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Need opinion on authenticity of 1795 $

JulianJulian Posts: 3,370 ✭✭✭
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A client sent me this and asked for my opinion. I told him that I would post it here for further examination.
Many thanx.
PNG member, numismatic dealer since 1965. Operates a retail store, also has exhibited at over 1000 shows.
I firmly believe in numismatics as the world's greatest hobby, but recognize that this is a luxury and without collectors, we can all spend/melt our collections/inventories.

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  • MadMartyMadMarty Posts: 16,697 ✭✭✭
    image
    It is not exactly cheating, I prefer to consider it creative problem solving!!!

  • dohdoh Posts: 6,457 ✭✭✭
    I don't like it....
    Positive BST transactions with: too many names to list! 36 at last count.
  • airplanenutairplanenut Posts: 22,389 ✭✭✭✭✭
    For what it's worth, that serial number doesn't match anything in the Heritage archive.
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  • coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭
    Without checking it against images of known-genuine examples, etc. .........at first glance, it looks very similar to a number of Chinese counterfeits I have seen. However, I think that the the spot to the left of "O" in "OF" on the reverse would be a departure from those counterfeits. I also strongly suspect that Julian already knows if the coin is good or not.image
  • Steve27Steve27 Posts: 13,275 ✭✭✭
    The slab bothers me, I can't find a pic of another one with the "S$1" I only see "$1" on other PCGS slabbed early dollars.

    Interesting, on ebay all are "$1" on Heritage most are "S$1."
    "It's far easier to fight for principles, than to live up to them." Adlai Stevenson
  • coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭


    << <i>The slab bothers me, I can't find a pic of another one with the "S$1" I only see "$1" on other PCGS slabbed early dollars. >>

    I looked in the Heritage archives and the second one of that date/type I saw had "S$1" on the label. But the coin still looks off to me.
  • dohdoh Posts: 6,457 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I looked in the Heritage archives and the second one of that date/type I saw had "S$1" on the label. >>



    Is there any way to search Heritage's archives by cert # or do you just have to look through the past auctions at each holder?

    (Hey, 6000th post, cool)
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  • jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 10,609 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Congratulations, doh, on your 6000th post. Just send me the coin in question for being first to congratulate you. Seriously, great job.
    Jim

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  • lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,893 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Here's one for comparison.
    Lance.

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  • airplanenutairplanenut Posts: 22,389 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If the change in the plastic outlining the holder (what is normally just on the corners of a genuine slab) is in-hand as it appears in the photo, then the slab is no good.
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  • JulianJulian Posts: 3,370 ✭✭✭
    Many thanx for your thoughts. Without the coin in hand, I was suspicious of the coin, but could not condemn it. I will suggest that he send the scan to PCGS for verification.
    PNG member, numismatic dealer since 1965. Operates a retail store, also has exhibited at over 1000 shows.
    I firmly believe in numismatics as the world's greatest hobby, but recognize that this is a luxury and without collectors, we can all spend/melt our collections/inventories.

    eBaystore
  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,306 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The holder gives me cause for pause.
    John
    Keeper of the VAM Catalog • Professional Coin Imaging • Prime Number Set • World Coins in Early America • British Trade Dollars • Variety Attribution
  • COALPORTERCOALPORTER Posts: 2,900 ✭✭
    I do not think the reverse hologram is correct for the front label.
    (and it looks like a fake one at that)
    The rev. hologram should be the one with a PNG logo not the NASDAQ:CLCT (that is what they use now) .

    All the slabs I have that read "Series, Coin" have the PNG logo on the back. Can anyone concur? image
  • IrishMikeyIrishMikey Posts: 1,561 ✭✭✭
    Looks like the Chinese counterfeit. Check for a small depression to the right of the base of the '5'
    in the date, as well as two depressions on the throat towards the front. Many of these also show a
    depressed line arcing from the eagle's wing to the right side of the eagle's head.
  • RampageRampage Posts: 9,512 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Actually, I don't like the look of it at all. The coin looks to be too perfectly round and centered for a coin of that era. Needless to say, I could always be incorrect in my judgement.
  • braddickbraddick Posts: 24,818 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm convinced the coin and the slab are counterfeit/fake.

    peacockcoins

  • coinkid855coinkid855 Posts: 5,012 ✭✭✭
    The coin's wrong, the slab's wrong, the font is wrong. It's FAKE. 100%.


    Here's a photo of a fake slab. Notice the piece of plastic that you can see in the middle of the slab on the left and right side. The same thing can be seen on this slab.

    image



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  • rooksmithrooksmith Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭✭
    The uniform toning suggest a counterfeight. I'm no expert.
    “When you don't know what you're talking about, it's hard to know when you're finished.” - Tommy Smothers
  • rooksmithrooksmith Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭✭
    On the original photo of course..

    Great thread on conterfeighting - keep it up!
    “When you don't know what you're talking about, it's hard to know when you're finished.” - Tommy Smothers
  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 35,884 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>The coin's wrong, the slab's wrong, the font is wrong. It's FAKE. 100%.


    Here's a photo of a fake slab. Notice the piece of plastic that you can see in the middle of the slab on the left and right side. The same thing can be seen on this slab.

    image >>





    Obviously I'm a newbie, but I must say the "stack points" in the middle on the "suspect slab" bear a strong resemblance to the fake one in the above comparison.
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