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21 Walker: counterfeit?

LRCTomLRCTom Posts: 857 ✭✭✭
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I wouldn't touch it

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  • guitarwesguitarwes Posts: 9,299 ✭✭✭

    yeah, just don't look 'zactly right.

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  • phehpheh Posts: 1,588 ✭
    I'd touch it long enough to chuck it into the junk box.
  • tjkilliantjkillian Posts: 5,578 ✭✭✭
    The centers have too little wear compared to the rim area. i.e. impossible wear pattern.

    I don't like it, although I do not collect that series.
    Tom

  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,992 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Not my series, but it would fool me. What do you see that is unusual?
    Looks like a nice worn example.
    Educate me ,or us, as I'm not the only one that wouldn't be able to tell from a pic.
    bob
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  • TomBTomB Posts: 22,354 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Not my series, but it would fool me. What do you see that is unusual?
    Looks like a nice worn example.
    Educate me ,or us, as I'm not the only one that wouldn't be able to tell from a pic.
    bob >>


    Absolutely fake from what I can see in the image. As has been stated, the wear pattern is not typical of what one would expect on this series. The rims, peripheral lettering, motto and date are all very strong and show little or no wear while the central parts of the obverse and reverse are heavily worn so that no detail is remaining. This is not typical of a worn WLH. Also, I don't believe the piece is worn at all, but believe it is as struck in order to fool a collector. Lastly, the style of the letters and numbers does not appear consistent with a genuine piece and comparison of images of authentic 1921 WLHs would likely confirm it is a fake.
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  • phehpheh Posts: 1,588 ✭


    << <i>Not my series, but it would fool me. What do you see that is unusual?
    Looks like a nice worn example.
    Educate me ,or us, as I'm not the only one that wouldn't be able to tell from a pic.
    bob >>



    For starters, the date is completely wrong... The base of the two bulges down, it should be flat. The nine curls into itself way too far.

    While there are other anomalies on the coin even the wear pattern should make most numismatists, not familiar with the series, suspect of the coin.
  • LindeDadLindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That thing looks like a piece of pot metal.
    I have a seated half around here somewhere that I got from Portugal that looks like that.
    And notice the seller really doesn't know coins but knows it is a rare date and does not take returns.

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  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,805 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Possibly a contemporary counterfeit - the 'pot metal' comment got me thinking that. I have a 1919 cont. count. with a similar appearance to this, but more detail. Some years back I recall someone selling off a number of different dates that he had collected over a long period of time - I do not recall seeing a 1921 though - they were all from the teens.
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  • coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭
    What do you folks think about the seller's 1916-D dime here?
  • PTVETTERPTVETTER Posts: 6,046 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The color could be ok in hand, but some of the marks on the coin look unnatural. Like they were make on purpose.
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  • lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,894 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Here is a PCGS 1921 in a comparable state of wear (VG10), for reference. What bothers me about the auction coin is the crispness, or lack of wear, in the date, the top of HALF DOLLAR, motto, and rims, especially on the reverse.

    The bag hits seem extreme and artificial for a coin that would otherwise have had smooth wear.
    Lance.

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  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,461 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The reverse looks very strange, with rather erratic lettering. As for the dime, it's long been said that more fake 1916-Ds survive than authentic ones, since that was first said, TPGs came along and took many of the real 1916-Ds out of the raw population, skewing it even more in favor of the fakes. So whereas in 1985 buying a 1916-D dime from an unknown seller with no reputation and a crappy picture was like playing Russian Roulette with 4 bullets in the cylinder, today it's like playing with 5.
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  • yellowjacketyellowjacket Posts: 1,809 ✭
    Quite fake for the reasons everyone has stated. There have been some good points made here.

    As for the 16-D dime, why would anyone buy an uncertified one from a stranger?
    Garrow

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  • LRCTomLRCTom Posts: 857 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Possibly a contemporary counterfeit - the 'pot metal' comment got me thinking that. >>



    That's what I was wondering also. It's clearly fake, but it doesn't look like a current Chinese counterfeit. A contemporary counterfeit might explain it.

    I sent the seller a message and also reported the auction to ebay. We'll see.

    ...Tom

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  • jmski52jmski52 Posts: 23,477 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Even I could spot that pos from a good distance.image
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  • cmerlo1cmerlo1 Posts: 7,978 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>What do you folks think about the seller's 1916-D dime here? >>



    I'm certainly not an expert, but I'm going to venture an educated guess that the 16-D is genuine, though I'd never consider bidding on it...
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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 33,067 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Possibly a contemporary counterfeit - the 'pot metal' comment got me thinking that. >>



    That's what I was wondering also. It's clearly fake, but it doesn't look like a current Chinese counterfeit. A contemporary counterfeit might explain it.

    I sent the seller a message and also reported the auction to ebay. We'll see.

    ...Tom >>



    I agree. Definitely fake, but could be contemporary.
    TD
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  • stev32kstev32k Posts: 2,098 ✭✭✭
    I am Leary of any coin worth more than $200 or $300 that is not in a TPG holder. Would not consider buying either one of them raw.
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  • IrishMikeyIrishMikey Posts: 1,561 ✭✭✭
    The 1921 half dollar is a hand-cut dies fake. No idea when it was made, although it does not look like a recent import from China.

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