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1971 D Type 2 Kennedy Rim Question (81 P Pics Added)

Could someone let me know the terminology for what is going
on with the rim on this Kennedy? so I can get her labeled and stored.
I know that I have seen this before and I have searched through
a few hundred old Kennedy threads and no luck
Just can't recall the nameimage

Thank You

Stew

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Comments

  • sinin1sinin1 Posts: 7,500
    almost looks like machine doubling

    what makes it a type 2?
  • LindeDadLindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looks like coin counter damage to me.


  • << <i>what makes it a type 2? >>



    The Pick Up Points for the Type 2 are the "7" in the date has a wider horizontal bar than the thinner Type 1

    The tips of the serifs on the "T" of Liberty have splits on the ends indicating doubling.
    (This one in particular has split on the upper right serif of the "I" of Liberty)

    The locks of hair coming up below the "R" of Liberty do not cover the right leg of the "R" in Liberty
    But does on the Type 1

    I was wondering about the serrations on the top edge like they got pressed into the top as well as the edge of the coin????

    Stew
  • <<<< what makes it a type 2? >>



    The Pick Up Points for the Type 2 are the "7" in the date has a wider horizontal bar than the thinner Type 1

    The tips of the serifs on the "T" of Liberty have splits on the ends indicating doubling.
    (This one in particular has split on the upper right serif of the "I" of Liberty)

    The locks of hair coming up below the "R" of Liberty do not cover the right leg of the "R" in Liberty
    But does on the Type 1

    I was wondering about the serrations on the top edge like they got pressed into the top as well as the edge of the coin????

    Stew>>

    I didn't know folk still paid attention to these types 1 and 2. It also sounds like you have been reading my writings of almost 40 years ago.

    These have a slight mention in Breen's encyclopedia, but he doesn't give them a separate number. I suspect I got the information to him after he assigned his numbers and he wasn't about to renumber the rest of the book. I now suspect something happened to the type 1 master and it was hastily replaced by a type 2 master. In 1973 the design reverted back to type 1 except they kept the new "7". I now would describe the type 1 "7" as having intersecting bars at the top end of the "7". The type 2 I would desribe as a serif.

  • I didn't know folk still paid attention to these types 1 and 2. It also sounds like you have been reading my writings of almost 40 years ago

    Mr. Hicks,

    You are absolutely right. when tying to search down what the die process name (Error in minting)is that causes those serrations on the obverse edge. A while back I ran across an old thread where you described diagnostics for the type one and type two 71 D Kennedy's.
    I found it very interesting and have since found one type 1 and three type 2's in my own halves. I have always had a greater interest in the
    coins of 1971 and 1972 due to the large amount of Eisenhower varieties in those two years and I find myself looking at all denominations
    from those two years with a little bit more interest.

    Thank You

    Stew
  • The 1971 half varieties remind me of the 1951-1952 quarter obverse varieties. There the new and temporary variety had the unusual flaws of a dimple in the cross bar of N of IGWT (quickly wore off in circulation) and the T cross bar intruded into the R space which was a bit shaved to accomodate it. Again there was master die doubling.
  • RWBRWB Posts: 8,082
    What was the casue of the rim indentations in the top photo?


  • << <i>What was the cause of the rim indentations in the top photo? >>



    That is what I was trying to figure out. I also have a
    1981 P Kennedy half with the same thing on the rim

    Stew
  • RWBRWB Posts: 8,082
    Anyone have some ideas?
  • Here are some quick shots of the 1981 P Kennedy specimen

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    Thanks

    Stew
  • Aegis3Aegis3 Posts: 2,915 ✭✭✭
    Probably a collar clash: the obverse die hit the side of the collar.
    --

    Ed. S.

    (EJS)
  • … Posts: 958 ✭✭✭
    yes, collar clash. it also occurs on peace dollars and some other series.
  • Thank You Guysimage

    I was having a hard time remembering what that was called
    I knew I had seen it before

    Thanks

    Stew
  • RWBRWB Posts: 8,082
    If the die hit the collar it would leave indentations in the die, and raised marks on the coin. These look incuse based on the photos.

    Stew, are they raised or incuse?
  • RWB,

    The marks are raised above the obverse of the rim

    Sorry for the shot's should have taken them at an
    angle instead of straight on.
    I looked at the pictures after your last post
    and see where they pictures could make them look incuse

    Thanks

    Stew
  • RWBRWB Posts: 8,082
    Thanks! Then a "collar clash" is the likely cause.

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