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1914-D Buffalo nickel....Bet you can't guess the grade PCGS gave this piece!! Grade revealed..
crazyhounddog
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So what do ya think, looks really nice doesn't it? Nice color, great strike, and a semi key date. I just love this beautiful Buffalo Nickel, How do you think PCGS feels about this one? What's the grade?? Thanks for taking the time....Joe
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<< <i>I'm betting au 58 >>
I am sadly disapointed in this guess Ed, you are my go to guy for this kinda stuff, so I'm going to let you guess again. So far your all very wrong.....
....65
Please define striations for us, I thought I knew what it meant, but now?
<< <i>The striations were in the plantchet and often times they look like little hits like above the braid on the obverse and on the leg on the reverse. These were - AS MADE - in the striking of the coin and often times even the graders mistake these as hits or wear. I hope this answers your question! >>
I always thought coins that look like the ones above were striations, "roller striations" am I right or not?
<< <i>I think what you see on the 14 p is from a dip in silver cleaner. THE LUSTER STAYS but the coin is made of nickel and copper (NOT SILVER). THE COIN HAS THE COPPER STREAKS COMING THROUGH THE NICKEL AFTER THE DIP.
If that's the case, then pcgs graded the 14-p ms-64. I guess it didn't hurt the grading process if it was dipped?
...if it were mine i would crack it.
thinking with the aid of the 1914 also pictured, my hunch is that both coins might have similar color but neither has "striations" and only one has been dipped. i suspect that the 1914-D has been dipped and poorly rinsed, now it has lost it's natural luster and toned somewhat. the 1914-P on the other hand exhibits what i have seen on Jefferson Nickels and always attributed to an improper alloy mix which causes the streaky look when the copper tones.
both are nice coins but only one has an original look to me, the 1914-D by comparison looks flat.
<< <i>Maybe this can help everyone that reads this thread: Plantchet Striations-are burnishing lines not struck away by the minting process that are incuse on the coins. A series of ridges or linear lines. I hope this helps! The 14d certainly has these striations.
Thanks Ed, that's good stuff
<< <i>luster is hard to judge from a picture. in the large picture i thought MS64 but the in-holder picture shows it being absent since there should have been a little "pop" if the coin had nice luster. that being said, i wonder where all the "I just love AU58's" guys are cause this is the sort of coin they love to talk about, only the grade is wrong-----a coin with nice detail but lacking in other grade defining areas.
thinking with the aid of the 1914 also pictured, my hunch is that both coins might have similar color but neither has "striations" and only one has been dipped. i suspect that the 1914-D has been dipped and poorly rinsed, now it has lost it's natural luster and toned somewhat. the 1914-P on the other hand exhibits what i have seen on Jefferson Nickels and always attributed to an improper alloy mix which causes the streaky look when the copper tones.
both are nice coins but only one has an original look to me, the 1914-D by comparison looks flat. >>
I agree the 14-D "looks" flat but I like to think it is " as David W. Lange puts it" ....Most 1914-d nickels have indifferent luster, though nice examples can be found. The Denver mint frequently used dies long after they became worn, and both flowlines and cracks are typical of it's products from the mid-1910 through the mid-1920s....This one looks more satiny than brilliant...
on the earlier issues of Buffalos. They are not roller marks.
R.I.P. Bear
<< <i>I agree with Keets on the 14-P. Those lines are improper alloy mix that shows often
on the earlier issues of Buffalos. They are not roller marks. >>
I also agree....
I'd crack it and send it in again. With my luck it would come back genuine.
It's still a beautiful Buffalo, regardless. Enjoy.
Lance.
i might consider that to be the case, but if they were in fact "unstruck planchet flaws" they wouldn't appear to follow the design contours and they wouldn't be visible in some fully struck areas of the design and they wouldn't be absent from some of the weakly struck areas. i only base this opinion on having seen the same thing on fully struck Jeffersons, but of course i could be wrong.
I think this coin falls into that category. The graders obviously saw something. It might be the hair on the front hip of the Buff, or maybe just a little rub on the cheek of the Indian.
When rub is present to the extent that a coin cannot be considered truly "uncirculated", it gets the dreaded 61 or 62 moniker.
I believe it to mean that doubt is there, but the wear is so insignificant that it becomes a borderline coin.
Your 14-D, if doubt was removed, would easily be no less than a 63, but I think it would have graded 64 minimum.
The coin stands on its' own merits.....it has a very bold "LIBERTY", which was lacking in detail on early Buffs.
It also has a nearly fully detailed knot.........that alone was lacking on a high percentage of 14-D specimens.
Most were shallow with little or no detail in the center.
I can't speak for the graders on this one, and I don't have it in hand to look at. Just the pic.
But I can say that without a doubt, I would include this coin in my collection.
My humble opinion, of course.
Pete
Tom Arch
a.k.a "The BUFFINATOR"
if coin looks dead, you will have a difficult time grading more than 62 here
might go GEM at NGC or ANACS
I thought planchet striations are different toning rates depending on copper/nickel ratios at that location on the sheet rolled out
so cape, you are saying they are burnishing lines? what are theu, not quite level planchett?
and you are saying they were visible like that when struck?
or the little valley rows tone differently than the mountain rows?
Well, I guess it's like this, I've never even heard of the word "striations" till someone used it on this board, I was just wondering what the heck it meant? Till now I thought they were streaking toned lines that went across the coin, mainly on "copper nickel" and kinda thought it was from the feed roller during the planchet punching process. But Keets idea of the copper nickel not mixing well seems to make sense to me....