person and tried to ask, "I noticed you bought these two cards I could use recently and would be willing to offer you a fast 25%(or whatever is fair, considering the price of the cards) profit if you would rather not pay ebay fees and paypal fees"

    Personally I am happy if I can sell someone a card, and at a price that leaves them some room to make a profit because it only gives me repeat business. This is a good part of sustaining and growing a market, albeit on a small level, but it seems to be lacking in sports cards. Everyone wants a card cheaper than the last person paid, or only at the average cost of the most recent sales, think VCP(despite the fact that VCP has no data on actual sight seen purchases which in every other hobby I have been involved in, is always more and often considerably so). >>



    The above is the smartest response here. Profiting is price appreciation. Price appreciation benefits the hobby. Price appreciation means paying 102% of VCP for an average example for the grade. This is one sign of a healthy hobby.

  • minnesotahuskerminnesotahusker Posts: 642 ✭✭✭


    << <i>It hasn't soured me image I have had a couple of people privately contact me by pm with words of support. I will definitely take your advice of when I sell of making sure I get what I want and forget about it. I will however keep a closer eye on the people who are collecting the same years of cards I am and try to give them first dibs from now on. I have already met a few great guys and been able to sell them some cards as well I have purchased some small and large value cards from some great guys on this board. >>



    I'm guessing based on the replies here, you've received more criticism than you have supportive PMs. It's a free enterprise. Make as much as you can.

  • NCDOLFANNCDOLFAN Posts: 300
    What makes me giggle a little while I'm shaking my head(yes I can multi-task) are the dealers on ebay who buy slabbed cards auction style and then re-list the cards at 100% + mark-up. Two and three years later, they're still sitting there!!! Wish I had the extra money to put window dressing in a store.
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