How does PCGS view the toning induced by the NGC fatties?

bushmaster8 · March 16, 2010 11:41PM

I know much would likely depend on just how the toning looks on any particular coin, but in general:

Is the gold/violet/blue that is often imparted by the old NGC holders considered positive, neutral, or negative?

blu62vette · March 16, 2010 11:54PM

I have had toned fatties cross and not cross. The ones that did not cross were grade, not toning for the decline.

fivecents · March 16, 2010 11:56PM

PCGS seems to love them.imo

I cracked out and submitted a NGC fatty MS63 standing liberty 25c. It had GORGEOUS purple toning around the rims reaching toward the center of the coin. PCGS graded it MS65FH.

In my opinion the coin had truely upgraded in the NGC fatty holder due to the eye apealing toning covering booming luster.

seateddime · March 17, 2010 12:20AM

The wild colors on the NGC fatties I have purchased are all keepers in my small set.

PawPaul · March 17, 2010 12:20AM

I was not aware that the NGC fatty holders toned a brilliant coin -

is this for sure ? common knowledge ??

from the insert ?

coinguy1 · March 17, 2010 12:24AM

Based on what I see in PCGS holders, my feeling is that PCGS does not look upon such toning as a negative. So, I think it is a neutral or a positive, depending upon the particular coin (and look) in question.

fivecents · March 17, 2010 12:45AM

<< is this for sure ? common knowledge ?? >>

Yes it is.

Only the old NGC holders with no seperation line between the label and the coin tend to tone coins over time. NGC added the seperation line later on to prevent the toning.

Also the old green label PCI holders tone coins even faster and more intensely than the old NGC no line fattie holders.

kryptonitecomics · March 17, 2010 12:55AM

Yes I agree...common knowledge and they do not bag the coins for that type of toning.

PawPaul · March 17, 2010 1:15AM

wow ..........an open mind can learn something new every day !

Barndog · March 17, 2010 1:21AM

any truth to the rumor that CAC does not consider coins with toning induced by the subject holders to be "stickerable"?

lcoopie · March 17, 2010 2:23AM

do you have an example for us?

Justacommeman · March 17, 2010 2:43AM

<any truth to the rumor that CAC does not consider coins with toning induced by the subject holders to be "stickerable"? >
I have no idea if CAC considered this simple mint set toning or Fattie toning

But, this does reside in a NGC fattie holder and is stickered. 67. MJ

coinguy1 · March 17, 2010 2:45AM

<< This resides in a NGC fattie holder and is stickered. 67. MJ

>>

That's a beautiful coin. But I don't think that is the type/colors/pattern of toning that the OP was asking about.

lcoopie · March 17, 2010 2:48AM

I've also seen coins which were said to be toned from their stay in an
ANACS holder, and I wonder if anyone has an example of this as well?

Justacommeman · March 17, 2010 2:51AM

<< But I don't think that is the type/colors/pattern of toning that the OP was asking about>>

I didn't think so, but wasn't sure. I'll admit that I'm intriqued by this topic and I'm NGC fattie toning illiterate. Show me the light!

MJ

Lewy · March 17, 2010 2:57AM

Very interesting stuff. Added to my memory bank effective right now. Thanks!

yellowkid · March 17, 2010 2:59AM

<< Very interesting stuff. Added to my memory bank effective right now. Thanks! >>

I did not know that!

blu62vette · March 17, 2010 8:44AM

<< any truth to the rumor that CAC does not consider coins with toning induced by the subject holders to be "stickerable"? >>

This one is now stickered.

segoja · March 17, 2010 9:16AM

Check out any proof franklin from that time period in an NCG Fatty holder....they all tone

Also old Anacs holders do the same thing. I complained years ago, but "their research" proved that it could not have been thier holder...BS. I just quit submitted coins to ANACS.

SUMORADA · March 17, 2010 9:29AM

<< Very interesting stuff. Added to my memory bank effective right now. Thanks! >>

fivecents · March 17, 2010 10:13AM

Yep. The older small white ANACS and even smaller ANA holders also tone coins.........beautifully!!!

JRocco · March 17, 2010 10:48AM

Some fatties. like this one, just keeps getting wilder and wilder

MERLINDAMADONE · March 17, 2010 11:05AM

I don't think it boils down to the toning of the coin in the older holders.

I firmly believe it comes to how much you spent for grading said coin to come back in a PCGS holder.

ask those that have the CAC's in NGC holders that tried a crossover- did they get the "full monty"?

I know of someone who submitted a 'few' old NGC and Anacs in the slab coins to cross and he got a return ticket
along with a check for attribution fee.

sadly he sent them in under a cheaper service which he could do according to both grade and value..

its all about the money..

he who pays is allowed to play..

camera28 · March 21, 2010 5:52AM

It's too bad my 1873 25c in PR62 NGC isn't in a fattie. That coin was in route to me when 911 and the Brentwood anthrax attack occurred. All mail coming to ground zero (DC government office building zip codes) was rerouted to an undisclosed location in Ohio, I believe. Everything that could fit into the device was sent through an irradiation beam, including my coin. When I bought it, it was stark white, maybe slightly golden in tone, but not the lovely (and uniform) aquamarine that it has turned to. The holder plastic has yellowed and the label is a tad discolored, too. Worst case scenario is that it is now a true piece of history.

I prefer PCGS slabs for their best design that detracts the least from the coin inside. I wonder if I should try to cross this puppy.

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Edscoin · March 21, 2010 10:56AM

<< I've also seen coins which were said to be toned from their stay in an
ANACS holder, and I wonder if anyone has an example of this as well? >>

Heres one. They tend to get a purpe tone around the edges.

rooksmith · March 21, 2010 11:03AM

in my view - toning is overrated since most of it is artificial. But what do I know ???

PCcoins · March 21, 2010 11:05AM

I don't believe the few coins posted above toned in their holders. I believe the OP is referring to coins that were blast white when sent in for grading, and over many years some coins would develop a light blue/purple/yellow toning that was usually just around the periphery.

How does PCGS view the toning induced by the NGC fatties?

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