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Jefferson find at local show today!

BigDowgieBigDowgie Posts: 1,780 ✭✭✭✭
This is exactly why I love small local shows. The dealers bring their 2x2's and you can sit, look, talk and not feel rushed. Every now and then, you get to pull a gem like this for a few bucks!

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Happy Hunting
Dowgie

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  • RobbRobb Posts: 2,034
    Very nice find. image
    imageRIP
  • EdscoinEdscoin Posts: 2,028 ✭✭✭
    WOW! Nice cherry pick BigDowgie.
    ED
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  • RayboRaybo Posts: 5,342 ✭✭✭✭✭
    How did the dealer miss this one?
    I can see it plain as day!

    VERY nice pick BD! image
  • cladkingcladking Posts: 28,750 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nice. That's not an easy one.
    tempus fugit extra philosophiam.
  • BigDowgieBigDowgie Posts: 1,780 ✭✭✭✭
    Not sure how this one was missed, but who am I to ponder this too long! This is one of the major varieties and the dealers usually get this one. I could not capture, but the coin has a really nice even orange-pink peripheral toning. I'm surprised one of those "Toners" didn't pull it just for this? I know at least one other Jefferson collector looked through before I got there. I'll break it to him gently.

    Dowgie
  • badgerbadger Posts: 1,217 ✭✭✭
    Super. I like the varieties that you can see with the naked eye. Great example.

    Dave
    Collector of Modern Silver Proofs 1950-1964 -- PCGS Registry as Elite Cameo

    Link to 1950 - 1964 Proof Registry Set
    1938 - 1964 Proof Jeffersons w/ Varieties
  • RayboRaybo Posts: 5,342 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Super. I like the varieties that you can see with the naked eye. Great example.

    Dave >>



    Exactly!

    There is no question about this coin, I can tell from the first image of the reverse that the mm looks different (I can even see the "S" in the first image)
  • ArizonaJackArizonaJack Posts: 4,029 ✭✭✭
    Super nice find !! SInce taking in 2 gem sets in Danscos on a trade, I have really started to appreciate the Jeffys and am actively working on upgrades.
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  • WoodenJeffersonWoodenJefferson Posts: 6,491 ✭✭✭✭
    BINGO!
    Chat Board Lingo

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  • leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,492 ✭✭✭✭✭
    You lucky dog! (No pun intended)


    Leo

    The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!

    My Jefferson Nickel Collection

  • GRANDAMGRANDAM Posts: 8,774 ✭✭✭✭✭
    image Big Dog image

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    GrandAm image

    " I know at least one other Jefferson collector looked through before I got there. I'll break it to him gently."

    Poor Allan image
    GrandAm :)
  • BigDowgieBigDowgie Posts: 1,780 ✭✭✭✭
    GRANDAM - Welcome back!

    I am a lucky dowg.

    For those that did not know, dowg is southern for dog and to pronounce it correctly, should take about three seconds to say!
  • leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,492 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Once had a neighbor who named his dog......dog! It was hilarious watching and listening to this guy yelling for Dog to come home. One time I asked what the name of his dog was and he replied, "it's a dog, his name is dog. I'm not going to stand out on the deck and yell some other name, it's a f***** dog man!"

    Made sense to me!


    Leo

    The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!

    My Jefferson Nickel Collection

  • sinin1sinin1 Posts: 7,500
    thats nice but what is it ?


    it looks different than Cherrypickers pic of the D/S

    coneca only lists 1 variety for the OMM with different markers
  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 29,332 ✭✭✭✭✭
    way cool find. every once and a while you do get lucky image
  • Super Duper Cool Pick up! Congrats on the sharp eye! image
    Lurker since '02. Got the seven year itch!

    Gary
  • Type2Type2 Posts: 13,985 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nice picking.

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    Hoard the keys.
  • BigDowgieBigDowgie Posts: 1,780 ✭✭✭✭
    it looks different than Cherrypickers pic of the D/S

    Sinin1 - I agree the actual D/S does look a bit different that Cherry Pickers. However, let's look at the other die markers in CP and even the Corso example. Frank, as always, great pictures! It is amazing how a little different light angle and/or intensity can make a picture look quite different. This picture picks up some interesting die scratches.

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    Notice the similar die scratches coming off the porch steps into the open field. Both the Corso and CP examples have these scratches. The biggest similarity is the Die scratch coming from the top of the mint mark heading up at 1:00. This is identicle to the Corso example. It does not show up in the CP example.

    In my second picture, it looks like there are multiple D's there as well? This could make a great mint mark study for the 1949-D/S variety?

    Dowgie
  • FullStepJeffsFullStepJeffs Posts: 1,874 ✭✭✭
    Congrats Dog!

    Whatcha think it's gonna grade?

    64 or 65?

    Steve
    U.S. Air Force Security Forces Retired

    In memory of the USAF Security Forces lost: A1C Elizabeth N. Jacobson, 9/28/05; SSgt Brian McElroy, 1/22/06; TSgt Jason Norton, 1/22/06; A1C Lee Chavis, 10/14/06; SSgt John Self, 5/14/07; A1C Jason Nathan, 6/23/07; SSgt Travis Griffin, 4/3/08; 1Lt Joseph Helton, 9/8/09; SrA Nicholas J. Alden, 3/3/2011. God Bless them and all those who have lost loved ones in this war. I will never forget their loss.
  • BigDowgieBigDowgie Posts: 1,780 ✭✭✭✭
    Results are in.......MS66.

    Sweeeeeet!
  • dtkk49adtkk49a Posts: 2,490 ✭✭✭
    Sweet ! Congrats !
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  • bolivarshagnastybolivarshagnasty Posts: 7,353 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Congratulations Mike!! Nice visiting with you this evening. Shag
  • rooksmithrooksmith Posts: 1,112 ✭✭✭✭
    you DOG !image
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    I love Jeffersons.

