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I declare a new Numismatic terminology entry

May have already been declared but Ive never seen it used. Namely when describing rim dings the traditional hands clock is used as such:

"Rim ding at 11 o clock on the obvesre"

This seems cumbersome. I propose the use of am and pm, am for the obverse pm for the reverse; Thus:

"Rim ding at 11am"

If anyone will second the motion I think we can all start using it and spreading it.

Comments

  • Haven't I heard 11 o'clock called K11 before or something like that?
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  • lcoopielcoopie Posts: 8,873 ✭✭✭✭✭
    makes more sense to say
    11:00 ob.
    11:00 rev.
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  • << <i>makes more sense to say
    11:00 ob.
    11:00 rev. >>



    It is still cumbersome in the realm of spoken word. But your vote has been counted.
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,896 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Not a new idea. Using the face of the clock to describe the location of a feature on a coin has been used since clocks were invented.

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  • << <i>Not a new idea. Using the face of the clock to describe the location of a feature on a coin has been used since clocks were invented. >>



    My idea is the addition of "am" and ""pm" to replace the syllable rich oclock/obverse/reverse verbiage, not the clock time themselves.
  • kazkaz Posts: 9,280 ✭✭✭✭✭
    how about o11 (for obverse), r11(for reverse)?
  • DentuckDentuck Posts: 3,824 ✭✭✭
    I like it! It's intuitive, easy to remember, and logical.

  • LanLordLanLord Posts: 11,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    How about "rite derr" whilst you push a great big index fingerprint on the entire coin while pointing out the dinger!
  • LewyLewy Posts: 594
    I'm with you LanLord, some folks may consider your method to be less than accurate, and possibly even tacky, but it does illustrate a down to earth honesty and that personal touch that seems to be overlooked by many of the overly critical coin gurus.


  • << <i>I like it! It's intuitive, easy to remember, and logical. >>



    You sir, are a genius among plebes.
  • CoinosaurusCoinosaurus Posts: 9,645 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Seems to me I've seen the terminology K6, K9, etc., which is even more terse.
  • lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,894 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>makes more sense to say
    11:00 ob.
    11:00 rev. >>

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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,896 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Not a new idea. Using the face of the clock to describe the location of a feature on a coin has been used since clocks were invented. >>



    My idea is the addition of "am" and ""pm" to replace the syllable rich oclock/obverse/reverse verbiage, not the clock time themselves. >>



    Good concept except except I think using Obv or Rev rather than am or pm would be less confusing and less definitive.

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  • I really like r11 or o11... that is my vote..can I start to use it or is it copyrighted???
  • Sounds better at least.

    p.s. since we're talking about clocks, and if you concede that a sundial has the least moving parts, which timepiece/clock has the most moving parts? image
  • What about military time, that would eliminate the superfluous "am" or "pm."0001 to 1200, and 1201-2400?image
  • so if you have an at toner with a rim ding on the obverse you have an at11am??? sounds like a comedy routine, who's on first, what's at11am???? I vote to leave it alone....it's not that cumbersome for
    accurate and clear descriptions. This sounds like someone who does alot of texting and shortens words for expediency sake.....jmho image
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  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,624 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Orientation could be in degrees. There are 360 from which to choose.
  • <<Orientation could be in degrees. There are 360 from which to choose from. >>

    Too confusing; every one will argue over where to start zero: Zenith angles, Nadir angles or vertical angles. Sorry the surveyor in me could not resist.image
  • kazkaz Posts: 9,280 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I really like r11 or o11... that is my vote..can I start to use it or is it copyrighted??? >>




    Feel free. My brain f*rts are public domain.image
  • <<p.s. since we're talking about clocks, and if you concede that a sundial has the least moving parts, which timepiece/clock has the most moving parts? >>

    Too easy, an hour glass. image
  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,624 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Degrees are used in numismatics to describe die rotation from obverse to reverse ,
    it was a "tongue in cheek" comment about using it (degrees) for telling where a "rim ding" is.
  • gripgrip Posts: 9,962 ✭✭✭✭✭
    CCW or/from CW


  • << <i><<p.s. since we're talking about clocks, and if you concede that a sundial has the least moving parts, which timepiece/clock has the most moving parts? >>

    Too easy, an hour glass. image >>



    That is more of a timer. I vote for the sun itself.

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