    WE NEED a thread about rare varieties such as "D over S".

    How rare are they?

    Any cherry pickers out there with the STATS?
    “When you don't know what you're talking about, it's hard to know when you're finished.” - Tommy Smothers
  • leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,492 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Results are in.......MS66.

    Sweeeeeet! >>



    However great a find this is, and it is but would you agree that the strike is of a LDS nature? Looks like some hair and a few of the windows are soft in detail!

    Leo

    The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!

    My Jefferson Nickel Collection

  • 19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,492 ✭✭✭✭
    WOW!

    (Take about 3 seconds to say!)
    I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.



    The name is LEE!
  • jmski52jmski52 Posts: 23,287 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Since I haven't collected Jeffersons for years, I wouldn't have even thought to look for the overdate. Congrats! How could the dealer miss that? Easy, the rewards go to the ones with the knowledge.image
    Q: Are You Printing Money? Bernanke: Not Literally

    I knew it would happen.
  • kazkaz Posts: 9,280 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Daaawwwgggg, you Suuuuuuuccckkkkk!!!!!


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  • BarbercoinBarbercoin Posts: 1,035 ✭✭✭
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    WTB: Barber Quarters XF

  • keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
    How did the dealer miss this one?
    I can see it plain as day!


    well, sometimes dealers have employees who don't know a '49-D/S Jefferson from an '01-S Barber Quarter!! image

    Since I haven't collected Jeffersons for years, I wouldn't have even thought to look for the overdate.

    every following date needs to receive at least a cursory glance lest you regret it later.
    1939-P/D/S and all Proofs.
    1940 Proofs.
    1941-S.
    1942.
    1942-D.
    1943-P.
    1945-P.
    1946-D.
    1949-D.
    1950.
    1954-D.
    1955-D.
    all 1950-1959 Proofs.
    1971-S Proofs.
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  • keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Notice the similar die scratches coming off the porch steps into the open field. Both the Corso and CP examples have these scratches. The biggest similarity is the Die scratch coming from the top of the mint mark heading up at 1:00. This is identicle to the Corso example. It does not show up in the CP example.

    there are "tool marks" and "die scratches" on this variety. the "tool marks" are clearly visible on the OP coin at the top right of the balcony, should be visible on every D/S and are a reliable marker. the "die scratches" are another anomaly altogether. those seen at the MM and just below it are especially prominent on EDS coins, fading with each successive strike till they become almost imperceptible on LDS coins. i assume they are the result of polishing at the MM.

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  • BigDowgieBigDowgie Posts: 1,780 ✭✭✭✭
    Ok keets, you got me scratching my head on one of your dates, 1950? What have I not been looking for all these years, other than full steppers, of course?

    Great observation/information on the tool marks verses die scratches. Most interesting comment was on die state determination. On my MS65 sample, you can hardly see these die scratches, but the tool marks you noted have not been as impacted. On the MS66, these die scratches jump out at you. I think it is assumed there was only one D/S die (correct?), this would infer the MS66 was produced way ahead of the MS65. This explanation spells out the answer to Leo's question on LSD of the MS66. I would now respond no, not a LDS, but possibly a softer struck coin to be lacking those details. Maybe the working die did not possess the sharply defined details we typically attribute to an EDS coin?

    Dowgie
  • SUMORADASUMORADA Posts: 4,797

    BigDowgie

    Congrats......image
  • keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Dowgie, if i follow your thinking correctly i'd say that the grade isn't necessarily determined by die state and that the clarity of the scratches isn't necessarily determined by strength of strike. my understanding is that the "die scratches" near the MM would have worn to nearly nothing from EDS-LDS but that the "tool marks" would still be clearly visible on all coins struck from the die. the "tool marks" were just deeper into the working die, so they remained, while the "die scratches" were lighter, more superficial and easily worn away.

    1950-----just a date that's tough in true FS grades, the ignored step-sister of the vaunted 1950-D.
  • BigDowgieBigDowgie Posts: 1,780 ✭✭✭✭
    keets,

    I wasn't implying the grade was determined by die state. In using the two coins as reference, the MS66 just happens to be an earlier die state based on your observation about the die scratches.

    Thanks
  • GrivGriv Posts: 2,804
    With zero (or next to) Modern Eagles to collect, the Mint has really broken my heart. On the other hand, I was finally able to take my wife on a decent vacation.

    I do have to say that even though the Jefferson Nickels don't get a lot of respect, I think they are an awesome series with some of the most awesome natural toning.

    It seems to have enough varieties keep your interest but not so many like the Morgans (but the NT rainbow toning is the best) that you have to have 300 versions of the same year/mint mark. Sort of like the modern President UNC sets.

    Anyway, my point is GREAT PICK UP. Go Jeffies!
  • GrumpyEdGrumpyEd Posts: 4,749 ✭✭✭
    Sweet variety and a 66 to boot!

    Good job!!!!!!! image
    Ed
  • stephunterstephunter Posts: 2,324 ✭✭✭
    Congrats nice find!
  • holeinone1972holeinone1972 Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭
    So what's it worth?

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  • BigDowgieBigDowgie Posts: 1,780 ✭✭✭✭
    Recent autions have this one in the $650 to $750 range. However, it won't be parting from my set for quite a long time!

    By the way, I'm still waiting for my hole-in-one!
  • holeinone1972holeinone1972 Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Recent autions have this one in the $650 to $750 range. However, it won't be parting from my set for quite a long time!

    By the way, I'm still waiting for my hole-in-one! >>



    Wow Congrats!
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  • alohagaryalohagary Posts: 2,831 ✭✭✭✭
    wow, great find

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